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Any strategies to help me cope with my toxic mother for 2 weeks?(may be triggering)

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HollyShit · 18/04/2022 18:48

My mother and I have always had a very difficult relationship. She has always been very cruel, dismissive of my achievements and when I was a younger person terribly neglectful.

There is a nasty background, she says she knew that I was “evil” since I was a baby, so unlike with my siblings, she raised me from that perspective.

Examples of the situations I have endured include blaming me for being sexually abused when I was 4, she totally refused to talk about it for years so, growing up in a culture that put a lot of value in virginity, I grew up feeling rejected and thinking that I was worthless, but that made me try much harder to please her so, by 20, I had accomplished more than my siblings. But she still didn’t miss any opportunity to put me down, discredit me with friends and family and the level of gaslighting was sickening. I put distance between us as soon as I could.

Fast forward a few years down the line, I am married and have a child, that get us closer to start with but, it wasn’t long enough that raising a child really made me realise how abusive my mother was, I started to see her behaviour in a different light as I couldn’t imagine doing or saying such horrible things to my son.

When I decided to leave my husband, she took his side and it was a huge effort to get her to stop casually passing information to him when I was under police protection and my case worker trying to get DS and I to a refuge. She said I was lying.

A year later, my young child described something that happened during contact with his dad that made me realise he was experiencing the first steps of sexual abuse, and being a survivor of it, I really hit the roof, I didn’t want him growing up as I did. My mother told me to shut up and say nothing which obviously brought back all my childhood trauma in a monumental way as I always wondered why she never did anything to deal with it or help me go through the trauma of the abuse.

When I told her I didn’t want DS growing with the stigma of rape as I did, she told me to shut up that she had taken me to the doctor for a check and I was still a virgin.
She obviously thought that was enough to close the subject but I cannot bloody understand why she didn’t tell me about it. I have vivid recollections of the abuse, about the guy demanding oral sex, about his fingers on me and the bloody pain but, apparently, because my hymen was intact, it didn’t matter.

Throughout my life, anytime someone says something nice about me, she corrects them saying I am very problematic, hysterical, deranged and imaginative. The level of gaslighting and re writing history is absolutely sick, I have lived far from her for many years which has helped but, I do resent seeing family and friends who appreciated me before, scolding me nowadays about my “behaviour” as she has always been such a great parent and “loves me so much”. If only they could see what happens when they are out of earshot…

Anyhow, I have not seen her since before Covid started because there were restrictions to travel to the country and also because my salary has gone down and can hardly pay the expensive longhaul flight to get there.

I have a good relationship with my dad and he is getting very old and frail. He has got to that stage where every little problem may land him in hospital. I have booked a flight to see him, knowing well this might be the last time. My dad insists that my mother is included in every conversation, we are family he says, but that then results on my mother talking over my dad, changing the subject completely and bitching about other people or talking for hours about how wonderful and fantastic my siblings are. Needless to say that with such short time I feel as she is blooming wasting the minutes I paid for dearly to be in touch with my dad or other members of the family.

I am going to be there for 2 weeks, can’t stay elsewhere, and it is very difficult to escape my mother as I am not allowed to go out alone, we have had proper arguments after her insistence to chaperone me everywhere I go, she insists to come when I meet with people, if I say no she ignores me and imposes herself in a way that is impossible to say no. If I explain clearly I want to be on my own, she insists on sitting on the car outside the restaurant where I am meeting with my friends.

I want to see my dad, but I am dreading being in contact with my mum so much I have developed a massive rash I only get when I am stressed. All the trauma is coming back, how do I deal with this during the time I am there? I normally feel like I need therapy every time that I see her but the last time was so bad I am feeling dreadful already and I am not even there yet.

Any suggestions?

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HollyShit · 18/04/2022 18:56

Apologies, reading back I should have put a proper trigger warning in the subject rather than saying may be triggering. I’m very sorry if I caused upset.

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Greydogs123 · 18/04/2022 19:03

I can absolutely understand you wanting to see your dad one last time, but I think spending two weeks with such a toxic presence as your mum is going to be impossible and potentially damaging to you.
I think I you need to cut your mother out of your life completely - she sounds like an absolutely terrible woman who has never treated you the way a mother should treat her daughter (she thought you were evil from birth!).
If you really need to go then go for as short a time as possible and stay anywhere other than with them.

HollyShit · 18/04/2022 19:25

Thank you, I know you are right. I cannot change the booking I am afraid, oh my… how am I going to survive this?

I thought of visiting a couple of cousins who live 4 hours away to break the trip even for a couple of days, but as last time U did that I could hardly spend time with them as my mother arranged for me to and see distant relatives of hers at the same time it totally ruined the experience.

I have insisted so much I don’t want her to fill my diary that I had to say I didn’t want to see anyone, so how do I back track from that?

For the last year I have been convincing myself to accept I won’t see my dad again and to limit all contact to WhatsApp calls butt the then, he fell again last week and here I am with yet another trip booked out duty which I know I am not going to enjoy.

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HollyShit · 18/04/2022 19:30

I can assure you, that once my father is no longer around I am going full NC with her.

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ExtraOnion · 18/04/2022 20:42

My advice would be not to go.

