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My 26yo sister won’t move out of my place and it’s making me unhappy everyday

75 replies

Autumntimes · 19/03/2022 18:29

My sister has been living in my place for over a year and a half now. Initially I agreed to her staying with me as she was still in uni and I would like to help my family save money on rent for her. I told her and our parents that she has to move out by last year November as I really want to live by myself and with just my dog. In fact she was so messy that I could no longer tolerate it. I later on told her in various ways that she needed to clean up after herself in common area. She became better but still not ok imo. There are a lot of things that I really disliked which came down to personal preference which I’m not going to go into.

She is also v isolated. She came to my city (keeping this anon) as she wished to find a job here. Not having a single friend here she relied on me to take her out, introduced her to various parts of town, taking her to do various activities. I was happy to do so at first but it became such a responsibility that I stopped doing it altogether, as she would not go anywhere without me! I tried to push her to socialise more to no avail.

The worst thing was, she has a v “aggressive” way with dogs. She believes in punishment based dog training method which I stupidly and really regretfully followed first (as she had a dog before who sadly passed away). I know better now after reading books and hiring trainers. There are multiple things that I had told her not to do, such as scolding my dog, giving him treats right before bed, etc and she just wouldn’t listen sometimes.

It got so bad that sometimes we would just argue about various things like what I mentioned above that we would have shouting matches. Still, she would not move out. I even made it explicitly that she needs to consider my feelings and respect that this is my place and my property. And that I wish to live by myself. She would not listen. She even talked about bringing a dog in my flat!

I have no clue what to do without hurting our relationship. To be honest, it got to a point where I don’t really want to hang out with her anymore. I do so when I feel bad for her not having been outside for weeks cos she would not go outside without me. I start to find her voice annoying. I hate that she would just come into my room without me saying come in (after I explicitly told her not to multiple times). I hate that I have no privacy in my own home. My friends suggested I actively encourage her to move out in a helpful manner, for example helping her to find a new place. I don’t know whether that would work since she has no problem not moving out after I asked her to multiple times over the last few months. She is starting a new job in a few months which would require her to travel for an hour and a half if she were to stay with me. She still would like to stay with me indefinitely! And she is hoping she can work from home full time! The good thing is she actually started to look at the rental market (but I’m not sure how serious she is).

What should I do next and how do I stay sane in the meantime??

OP posts:
Autumntimes · 19/03/2022 18:30

I just realised I posted a wall of text!! Thank you for everyone who takes up the time to read it. Really appreciate it!!

OP posts:
FrecklesMalone · 19/03/2022 18:47

The least harmful thing to do for your sister is to ask her to move out. Give her a clear timeline. It will be upsetting but not as upsetting as you losing it with her.

Gazelda · 19/03/2022 18:49

Does she pay rent to you?

MarshmallowSwede · 19/03/2022 18:54

Give her a deadline to move out and you have to stick to that. She might be angry but you’re entitled to your own space.

It might also help to tell your parents what your deadline is as well. You are going to have to be firm and say “sister you have one month to move out”. Or whatever the timeline is you wish her to leave in.

If she doesn’t have anything in that time frame then tell her she has to go to your parents home.

Sometimes you have to be hard on people to help them. She needs her own place as you want your home back.

Bananalanacake · 19/03/2022 19:06

Does she pay towards bills and food.

Clymene · 19/03/2022 19:09

Tell her it's not working for you. Give her 6 weeks to find somewhere else

NeverDropYourMooncup · 19/03/2022 19:14

Send her back to your parents. You aren't her mother and it's time she was somewhere else. They can help her get her own place.

Easterbunnyiswindowshopping · 19/03/2022 19:19

Have a friend wanting to come and stay. Give her the date she needs to vacate. Have a burly friend help her pack...

Beautiful3 · 19/03/2022 19:24

I agree with other posters, give her a fixed date to vacate e.g. 6 weeks seems reasonable. Help her pack and take them to where she's moving to. If she has nowhere to live then take her to her parents house.

RagzRebooted · 19/03/2022 19:26

It sounds like OP has already given a time line to move out last year, this hasn't worked. So giving her another is unlikely to work either!!

