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When pregnant my partner used adult work and messaged prostitutes...

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cbrenx · 04/05/2022 19:20

A really long one here but if you do manage to read I’d really appreciate it.

Last month I found out my partner, had messaged an escort asking about one of her services. I only found out because an email popped up on his phone when we were sat together that said payment made to adult work. I asked him to own up to what he was doing on this website (adult work) and he told me it was for tokens and to watch porn. I had a baby six months ago and we’d had sex once since she was born. But all week leading up to this message he knew I was prepping to get ‘intimate’ again after the baby, however in that same week I’d been suffering with my mental health a great deal as I’d just found out my other child is going to be assessed for autism, my mum ended up in hospital, I’d also just found out I am a high risk for cervical cancer and I’d just ended up being a nightmare to be around and irate and taking everything out on him. He was being so distant though, hardly wanting to discuss my feelings about what was getting me down and sleeping on the sofa some nights and even sleeping in a different room to me and the kids on a recent family holiday. Anyway, I’m not opposed to porn in some respects - but paying for it? When we have money troubles. anyway I dug deeper and found chats to prostitutes when I was pregnant last year, on one particular day. He swears it was talk and he was never planning to do anything with them. These messages were asking to meet, at 7pm! It didn’t seem like that to me. And he was asking them for services that I don’t do at home in the bedroom, if that makes any sense. So it seems sexual? This was when he was away from home for one day. A few months prior to him sending these messages we were having a really bad rough patch and he was diagnosed as clinically depressed and I do believe I played a part in this - I know it doesn’t give him the right to turn to a prostitute, or anyone for sexual favours for that matter. Maybe I’m trying to justify his actions or maybe he’d have done this anyway? I suffer from severe PTSD, OCD and anxiety which I have had minimal help for. My mental health troubles started around 4 years ago and have spiralled ever since. I manage to work and function, im a ‘functioning anxious person’ and I’ve said this before. But inside, every day I’m battling my head. During mine and my partners relationship I was taking a lot out on him, if he didn’t follow any of my OCD rituals I would be emotionally draining to him. (I have contamination ocd which peaked with covid).

My mental health issues stem from my previous child’s father, who cheated on me whilst pregnant with my first baby and gave me sti’s whilst pregnant. My partner is aware of this, so to even consider a prostitute when I’m pregnant makes me feel sick. Why would he potentially put me through the same experience that made me unwell? Prior to this with my previous child’s father, I’d never suffered with my mental health and was a glass half full, happy person and had had ‘normal’, long term relationships that were ‘healthy’. My current partner is my first partner since my abusive ex and he was aware of all of my mental health issues and toxic, emotionally and physically abusive past where I have also been raped, so to me sex isn’t something to take lightly. I laid all of my cards on the table to my partner before we ever got intimate or went down a relationship route. I wanted to make sure he knew what to expect in a relationship with me whilst I was suffering with my mental health. Anyway, some good has come from his infidelity, as I now know and have come to terms with just how much help I need with controlling my emotions… calls to perinatal and my works counselling scheme have been made by me and I am awaiting CBT.

Moving on, and thank you if you are still reading, I’ve found out bits and bats as he’s drip fed the info to me. The more I find out, the more he gives. He swears everything is now out in the open. He swears it wasn’t to do with my mental health and he genuinely, actually doesn’t know the reason why he messaged the prostitutee but says he definitely won’t do it again as he now knows what he has to lose. He has said he wants his own counselling to understand himself as he said he feels he doesn’t know himself anymore. When I did find out about the prostitute messages his initial response was to shout ‘were not doing anything’ so again this leads me to believe it was sex related and not mental health related with his diagnosis of clinical depression. But he said it was an impulse answer. We’ve looked at couples counselling through my work and had a brief chat with a counsellor. Since I found out about his infidelity we have strangely connected in a new way. We’ve realised how unhealthy our relationship has been. Our ‘arguments’ which are usually one sided on my part (because he has never, ever spoken to me with an ounce of disrespect), never get discussed and we brush them under the carpet and half an hour later we’ll be absolutely fine. I think it’s blinded us both in to thinking we had a ‘happy’ relationship. We planned our baby and it happened very quick in to trying. The counsellor we spoke to believes that our relationship has ‘connected’ since learning of his infidelity because all cards are out on the table. There’s no lies weighing him down and in a way it makes sense (if he has actually told the whole truth).

