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Should I say something

15 replies

Twizbe · 07/05/2022 16:10

I'm usually one to keep out of other people's relationships, but a good friend of mine has got into a potentially bad situation and I'm trying to decide if I should say anything.

For context she recently ended her marriage. They were together for almost 20 years and have 2 late primary kids, one with ASD. Her ex is a nice man but I've never thought he was the one for her. I never said anything though because ultimately it wasn't my business and he's a good man. I knew he'd never hurt her and that if it ended it would be her choice.

Quite soon after her married ended she met a new bloke and started dating him. They've been together about 6 months now. The red flags are really starting to mount and I think she can see them too. She's mentioned a few times that she's not happy with some behaviour but then he gaslights her / love bombs her again and she stays.

I'm really trying to decide if I say something or not. I worry she won't appreciate it or worse she tells him and he tries to cut her off from people. Unlike with her marriage though, this man isn't nice and I fear if she sticks around too long then she'll be stuck.

WWYD?

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Mintchocicechip · 07/05/2022 17:09

I've just been in this situation. Split from my children's dad. Got with a new man. He abused me emotionally and financially. Whether he meant to I don't know.

What you 100% need to do is simply be there. Talk to her. Point out things that are not right. But tell her you'll always be there. Always in her side. Make sure she knows she can talk to you at all times.

I had two friends probably rubbing their heads in frustration with me but they listened and kept their mouths shut everytime I went back. When I was done they kept encouraging me not to go back and told me they were relieved. They now keep an eye on me (I'm 4 weeks out now)

What red flags do you see?

Aquamarine1029 · 07/05/2022 17:11

If she's a good friend I would tell her exactly how you feel and what your concerns are.

smallbirdwidesky · 07/05/2022 17:14

I would tell her your observations and opinions on this man. I really wish my friends had done this for me and clearly told me they didn't think I should stay with him. Sometimes you really need that outside opinion to give you the strength to believe your own developing view.

MargotMoon · 07/05/2022 18:16

Tell her and be prepared for her not to listen. Then just be there for her when she needs you

CordeliaLOVEScocktails · 07/05/2022 18:20

Say something.

Because if it was me I'd want my friends to reach out.

I've just come out an unhealthy 20yr relationship and so many have now said they could see stuff. Bad stuff. But never said anything. Ever.

In fact when I ended it some trued to tell me I was happy. In love. But I was frightened and controlled. Just a good actress.

So I kept going thinking it was normal. My life. The gas lighting. The abusive behaviour the control. The punishments. The silent treatment. No life at all for anyone to live like that.

Please help your friend.

Attwoodsladyfriend · 07/05/2022 18:23

What are you worried about exactly?

I would want to know.

PumpkinsandKittens · 07/05/2022 18:34

I find it pointless, I told my sister what I thought of her relationship with an abusive man and she stopped speaking to me for 6 weeks, you can say something just be prepared for her not to listen/ care

Mintchocicechip · 08/05/2022 09:12

It's about listening. Not about pointing out. If my friends said my ex was a dick and I was an idiot for going back I'd have been hurt and defensive. Because when you are being abused you love your abuser. You are confused because they keep changing. It's like being thrown from one wall to the other all time time. My head was screwed because he's drip feed crap into my head so slowly that you don't really notice. My ex would do allsorts of mine games.

He would say things like

"Mums put their lives on hold" (I'm a mum of two small kids)

You look lovely today sweetheart. I like that colour. Better than that black pair you wear (compliment followed by insult)

Why don't you ever curl your hair? (I straighten my hair and his ex used to sometimes curl hers)

You have no confidence sweetheart. I don't mean to sound patronising but I feel like you've never experienced food and going out properly. (In the 18 months I knew him he never took me out or went anywhere himself. Although he did with his ex but he's now in debt and can't afford to live)

He'd say women were messaging him and getting the wrong idea.
He'd say his ex had messaged and we'd jealous of me. But he'd then defend her if I said she was childish etc.

