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What is the grass is no greener?

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Userthatname · 02/04/2022 08:10

My husband was diagnosed with neurodivergence 12 months ago. He is high functioning so I guess what used to be known as Aspergers.

He is very honest, steady, practically reliable most of the time, very loyal until one of his special interests consume him and then he would drop us like a hot potato, does an equal share of the domestic work, works hard, I know he would never cheat on me.
BUT
At 35 years old, I'm questioning whether I actually want a future with him. Practically, he's hands on at home and mostly with the children, but mentally and emotionally, I find things very difficult. Everything is a calculation with him, love doesn't flow naturally. Even the most joyful news from myself or the children is met with a blank expression. He's not too interested in sex, he's very insular and spends a lot of time on his own watching netflix or doing his special interests. I have to remind him if we've barely spent any time together which makes me feel taken for granted as he clearly doesn't particularly need me.

If we go out with friends, he will spend his time taking the piss out of me as it's the only way he really knows how to be funny. I have stopped going out with him and friends at the same time. He'll drink too much because he's quite shy and struggles to fit in. Everything is about being socially acceptable and right for him, so he hardly says anything unless he's drinking and then all jokes are about me. I find it stressful and demeaning. He always apologises and says he'll stop doing it but does it again. I'm quite controversial in my conversation and I find it funny to be so, he finds it difficult as in his mind, I'm not following the socially acceptable rules so he'll pull me up. If he doesn't like what I'm talking about, he'll tell me so infront of people. This could of course be entirely unrelated to his diagnosis.

I have to state the obvious a lot and if I dare to be too ill to care for the children (for example) and he has something hobby related planned, he'll not speak to me for days if he hasn't been able to go. I realise that this may be personality related as opposed to autism related. I even have to prove why I'm tired sometimes if it doesn't match up with what he wants to do. He'll get easily side tracked by other things when the children are tired and need to go to bed, I have to manage his time a lot which is exhausting. I think he also has a bit of ADHD.

He's not great at picking up emotional cues from myself or the children. He can be very neglectful from that point of view. Even when going through the death of my father, he made sure he still had time to go and do his hobby. He'll say things like "well it's not like I can DO anything." He doesn't get that sometimes, we just need him to be there for us. He left me throwing up with a horrible sickness bug, raging water infection and a badly pulled stomach muscle at 8 months pregnant, whilst caring for a 3 year old (who was in bed asleep) because he couldn't DO anything.

I find it anxiety inducing sometimes how he can be helpful one minute and then completely neglectful the next. When the children were babies, he was hands on until something better came along and then it would all be left to me. The inconsistent 'help" I was getting really messed with my mental health. And it's left questions around whether or not I can trust him.

We've had relationship counselling and it became apparent that he needed to work on some of his behaviours. He is more self aware now, but when he's being more considerate, he's obviously following 'rules' set by the counsellor and not really doing it because he wants to.

I often feel quite lonely and uncared for. I have built up my own hobbies since our second child became less needy, I see friends, but it still hasn't filled the vacuums that are left by my marriage to my husband. In the past, he used to say that it wasn't his problem that my parents had moved abroad and couldn't help me more. He seems to have the view that parents are there to pick up any slack, even as adults. When they do visit, he'll go off and do his hobbies rather than spend time with them as he thinks he's relieved from doing any family duties. He's a user.

His parents, I suspect, are also neurodivergent and I've had to put up with a lot from them also. I've had to erect a lot of boundaries much to my husband's bafflement and disappointment at times.

I often feel very disappointed myself, that this is marriage life. It feels a bit joyless and loveless. He's very serious and it's hard to be playful or flirtatious, difficult to joke around with him. He tried much more before we married and had our children but he's become extremely complacent and by his own admittance, takes me for granted at times. He doesn't really laugh much. Even on holidays, he is quite cold and clinical. I think he harbours resentment when he is having to focus solely on our family unit and can't pursue his independent interests, but he would argue that this isn't the case.

I didn't have a stable home life as a child, which is what makes this decision so difficult as despite all of this, I have stability for myself and our children which means an awful lot to me. I know my standards for a relationship are possibly lower because of this.

The children are 4 and 8.

He's been trying much harder since we had relationship counselling, but it feels very forced. I know he's following the 'rules' suggested by the counsellor, as opposed to doing things out of love, or thought himself. When asked why we wanted to stay together, the first reason he gave was "it would be better for us financially." Before anything else. This has played on my mind since.

I know that, if we separate and divorce and then I meet someone else who cheats, or life is really difficult as a single mum, I may well regret leaving him. I also worry about his ability to "care" for the children properly as he doesn't pick up on illness or hazards easily. One example is when I asked him to check the fire alarms one year and he said "there's no point, they have no batteries in them."
I asked why and he said "well, they were beeping and irritating me."
Stuff like this.