It’s been an emotional rollercoaster this last couple of week. I’ve been up and down since finding out but somehow there’s still a connection there some days. I’ve known him 12 years, But I am now starting to wonder if I’ve ever really known him…

I’ve asked him to get his phone logs to see if any of the prostitutes were called. He’s admitted to texting them on his personal phone and has requested his phone logs which will be coming soon. He’s shown me his bank statements and credit card statements as evidence he’s never drawn cash out around this time that he was talking to prostitutes or made a bank transfer to a prostitute. Hes going to request doctors records and prove he never had an sti test behind my back - which I would have hoped, if he went to a prostitute, he’d have done this before potentially harming his unborn child by having sex with me, knowing my previous child’s father gave me sti’s when pregnant and knowing that his unborn baby could have gotten poorly. Hes also had a polygraph lie detector which has come back showing ‘no deception’ and that he hasn’t had sexual contact or intercourse with anyone but me. I gave him countless opportunities to tell me everything but he became the boy who cried wolf. He did say at the time he messaged them when I was pregnant, he thought he’d lost his family anyway due to our arguing a few months prior. And his excuse for doing it this time is the good old ‘I was curious’.

I’m really mad at him for this. I was pregnant. If he went through with seeing a prostitute then he could have harmed me and the baby and knowing what he knows about what my ex did to me and the sti he gave me, I would have thought he’d have had more sense. He knows I’m on top form with all stis, so surely he’d be scared shitless to give one to me and he knows stis can be transferred through oral and a condom. We have a family. He’s done this twice (as far as I’m aware). He’s been using adult work, only fans and porn hub while at work and told me men look at porn at work… it isn’t surprising but I can’t believe this is normal? I understand our sex life has been non existent, even when I was pregnant. But bloody hell, I was pregnant with chronic heartburn. Does he really need to watch porn at work and message escorts?

I’m no innocent in this at all. I’ve said some really hurtful things to him when I’ve had outbursts of anxiety and ocd. I never meant the things I said and do try to talk to him after about any arguments we have but he shuts me down and says ‘I know it’s your anxiety’. I’m just honestly a shell of the person I was but I’d been open and honest about how bad I could get to him and he assured me he’d support me and would be there for me and I told him if he feels my ocd is out of control to contact the relevant mental health services and I gave him their numbers. He’s never done this and never communicated his feelings to me. Like i say maybe he’d have turned to prostitutes anyway and maybe this is just his real character and I don’t want to believe it. Maybe he’s done it in the past? Or maybe it was me? I can’t wholly blame myself for this though and I think what bothers me most is that I was pregnant. Also, the fact that I feel any man who would entertain a prostitute doesn’t have much respect for women. I feel like my whole relationship and pregnancy has been a lie and that I don’t know my partner. It took a lot to let somebody in to my life and start a family after what I’d been through in my first pregnancy and I can’t believe he betrayed my trust. He seems to think counselling will help us both understand where we’ve gone wrong, how to communicate better and how to rebuild trust. I already know where I’ve gone wrong and that I’m going to do everything I can, whether I stay with him or not, to sort myself out so I can be a better person for everyone around me. I’ve been in such a hole these past four years but after being raped, given sti’s and physically and mentally abused I do want to give myself some credit as I have insight in to my problems and I want to and accept the need to work on myself.

I’ve actually realised for a long time my partner was pulling away from me and other people have too because some of my anxieties aren’t ‘rational’ but I guess that is how anxiety can be.

The question is do I accept he’s accepted where he’s gone wrong and move forward on the basis he’s going to do everything he can to make sure this never happens again. Or do I leave before I get more hurt? I’ve asked him if he has ever used prodtitutes before and told him that if he has, this would actually help me understand more, so that I could help him get the help he needs. But he swears he hasn’t. Would he really lie if I’m so ‘open and understanding’. I told him to perhaps consider sexual counselling but he got quite offended by this and swears he doesn’t have a porn addiction as he hasn’t watched it or felt he misses watching it since I found out. He does have a past of debt, which he lied to me about. I only found out about it whilst I was pregnant after seeing an email pop up on his phone notification, again when he was sat at the side of me. I have debt and I told him this prior to us making the decision to have a child, so why couldn’t he tell me about his debt? He says it was to fund a cocaine addiction a few years before we got together, which was short lived but very, very bad. He said this is why he never told me about the debt as he was embarrassed. Like I say I’ve known him 12 years so him having a cocaine addiction in his past was a shock to me. But I’m now wondering was it really a cocaine addiction or a prostitute addiction or perhaps I’m reading in to this too much?