He would torment me with other women. His Facebook had all his brothers exes and his ex wife's sister etc. He messaged all these women. Almost like he was trying to prove he could have what his enemies/cut off family members had.

He'd say he wasn't materialistic but was obsessed with certain brands and made me feel I had to buy certain clothes and look the part. Timberland boots. Expensive jumpers. Whilst suggesting colours he'd prefer me in!

He controlled me through sex. Made out women had traumatised him in the past with oral sex and claimed he hated it. Then months into our relationship he was digging at me because I never gave him one. He would be fine during sex then make me feel bad after. I remember once him complaining that I had held his hands and he felt trapped. Not once did he tell me or ask me to stop. I was being gentle and certainly not kinky. Made me feel ashamed.

He was constantly talked about his last relationship. Bitter. Jealous. Bitchy. Yet he still was texting her. Loads of mind games.

He had met a woman off tinder during the time we was messaging and ditched me for 6 weeks whilst he got involved with her. He kept her on his Facebook then got back in touch with me.

He had messed another woman around and triangulated her with his ex.

He always needed money. Never paid it back. Always lost money. Always had a story. Never seemed to manage financially. Owed loads of debt.

He started screaming at me. Banning me from talking. Swearing at me. Calling me a c u n t. Kicking me out all times of the day and night. To walk home alone. With my bags. He never checked I got back safe even though we'd argued. He was horrible to me. He left me in danger more than once.

Bur in between all this he's cooking. Planning a future. Making promises. Commenting positively on me. Telling me I'm the nicest supportive person he's ever had.

The minute I didn't trust something or needed to know something he would absolutely turn. In the end he was saying he felt uncomfortable around me and was always waiting for me to kick off about something.

The relationship was horrible and damaging yet I strongly loved him and felt he was also into me.

If your friend is going through this don't give her a hard time. Agree with her. Point stuff out. Listen. Be there. Tell her yo promise you she will always tell you what's happening. Then she knows she can sound off.

If you think its physical then perhaps you need to try talk to her family ? It's horrible but just be there.

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something2say · 08/05/2022 10:51

I too say, say something.

I had a foolish costly relationship that wasted heart, time and money. My work colleague saw me through all of it, encouraging me on the way. When it ended, she came out and said she'd been worried. I was analysing my behaviour at the time and wished she'd have said something. Why was I so insistent? Why was I battling the problems when it clearly was a stupid idea?

I wish one if my friends had sat me down and had it out with me.

Orgasmagorical · 08/05/2022 10:59

Try asking her questions rather than telling her what you think. For example, if she says not happy with something ask her why she thinks he does it or how she thinks he benefits from that behaviour. And how it affects her, more importantly. Good luck.

Rainbowshine · 08/05/2022 11:03

Rather than say your concerns to her, could you get her to talk about it and come to that conclusion herself? Use active listening tactics and saying back to her what you’ve heard. It sounds a bit artificial written down but basically get her to do most of the talking and repeating what she says. Maybe offer to be a safe place to come to if she’s ever worried. Avoid giving your opinion or advice on what to do, instead what does she think, what does she want to do.

Twizbe · 09/05/2022 11:53

Thanks all, you've confirmed what I thought really.

I will continue to listen to her and I like the idea of asking questions to help her realise what a knob he is.

In terms of what he's done. I don't want to be too outing in case friend sees this. He seems to be cycling between love bombing, messaging an ex and gaslighting her over that. I've also got some concerns over having a child of his taken into care. He's presented this as him being the victim and of course child's mother is 'crazy'.

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anotherscroller · 09/05/2022 11:57

I recommend trying to get her to see a therapist.
in this situation, I had a great friend who listened (didn’t tell me what to do or judge the guy, or judge me every time I went back to him). Eventually, thanks to her listening, I decided to go to free counselling at a woman’s shelter. It changed my life and I managed to safely leave him for good about two months later.
she will always be my hero (the friend). Everyone else drifted away because I was always bringing my drunk and chaotic boyfriend to things.

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