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Using baby in an argument - don’t know how to address it

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Zipididoda · 01/05/2022 14:56

DH and I generally have a really solid relationship and he’s a very sweet playful patient father to 18mo DS, but we’ve recently been having fights every couple of months or so. We try not to let it happen in front of DS but he has definitely seen us shout at each other a few times which already makes me feel so sad.

But today was particularly bad and I don’t know how to address it. DH was out last night drinking until late, he was in a good mood when he got into bed and I could tell he’d had a few but didn’t realise how much. It wasn’t until he got up this morning to give DS breakfast that I realised he was still drunk - he gets very stubborn and has a strange way of interacting which is unmistakable.

As soon as I realised I got annoyed, told him how difficulty he was being and took over with DS. Initially he was ok and briefly got into bed again but it made him very angry that I implied he wasn’t in a fit state to look after DS. At this point I’d put DS on my side of the bed while I got dressed. DH got out of bed and tried to move me out of the way so he could pick up DS, I guess to prove he was able to look after him. I told him not to and very firmly stood me ground, but he kept insisting on picking up DS who was now crying. I totally lost my cool and shouted that I didn’t want him to take the baby and very lightly pushed him away from us - not strong enough to physically make him move but I guess I was just losing it and felt trapped. Eventually he reached past me and picked DS up. Obviously I didn’t physically stop him as I didn’t want to scare DS more than he already was. I followed them into the kitchen pleading to have the baby and for him to sleep it off, and kept telling him that he was still drunk and not acting normal (I’m very aware this would have been fanning the flames and not the best way to de-escalate, I wasn’t thinking). Eventually it got to this horrible scene where DS was in his arms crying and reaching out to me, DH refusing to give him to me arguing that he looks after him all the time when I ‘can’t be bothered’, and me almost losing my mind trying to get him to just give me the baby and piss off to bed.

Finally he relented, felt like forever but was probably about 5 minutes of fighting all in. DS was happy eating breakfast but in a weird mood rest of the morning, had a really long early nap and was clingy and a bit fearful at the park. It could be a coincidence but it absolutely breaks my heart to think we made him feel unsafe. I spent the whole morning cuddling, playing and singing to him and telling him how much we both love him but I think he’s really noticed the instability between us now and the only way it’s going to be ok is if he never sees anything like this ever again.

But how can I stop this happening again? How can I talk to DH about this? We’ve already agreed many times not to fight around DS, and he’s acknowledged he can be mean when drunk, but I KNOW that he’ll see this is all my fault - for over reacting, for not letting him pick up his son, for shouting at him and making him feel like an abusive dad.

It’s probably worth saying that I love DH very much and genuinely don’t think he is abusive, I want to work through this with him but right now I feel completely lost. It feels like somethings been broken

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AndAsIfByMagic · 01/05/2022 15:00

He needs to grow up and not get drunk.

tobedtoMN · 01/05/2022 15:15
  1. the drinking needs to stop
  2. the arguing needs to stop. Both of you.

If 1 & 2 can't be achieved then you need time apart. This is NOT a good environment for a baby.

Overthewine · 01/05/2022 16:04

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gonnascreamsoon · 01/05/2022 16:15

When you have a child to look after, you can no longer go on nights out that involve drinking lots of alcohol, it's really that simple.

He needs to grow up in the sense that he needs to admit that he wouldn't let anyone ELSE look after his child if they were drunk, so why would he expect YOU to allow him to do it when he's still drunk ?

The rest of the 'arguements' and 'bickering' also need to stop. You both need to agree that you won't even raise the subject of something that you think is an issue until your child is asleep for the night and you've had a chance to cool down and be able to discuss it very calmly. That's what adults do, they discuss issues calmly, with respect and consideration as the norm.

It sounds like you both love each other and your child, and generally have a good relationship, so it should be fine if you can agree to delay/defer discussing 'issues' until a later time.

Remember too, that after seeing you both argue, it important that your DC sees you 'make up' again, because it's a skill you learn. Your DC will benefit from seeing 'conflict resolution' within your home, because an arguement will happen in every family, and it's important for them to see that it can be amicably 'resolved' and that you still love each other and are very much still a family unit.

user1471457751 · 01/05/2022 20:52

When you say a 'strange way of acting' was he actually doing anything that put your son at risk or upsetting him? Because honestly it sounds like you were looking for a fight and being over dramatic about your husband giving his child breakfast

AgentJohnson · 01/05/2022 21:00

If he wants to drink to the point that he becomes belligerent and an arsehole, then he sleeps elsewhere. He clearly isn’t very sorry if he keeps doing it.