It sounds so toxic. I guess it has been without us realising and never accepting that we had problems in our relationship. I feel like we’ve not appreciated each other for a long time now. Since I’ve found out I’ve let him stay at my house, so he can still be around the kids and we are acting normal in the day around the kids. It’s as functional as possible and maybe that’s some sign of hope.

He’s letting me track his phone and to be honest, he never goes anywhere anyway, but he was messaging these escorts at work, and so he could do this again at work. He’s really trying but I don’t want to live like this, tracking somebody, lack of trust, it’s exhausting. I just want monogamy, trust, respect and communication from a relationship. He failed to communicate with me and even tell me that my mental health was affecting our relationship, and I’m worried he may use my mental health as his scape goat out of his infidelity. I hope not, though.

Since I found out a month ago we have had more good days than bad; but I cannot get my head around feeling like I don’t know my partner and his attitude towards women being bought. I’ve been reading the UK Punting website and omg… yuck! It’s an eye opener.

He’s also fed me the line that with it being a prostitute it’s less personal and I guess he’s saying he thought it wasn’t as bad as ‘cheating with a normal person’ and would spare my feelings as such. I’d have rather him have had an affair or a one night stand, at least maybe I could have understood his reasons for infidelity more and the emotional connection, rather than seeking sex services. He says he didn’t realise how easy it was to book a prostitutr (lol) and when he realised, he got scared and never went through with it because he couldn’t. Ive asked him if he didn’t love me at the time or didn’t/doesn’t want to be with me and I’ve asked him to answer honestly and told him it is ok if he didn’t but he swears he did love me and wanted the relationship but he thought it was coming to an end anyway when he sent the messages. I’ve asked him if he would go to a brothel or pull up on the side of the road and make ‘enquiries’ and he’s said no. He literally normalised adult work and escorting to himself, a prostitute is a prostitute so why is it ok online but not at a brothel?

He has shown remorse for his actions however over the last couple of days he seems to be getting irritated at going over the same things in conversation and ‘getting nowhere’. He needs to accept that it is important to me and things won’t go back to ‘normal’ straight away, whatever normal even is because I don’t know anymore.

Thank you for reading and I welcome your advice. I’m an overthinker and I always try to understand peoples actions and I reason that good people can do bad things but sometimes my attitude leads me to being a doormat. I don’t want to be anyones doormat, anymore. My kids and my mental health will always be my priority and if it is in my childrens and my best interest to leave this relationship, Im sure I’ll find the strength and I’ll find a way.

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AnuSTart · 04/05/2022 19:46
  1. get tested for stds asap
  2. he has slept with prostitutes. Only you get to decide if this is ok for you. If you don't LTB you are saying it is. It is tacit approval. Which he will run with cos he's a knob.
  3. you are worth more than being a doormat.
  4. if you decide to continue to be a doormat, which you may, I can promise you that you'll regret it.

I am so sorry. He is nothing short of a disgusting prick. IMO you should not be bringing up children with this man.
Get plans in place to leave.

There are very few ways of putting that kindly. Enough is enough.

cbrenx · 04/05/2022 19:50

@AnuSTart I've had a full sti check. Most have come back clear, just waiting on the results for the rest.

I am concerned that if we split up I don't actually want my daughter alone with him but I'm not sure if that is my anxiety or whether that is a reasonable feeling towards a man who would entertain a prostitute in any way, shape or form.

I also have minimal support around me. My mum is currently in hospital, I have an aunt who lives a couple of hours away and my grandad who has dementia. I don't have many good friends unfortunately and a lot of my close friends have families of their own. It makes it difficult hence why I've turned to Mumsnet and made an account as I've been looking at other peoples posts and hoping posting myself would help.

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AnuSTart · 04/05/2022 19:53

I'm sorry if I sounded abrupt.
I think this is your anxiety speaking, which is understandable and totally reasonable to be honest.
Prostitution is one thing. Child abuse is another (my opinion anyway).
I am so sorry that you do not have more support.

cbrenx · 04/05/2022 19:54

@AnuSTart no you don't sound abrupt. You sound to the point. I joined this forum today with the expectation of many responses which I welcome. So thank you.

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Sofacouchboredom · 04/05/2022 19:59

I am so sorry you're going through this again. How absolutely awful of him to repeat the behaviours of a past ex who put you through such trauma. IMHO You should not believe a word that is coming out of this lying man's mouth.