I understand you are close to your dad, and want to see him, but, the chances are that any time you spend with him will be ruined by your mother. Will you get any alone time with him ? If not, cancel the trip.

You will always have a special relationship with your dad, you don’t need to be in the same room / house / country or continent for that.

You are going “out of duty” - duty to who? Your first duty is to yourself and your mental health.. both of which will be negatively impacted by this trip.

You can’t know if your dad will pass away tomorrow, next month or next year .. how many more “duty bound” trips ?

Cancel

HollyShit · 18/04/2022 21:53

It is my last trip. My salary has gone down, I really cannot afford these trips anymore, they normally left me in debt for a year but that was before my salary went down, I am using my savings but I can’t afford to get in debt anymore.

The duty is ridiculous… when you grow in a culture where family comes first (as bad as they could be) I cannot even go in a simple weekend holiday/buy something expensive for the house without feeling guilty of not saving that money to visit my parents.

Writing this in here in a few words just makes me realised how messed up this situation is…

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HollyShit · 18/04/2022 21:58

And yes, it is very difficult to have time alone with my dad. We managed some last time having breakfasts in our own while my mother was still sleeping (he wakes up at 5 and I am usually jet lagged so we had a few hours before my mum wake up.

I just go for these few hours at breakfast, I love talking to him, we have these very deep philosophical conversations that I very much enjoy. But as soon as my mum is up, that’s the end of it.

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Chocolatecomaday · 18/04/2022 22:12

As much as you don't want to accept it your df was the enabler in her abuse....
You need to stay home imo.
And I am nc with both my dps. As an adult I now get to decide who is on my life.

Sugarplumfairy65 · 19/04/2022 09:20

I wouldn't do the trip.
I know you say that you have a good relationship with your dad and that you love him, but he enabled your mother's treatment of you. Why didn't he stop it? A father should protect his child not turn a blind eye for a quiet life.
I'm sorry op, but if I were you I would cut contact now.

Whatsmyname100 · 19/04/2022 10:05

So sorry you went through all this. And I think you shouldn't go either. You mental health is worth far more than being obligated to two toxic people. Yes that includes your father. No loving parent would stand by and allow the other parent to abuse their child in that way. No loving parent. He was complicit in the abuse. What did he do to help you with the sexual abuse as a child? Did he report it and fight for justice for you? I think you need to take a step back and honestly acknowledge who your father really is. And then think about, if it's worth it torturing yourself by making the trip for him.

HollyShit · 19/04/2022 19:10

@Chocolatecomaday

As much as you don't want to accept it your df was the enabler in her abuse.... You need to stay home imo. And I am nc with both my dps. As an adult I now get to decide who is on my life.
I am not in denial about that, I am aware however that he doesn’t know 80% of it.

My mother said and did horrible things but if talked about it he told my dad that I was making it up or trying to split them up. I was so so fucked up about the latter I learned to keep my mouth shut.

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HollyShit · 19/04/2022 19:11

Sorry, “if I talked about it, she told my dad…”

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HollyShit · 19/04/2022 19:15

@Whatsmyname100

So sorry you went through all this. And I think you shouldn't go either. You mental health is worth far more than being obligated to two toxic people. Yes that includes your father. No loving parent would stand by and allow the other parent to abuse their child in that way. No loving parent. He was complicit in the abuse. What did he do to help you with the sexual abuse as a child? Did he report it and fight for justice for you? I think you need to take a step back and honestly acknowledge who your father really is. And then think about, if it's worth it torturing yourself by making the trip for him.
No, they never reported it, we moved houses as the perpetrator was one of the neighbours, but I am pretty sure he is not aware that I remember. With the lies of my mum he always thought that I had a tendency to make mountains out of molehills.

I know I shouldn’t go, I just want a bit of time with my dad and move on.

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HollyShit · 19/04/2022 19:22

But in the advice received… I have arranged to meet some old friends when I am there. I told my parents I didn’t want to see anyone as I didn’t want my mother filling the days promising relatives I don’t give a hoot about that I would visit, but I am toying with the idea of going to visit a couple of relatives a few hours away (She is going to hit the roof, last time I did she really had a strop and tried to force me to take her with me, at the end it was my father who intervened and stopped her after I told them I want them to catch up with these cousins as the friends that we are rather than just popping by and leave in an hour because my parents wanted to go back to the hotel.

Now… if it goes abysmally bad in the first week, I cannot change my flights but after so many years not travelling on my own, I am starting to fancy the idea to have a little holiday on my own in the second week.

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HollyShit · 19/04/2022 19:24

I guess that is one of the strange things of abuse, you put up with so much shit you become stronger (as long as nobody push your buttons…)

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HollyShit · 20/04/2022 14:58

Thank you for your messages on what is a very difficult subject and thank you for saying what you think with so much tact, your message have provided a good level of reassurance that I shouldn’t feel guilty about cancelling all the plans if things get nasty before I go or once I am there.

I have another couple of weeks to consider the situation but I have contacted some friends to see when I am there, and have been checking where to escape to if things go badly before my trip back. I am starting to love the idea of spending one of those weeks traveling in my own, I know it sound bonkers and perhaps it is but I so much need to catch up with myself and it would be the first time in 20 years that I would be traveling without a child on tow.

I’m signing off and getting back to my usual name, but thank you very much for your tactful messages.

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