YRGAM · 01/05/2022 21:33

user1471457751 · 01/05/2022 20:52

When you say a 'strange way of acting' was he actually doing anything that put your son at risk or upsetting him? Because honestly it sounds like you were looking for a fight and being over dramatic about your husband giving his child breakfast

I agree with this. By the sounds of it he hasn't done anything that justified your reaction, and you don't have the right to take the baby off him - you're not the priority parent

Cliftontherocks · 01/05/2022 21:35

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This.

he is a drunk and abusive

Favourodds · 01/05/2022 21:45

He must have been insanely drunk to still be so drunk by morning that you decided he wasn't fit to look after a child?

My husband got in at 1am, fell out of bed like an idiot and was still competent enough by 8am to make a toddler some toast and watch a bit of TV with her...

ForensicFlossy · 01/05/2022 21:51

Your dh wasn't drunk enough for you to worry when he came home but was suddenly still drunk enough the next morning?
Also, you pushed him, let's turn this around and imagine the man pushed the woman, it would be very different answers.

QuillBill · 01/05/2022 22:28

As soon as I realised I got annoyed, told him how difficulty he was being and took over with DS.

If you had a healthy relationship you would have said 'bloody hell Roger, you are still drunk. Go back to bed'

Obviously he shouldn't be so drunk he is still pissed the next day as he's got responsibilities. But if he's a good father like you say he is I'd presume this was not something that has happened before in which case you over reacted.

If he is repeatedly doing dickish stuff like this he's not a good father at all and you shouldn't be with him.

WhackingPhoenix · 01/05/2022 23:05

With all due respect OP, you started this argument. Your DH was getting up to give his son some breakfast, he wasn’t blind drunk. What did he do that made you think he couldn’t safely look after him? Your DS sounded like he was just fine until you started ‘taking over’, and then he got confused and started crying.

WTF475878237NC · 01/05/2022 23:18

I am assuming you know from past experience he isn't safe with your son when hungover/drunk. He should have just given you the baby and said yeah I'll sleep it off. No matter how annoyed he was, he should have given you your son long before the crying and arms reaching out for you. How upsetting. It's an indescribably awful feeling when you plead for your baby and the person (whoever it is!) holding them won't hand them over.

almondbran · 01/05/2022 23:19

Sounds like you’re in the wrong and I’m basing that on hearing your side which obviously paints you in the best light!

PinkSyCo · 01/05/2022 23:22

I’m a bit confused as to what your DH was doing so wrong as to make you believe that he couldn’t give your DS his breakfast safely. Does he drink too much too often in general? Is this what most of your arguments are about?

JoeGoldberg · 01/05/2022 23:22

Sorry but I think you started this argument OP.

Heronwatcher · 01/05/2022 23:31

Regardless of the rights and wrongs this kind of thing can be incredibly damaging for kids of that age. It has to stop. Giving your partner the benefit of the doubt you need to sit down together and discuss what happened and stick to it religiously. If the only way to do this is for him to stop drinking or stay away from home when he is drinking then so be it. But I do think you need to have a think about why you reacted as you did honestly- was it really because he was a danger to your DS, or were you just really pissed off with him? Only you know the answer to that one.

Sweetmotherofallthatisholyabov · 01/05/2022 23:34

He kept insisting on picking up your ds who was crying and you blocked him and eventually pushed him? I'd be very unimpressed if someone stood between me and my crying child.

Hugasauras · 01/05/2022 23:47

I think it's a bit weird you telling him he couldn't pick up his child and shouting and pushing him. It seems unlikely he was drunk enough the morning after that picking up his child in front of you was going to cause any problems? I don't think I've ever told DH he can't pick up or interact with his own child, much less physically pushed him away from her.

Was your child actually in any danger from him or unhappy before the argument and pushing began, which is probably what triggered his eventual unhappiness?

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 01/05/2022 23:56

Sounds like you started this. Ds is 18 months old not a tiny baby, what was the problem with him giving him breakfast when you were there too

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