'He has shown remorse for his actions however over the last couple of days he seems to be getting irritated at going over the same things in conversation and ‘getting nowhere’. He needs to accept that it is important to me and things won’t go back to ‘normal’ straight away, whatever normal even is because I don’t know anymore.'

No he's not 'remorseful'. He's regretful and in damage control but he's not remorseful. He's already, just a few weeks after you finding out, trying to silence you and rugsweep. That's about as far from remorse as you can get.

I'm sorry but I can't in all good faith recommend you stay with this nasty piece of work. He will never make you feel safe. He is an unsafe partner.

You deserve better than this.

Felix0204 · 04/05/2022 20:02

Sorry I didn't read the whole entire thing. He has probably used sex workers for ages punters don't change once they cross the line that's it. It becomes a habit and he probably won't stop until he's into his 70s!!! If you get ill, have less sex he will find it too easy to slip back into his old ways and book one.

Get out now I have friend who caught her husband using sex workers when she was pregnant 9 years later with another child she caught him again . She wishes she would have left him the first time it's made her a nervous wreck checking his phone. Don't let that be your life they don't change !

cbrenx · 04/05/2022 20:05

@Felix0204 this is my worry. Honestly it scares me. But the question is did he actually do it or didn't he? The messages are only on two occasions. But he's been using the site for a long time for tokens. I really don't know what to think anymore. I'm sick of men traumatising me. I'm sick of people disrespecting me. I'm just so sick.

Surely if he never met the first prostitute and realised he was entering a scary world and felt so guilty about messages, surely he'd have removed his account from the website, not continued to use it for 'porn' and then send another message a whole year later.

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cbrenx · 04/05/2022 20:06

@Sofacouchboredom I really want a man to make me feel safe. To love me. I used to believe in true love. Now my past two relationships have traumatised me and I'll never trust a soul again.

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Shouldbedoing · 04/05/2022 20:12

Lovely cbrenx, I couldn't bear to read past the first paragraph so I skim read a litany of unforgivable and shitty events by him. This is not a good man and he is grinding you down. There is help out there for you if you leave him. entitledto.com for one, Women's Aid is another.

Sofacouchboredom · 04/05/2022 20:21

cbrenx · 04/05/2022 20:06

@Sofacouchboredom I really want a man to make me feel safe. To love me. I used to believe in true love. Now my past two relationships have traumatised me and I'll never trust a soul again.

You'll learn something more powerful though, you'll learn to trust yourself and to value yourself. One of the things I realised following my husbands affair was that my anxiety was worse when I didn't feel safe. My MH was worse when my emotional, physical, mental and sexual safety were being compromised.

Your spidey sense has been warning you that this man is not to be trusted.

I find this difficult to say because I'm a true believer in change and acceptance, but I just can't get over how he knew your past and still his selfishness and entitlement led him to seek out prostitutes. That's unforgivable in my book.

You deserve peace. Flowers

cbrenx · 04/05/2022 20:23

@Sofacouchboredom it really hurts. Why do this when you know how broken I already was. Honestly he 'saved me' when we got together. Or I thought he did. I can't believe anyone would be so cruel and selfish.

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cbrenx · 04/05/2022 20:27

@Sofacouchboredom I never had any reason to believe anything of him. I've always felt secure with him and sang his praises and thanked him for being him. I would tell him I'm lucky and so grateful and he'd respond 'I'm just a normal guy' and I would say; that's what I love about you.

I had no idea honestly. I would have called him a good partner and a good dad. He's never pressured me sex when I've not felt up to it. Makes sense now. I used to tell my friends I had a diamond of a boyfriend. Even the day I found out, I'd told my friend that morning that I was lucky to have my partner.

I feel so stupid I have been living a lie.

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JohannSebastianBach · 04/05/2022 22:06

I'm so sorry OP, that's truly awful.

Personally I think he's still lying and if i was in your shoes I wouldn't be able to believe a word he said anymore.

He's told you what he had to because there was evidence. As a pp said it's damage control. That includes the debt which he lied about right from the beginning and then only told you because you had seen proof.

You deserve so much better and once the trust is gone you will always be wondering what he's up to.

For me this would be game over.

I really hope you are OK. Don't let him pressure you into sweeping it under the carpet. Take the time you need to decide what you want.