I also know that if I met someone else whilst with my husband, who was more caring and loving, I'm not sure that I would avoid having an affair in all honesty.

Do other people ever feel like this?

Is the grass likely to be greener if I leave him?

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Userthatname · 02/05/2022 07:34

To add, last night he mentioned us going away together on out own for a couple of nights. I reminded him that we are not together anymore and that we need to plan our separation and he just said "ok."

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something2say · 02/05/2022 07:54

Hiya

I've rtft including this last bit. I guess it's going to be on you then, to start the wheels turning??

FWIW I would leave for sure. And I'd recognize that I'd do all the work for the divorce and split. But once it's done, your life will really change.

DomusAurea · 02/05/2022 08:17

Good morning, just read this. You have been amazing to take control of your life in a difficult situation! Looks like you will have to take control even more and tell him what's happening. You are leading this. Which is not entirely a bad thing.

user1471462428 · 02/05/2022 08:39

Can either of you move out?

StooOrangeyForCrows · 02/05/2022 08:45

Userthatname · 02/05/2022 07:33

I've told him it's over.
I then sent him an email outling all the reasons, explaining what needs to happen now etc.
He's completely ignoring it.
I got his parents to take care of the children so I could speak to him about how to move forward with the separation and he literally stared blankly, said "ok" a few times then changed the subject. I kept bringing it back but he kept doing the same over and over again.
I'm exhausted and he's plodding on as if all is fine.
What now?

What now is that you divorce him. Stop attempting to get him to engage in a 'normal' way. He won't. See a solicitor and start proceedings as soon as possible. You have told him you are separating. You can do no more.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 02/05/2022 09:03

I’d find these posts sad and interesting

after my son was diagnosed with asd I did alot
of research and realised I definitely have many many traits
the differences being I can’t get diagnosed as they don’t inhibit my life ( excepting anxiety)
but I find it fascinating how men seem to be able to behave in such a way and I question how
much is asd and how much is their character and gender and upbringing

I’d say staying with him because you might not meet anyone better isn’t a powerful place to start

as no one can predict what will happen in terms
of meeting someone else

and yes down the line you will start dating probably and have all the dramas that everyone does !

the more critical question is around your happiness and your family

could he change ? Probably not ?

can you live with this for the rest of your life ? Probably not

will you meet someone else ? Maybe yes ,
maybe not immediately

i just wouldn’t frame it around ‘him’ or ‘someone else ‘

picklemewalnuts · 02/05/2022 09:06

Ah, bless you. I'm 20 years down the line, having chosen stability over leaving. I don't regret it, but was further down the line when I really fully understood my situation. If I'd known when I first registered the problems that nothing would improve, then I'd have jumped. I kept waiting, thinking 'it will be better when....'.

So well done. You're making a brave and good decision.

You'll find you need to do all the running. Stop consulting him, and start planning what you want. Then present that to him. He can at that point accept it, or find a better plan.

So gather all the financial information, work out what kind of contact arrangements you want with the DC.

The last one is the biggy. They need good contact with their dad, but you know he has some limits about recognising danger and being attentive. I could never leave mine when they were poorly, as I didn't trust him to recognise if they were getting worse and seek appropriate help.

Get someone in to value the house. He may well see that as a motivating factor.

Mine would be scrupulously fair about financials, but he'd hate me to waste money. He'd work for hours to find a cost effective settlement. Perhaps you could set him on that, if you trust him.

picklemewalnuts · 02/05/2022 09:12

@Thisisworsethananticpated it's such a sad read, isn't it? My DS1 is almost certainly diagnosable, as are quite a few other members of the family. He has chosen not to engage in relationships, as they are too demanding. He prefers a simple life where he doesn't have to think about anyone else's needs. He's very happy that way. He may get a dog. He's even thinking about fostering one day- he's actually extremely caring and nurturing! He just prefers to avoid emotional entanglement. I don't think he ever will foster- perhaps providing support care would work, as that's far more boundaried.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 03/05/2022 21:03

picklemewalnuts

he sounds delightful
your son x

blueagain · 04/05/2022 04:02

Go see a solicitor and file for divorce

Userthatname · 04/05/2022 08:18

I can't even apply for divorce, because we're not married. I always call him "husband" on threads because of the bashing that unmarried women with children get on MN.

I will have to move out to get the ball truly rolling and rent for a period of time before up-rooting the children again when I buy somewhere. I really wanted to avoid doing that. He could stay with his parents who have a large property and would have him back in an instant until the house is sold. I have no relatives to stay with.

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