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Therapy, marriage counselling or call it a day?

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Heatherdene · 02/04/2022 12:03

Apologies for the long post, but trying to put everything relevant in here and not drip feed later.

Married 12 years. 2 primary school aged children. Youngest has a chronic health condition (diagnosed 2 years ago). Clinicians now questioning neuro-diversity and possibly genetic condition underlying. We go through phases of not a lot happening and getting on with our lives and then a raft of appointments. It doesn't help she is under various teams and no one communicates with each other (our community paediatrician is nowhere to be seen).

Me and DH both have big jobs (FT), but I earn about 50% more then him. I regularly work evenings and weekends.

I married DH because he was easy-going and funny. I had had some intense boyfriends before this. I thnk there was also an element that I was glad someone wanted to marry me.

I carry the mental load in our marriage. My DH is one of those people who if you tell him what to do, he will do it, but has no initiative. He wouldn't think to do a weekly shop (unless he wanted something from the supermarket), he would have no idea when the children need dentist appointments etc. I organise everything.

My DH is also terrible with money and has previously got into debt, which we then have had to clear, and he lied about this. I am in control of the purse strings.

He is a terrible communicator and can get grumpy and then you have to figure out why. He is not good if I am ill, but can also be funny and kind. Friends and family love him. He does school runs. He will take children to appointments if I let them know where they are etc. If I said now can you go to the shop and get x and y, he would happily do it.

We are going through a phase of appointments. My DH is doing his normal, which is effectively to put his head in the sand. We had a big hospital appointment earlier in the week. He had volunteer activities straight after, but I stayed up so we could discuss the options we could take. He came to bed and fell asleep. We then had to go to school the next lunchtime to discuss where we were. He spent all morning in his office. I had taken an hour out to highlight things etc, but he just literally came down as we needed to go on a phone call. In the meeting he clearly felt he should contribute and just added things like "yes I think the doctor wasn't particularly good", which may be the case, but doesn't take us anywhere.

I have repeatedly told him I need a partner and I need him to be more proactive. I have given examples - so re the appointment I was saying I needed him to sit down with me and talk about our options. I have diarised chats and he literally will sit there in silence when I ask his thoughts on what we should do.

I am exhausted carrying the mental load. I don't want platitudes of, "I'll support your decision". I want him to be proactive and suggest things himself.

I was speaking to a friend today in despair (I think the straw being when completing a questionnaire on our child he suggested we toss a coin between 2 options as I wasn't sure which one was most accurate about her abilities). I said how the issue is our marriage is fine when times are good, but we don't do the sickness and bad times well and she said, "because you can deal with everything on your own in the fine times, but when times aren't good and you need someone he isn't there. So not only are you dealing with all the stress you have the sadness of an unsupportive and unequal partnership", and she's right. That's exactly how I feel.

So where next counselling for myself? I feel like I almost have to accept if I stay in this marriage he will never be the partner I need in bad times and how to deal with that, without ending up in arguments, which go nowhere and lead to no change.

Marriage therapy? My concern with marriage therapy is he will say all the right things to the therapist (yes I need to change, I feel bad etc) and I think in that moment will mean them and nothing will change.

Or just call it a day? I don't think I can face that at the moment, I literally don't have the brain capacity and I am not sure my life would be easier. My DH does do things: school runs, laundry etc. We earn well, but we would have to sell the house. I am not sure I could do my job without him around (I sometimes have to travel).

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Iwonder08 · 02/04/2022 12:12

I think OP you might be a little bit of a control freak. Also I don't think a therapy will help. He is not organised and proactive by nature and it is not going to change. It feels your marriage problems can be fixed by better organisation and communication as well as managing expectations. If you need him to do more then suggest it in some practical terms, I. E. Split the appointments evenly between you, agree who is doing the food shopping etc. Make a list and split the responsibilities. There is no point to expect him to suddenly become a different person. Is he completely useless and not supportive in any way?

katmarie · 02/04/2022 12:52

Therapy might help you depending on what you look to get out of it for you. If you can change your mindset, and perhaps lower your expectations, and still be happy, individual therapy might help you to do that. But if you don't think that is a solution, then you have to ask yourself what it is you want a year from now, 2 years etc. What can you live with and what can't you live with, given that people don't often change dramatically.

Couples therapy isn't going to make him more thoughtful and organised. It might help you both to meet in the middle over your expectations from each other though. Does he understand how close to breaking point your marriage is currently?

Bobbybobbins · 02/04/2022 12:58

My DH is similar to an extent and we have two DS with learning disabilities and ASD. He always offers to help but is not proactive. I have got to the stage where I have handed over responsibility for certain tasks- dentist, hair cuts et to him. This has improved things slightly.

Heatherdene · 02/04/2022 13:12

@Iwonder08 I would agree I am a bit of a control freak and the whole medical situation has made me more so. In part because you have to be so on it. The NHS is great but if you don't chase appointments, prescriptions they just don't happen. He's not completely useless and supportive and I suppose that's why I am not thinking, "this needs to end", but I just think why is all for me to sort and organise. He is an adult with a professional job, but yet can't seem to get organised or take any initiative with our children.

@katmarie thanks for that. I think that's possible what I need to explore. Can I alter my mindset? Actually do I want to? I agree with you on couples therapy. I suppose what I want is for one day for him to walk in and go, "you know I've got a real problem with being organised, supportive, communication, so I am off to a therapist to work on my own issues" and that's never going to happen.

I think he does in some ways know how close our marriage is to breaking, but I think he's the sort where I would literally have to hand him divorce papers for him to realise. It's a bit like our child's health, "oh this is bad", but then doesn't do anything. He would never suggest marriage counselling or that we may both benefit from individual therapy. I think there is also probably a sense at the moment that he's done worse (getting into a lot of debt and lying about it) and I didn't chuck him out and it's not as bad as that.

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