Felix0204 · 04/05/2022 23:01

cbrenx · 04/05/2022 20:05

@Felix0204 this is my worry. Honestly it scares me. But the question is did he actually do it or didn't he? The messages are only on two occasions. But he's been using the site for a long time for tokens. I really don't know what to think anymore. I'm sick of men traumatising me. I'm sick of people disrespecting me. I'm just so sick.

Surely if he never met the first prostitute and realised he was entering a scary world and felt so guilty about messages, surely he'd have removed his account from the website, not continued to use it for 'porn' and then send another message a whole year later.

They purchase tokens to look at the private galleries of sex workers see their faces and other stuff. Does he ever get paid cash in hand ? I'm sorry after what my friend went through the first hint of adultwork and he would be out of the door. Even if he's only browsing which I sincerely doubt the behaviour will eventually escalate to booking a sex worker. This isn't about you or anything you haven't done he's just one of those sick entitled men.

Felix0204 · 04/05/2022 23:06

Just because you have only seen him message only 2 sex workers doesn't mean he doesn't he see them. Most bookings are done through phone he might have a burner phone or sim. Check for large cash withdrawals or he could be sneaky and withdraw small amounts more frequently. If you are at the point of having to check his bank statements is the relationship even worth it ?

SecretRedhead · 05/05/2022 05:05

I'm willing to bet you've only found out about the tip of the iceberg. You honestly believed he hadn't done any of this stuff, until you found proof. As pp have said, he's only admitted to the things you've seen proof of, I absolutely believe there's more he hasn't admitted to because there's no proof. If I were you, I'd get rid.

Seriously OP, its SO peaceful living without this stress and anxiety. It's such a lovely life when you're not being gaslit and lied to. People don't leave shit relationships because they're afraid to be alone, but once you realise how peaceful it is to be on your own, th6eres no going back to misery and stress.

GreyCarpet · 05/05/2022 07:14

I'm sick of men traumatising me. I'm sick of people disrespecting me. I'm just so sick

Whilst it isn't your fault that he (or previous men) have behaved in this way, you now have the choice to end it or continue feeling this way.

WeavoSteveo · 11/05/2022 18:50

cbrenx · 04/05/2022 20:05

@Felix0204 this is my worry. Honestly it scares me. But the question is did he actually do it or didn't he? The messages are only on two occasions. But he's been using the site for a long time for tokens. I really don't know what to think anymore. I'm sick of men traumatising me. I'm sick of people disrespecting me. I'm just so sick.

Surely if he never met the first prostitute and realised he was entering a scary world and felt so guilty about messages, surely he'd have removed his account from the website, not continued to use it for 'porn' and then send another message a whole year later.

OK I know I’m setting foot into the lions den here, but reading your post actually got me to sign up as I wanted to just clarify a few things as an ex (yes really) punter.

Firstly it IS possible too stop, the addiction I found is as bad, if not harder to kick than coke/alcohol I’ve had all 3 and this was by far the hardest.

Second I really can’t speak for your other half but I used the same excuses over many years “just talking” “didn’t go through with it” etc. It was all lies, I was never remorseful only regretful, regretful that my BOH (that’s Better) found out and not that I’d done it.

Regards the “only messaged twice” nonsense as any (untrustworthy) man like myself will tell you, go to Tesco (other stores may sell them too) buy the cheapest phone, grab a pay as you go Sim, pay in cash and there it is your “burner phone” untraceable and easy to throw, you could ask for phone records until you are blue in the face you won’t find anything.

As to why? there can be many “reasons” sure I have mental health problems, but to use that would be another excuse, high sex drive, maybe, (ex) wife tired (of course how couldn’t she be looking after three kids), (ex) wife looks gone, yep, but then I’m no Richard Geer, wanting someone younger, yep, (see excuse before), wanting to try “different things”, got me again, I’m sure she did too but we never talked….. as an ex addict none of these really are “reasons” they are just excuses.

The real reason was I was selfish, I wanted that hit, that “high” and trust me coke doesn’t come close to that sense of anticipation when that door opens… they say men and women think very differently on this. I can only speak from a man’s perspective, love and lust are 2 very different things to us, I loved my wife (obviously not enough to totally demean and in the end destroy her and my marriage but that’s another thing) and lust I just wanted sex with women, it may sound churlish but (despite a few chances) I would never ever have an affair, this was or felt in some way different, or I could rationalise it as such, it was a business transaction, not cheating, it filled a need (my need) and it was, yes, pure selfishness.

Over time you feel you have a right to do this, “it’s not hurting anyone” etc. it really really messes with your psyche, you believe you can buy anything, have whatever you want, and in a way for an hour you can but it’s all smoke and mirror's, in the end the “coming down”/sense of shame is unfathomable (at least it was for me) but you have no one to share that with, not even most of your mates (I say most as there is often a knowing nod amongst us men) and I’ve known far more “trustworthy” men than you can imagine having “tried it”, so you go again to get that high once more.

You’ll probably be pleased to here it (I, my addiction) destroyed us, me, my beautiful wife, my children, my family, we really did have it all, big house, foreign holidays, fancy cars, and now I have my bedsit with no contact with any of them, I’m in recovery (never cured) and now instead of my x figure salary in the city I work with people like me, the users, the liars, the cheats the one thing we have in common is we are all chasing something that doesn’t exist in return for losing everything that really matters.

Am quite prepared to be to be ripped to shreds here, you can do no worse than what I’ve already been called or called myself, or happy answer any questions you may have from a (recovering) punters perspective.

In the end though in my opinion if you think you know, then you know.

Pinkbonbon · 11/05/2022 19:22

Men come and go throughout life though op. Rarely are they permanent fixtures. Best case scenario you both fall out of love and go your separate ways...worst case scenario, well, the above really.

Life is a journey to learn to love yourself. That's why it sends us these wankers. So that we can learn from the experience and grow as people.

The skill is first to learn to love ourselves. And that allows us to trust again. Because it's ourselves we have to be able to trust. Eg: 'I give them the benefit of the doubt. And if they take the piss - I trust myself to walk away'.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 11/05/2022 19:30

@WeavoSteveo

I wanted that hit, that “high” and trust me coke doesn’t come close to that sense of anticipation when that door opens…

Ah yes, the anticipation you must have felt every time you opened the door to a woman who may have been abused, coerced, trafficked or suffering with addiction issues.

Of course you'll say the prostitutes you paid to have sex with were all willing and happy and worked for themselves etc.

It's vanishingly unlikely that all of them did. Or that most of them did, even. It's much more likely that on multiple occasions you paid to have sex with women who were trafficked, abused, coerced and had to hand over most of the money to another man once you did what you wanted.

It's staggering to hear a man say he lost everything but still on reflection sound as if he romanticises the anticipation of opening a door to a woman he will then pay to have sex with knowing full well he cannot know if she is truly willing.

I really hope your ex wife got the support she will have needed after finding out you were regularly enjoying contributing to the abuse of women.

I cannot imagine how shaken to their core women must be when they think they have been with a decent man for years then uncover this abuse of women. Because that is fundamentally what it is. Because you cannot know for sure if they're happy selling sex. You were just willing to run the risk they weren't, along with all the other punters.

WeavoSteveo · 11/05/2022 19:50

youvegottenminuteslynn · 11/05/2022 19:30

@WeavoSteveo

I wanted that hit, that “high” and trust me coke doesn’t come close to that sense of anticipation when that door opens…

Ah yes, the anticipation you must have felt every time you opened the door to a woman who may have been abused, coerced, trafficked or suffering with addiction issues.

Of course you'll say the prostitutes you paid to have sex with were all willing and happy and worked for themselves etc.

It's vanishingly unlikely that all of them did. Or that most of them did, even. It's much more likely that on multiple occasions you paid to have sex with women who were trafficked, abused, coerced and had to hand over most of the money to another man once you did what you wanted.

It's staggering to hear a man say he lost everything but still on reflection sound as if he romanticises the anticipation of opening a door to a woman he will then pay to have sex with knowing full well he cannot know if she is truly willing.

I really hope your ex wife got the support she will have needed after finding out you were regularly enjoying contributing to the abuse of women.

I cannot imagine how shaken to their core women must be when they think they have been with a decent man for years then uncover this abuse of women. Because that is fundamentally what it is. Because you cannot know for sure if they're happy selling sex. You were just willing to run the risk they weren't, along with all the other punters.

“Of course you'll say the prostitutes you paid to have sex with were all willing and happy and worked for themselves etc”

Not at all, I thought no more of that than I did, the people in Columbia, losing their lives/freedom to get the cocaine I wanted, like I think no more of the kids in the sweatshops in India/turkey churning out clothes for pennies so we can pay less.

I was simply trying to equate the feeling that you get that becomes addictive. Nothing more nothing less, it’s the same urge people get that makes them rob their family for one last hit. I don’t seek to excuse just explain, there is no justification for it or what I did to them or my family it was (and always will be an addiction)

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