Eddielizzard · 19/03/2022 19:33

You're not hurting the relationship, she is. She clearly is taking advantage and she doesn't care. What other options does she have? Can she move back in with your parents?

Autumntimes · 19/03/2022 19:49

Thank you everyone for commenting!!!

Unfortunately she can’t move back in with the parents as they are out of the country.

I let her stay rent free for close to a year as our parents are paying for her Masters. I didn’t want them to spend extra money on her rent when I have a spare room so I let her move in, providing that she moves out last year in November. She did not.

I have since started charging her rent (which my parents are paying for) while she was looking for a job. Things were ok for a month or so when I thought she could stay for another year paying rent.

Huge mistake

We had a huge fight two months ago when she accused me of not loving my family or having any family values as I did not want her to stay. And that I rejected her demand for getting a dog for herself in MY place. I have since then actively tried to avoid speaking to her as much as I could (although I still hung out with her a few times). It completely changed how I felt about her and I just feel like I’m not stuck in a bad relationship.

She is starting her new job in September. I would like to ask her again to move out nearer time. What do you guys think? Between now and then, our parents will still be paying me her rent and bills.

She would like to stay here for a bit more after September to see how her new job situation is. Frankly I don’t see why she needs that. I just think she can move out in September. (I know I’m being too soft ..)

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godmum56 · 19/03/2022 19:51

foot down pack her stuff and take it to your parents. Tell her she can go along with her stuff or make her own way there. Apart from her bing the abuser and you getting abused you HAVE no relationship!

IncompleteSenten · 19/03/2022 19:52

The relationship is already fucked.
It can either be fucked with her taking the piss in your home or fucked with her out of your home.

EthelTheAardvark · 19/03/2022 19:54

Tell both her and your parents that she WILL be moving out by the end of April, you will help her to find somewhere but it is non-negotiable. If she doesn't move, wait till she goes out, pack her things up and put them outside the door, bolt the door and text her to say she's not coming back.

cooldarkroom · 19/03/2022 19:56

If your parents pay her rent, then she can just go.
Tell her she has already ignored the dead line.
You tried to help, but you always wanted to live alone & you are not compatible. Its not a case of loving your family, its a case of not loving cohabiting,
You give her 6 weeks notice & if she refuses to get organized, you will get her evicted (by the police if necessary) & change the locks

SpacePotato · 19/03/2022 20:01

Tell your parents they can pay her rent elsewhere then.

GettingItOutThere · 19/03/2022 20:04

your relationship with your sister is ruined now anyhow

give her 2 weeks to get out, she can rent a room in a flat share. i think2 weeks is generous

until september is mental - get her gone

Wafflesnsniffles · 19/03/2022 20:08

I would "help" her pack her bags.

JellybeansJelly · 19/03/2022 20:12

Honestly, apart from physically throwing her out, I don’t know what the solution is. It sounds like you’ve already told her and your parents that she needs to move out by a certain date, and they all ignored you. So another deadline like PPs have suggested won’t get you anywhere.

I assume you own your home? Maybe tell her you have another tenant lined up.

Outfoxedbyrabbits · 19/03/2022 20:13

I have no clue what to do without hurting our relationship.

Do you think your sister worries about hurting your relationship? Of course she doesn't - her behaviour shows she doesn't worry about you at all!

"You have repeatedly disrespected me and my home. You have one week to move out."

Then after a week put ALL her things outside and change the locks (or add a bolt).

What on earth was the dynamic like when you were both growing up that's resulted in this piss taking now?

SarahBellam · 19/03/2022 20:19

Her job starts in September? It's March now. What is she going to do for 6 months?

Porcupineintherough · 19/03/2022 20:25

Hang on a second.

Your sister wont lesvevthe house without you. She doesn't work. What exactly is the deal with her? Does she have special needs? Mental health problems? This isnt just a common or garden situation with one sibling mooching off another and driving them crazy, there's more going on.

HellToTheNope · 19/03/2022 20:28

Time to grow a backbone, op. Kick her out. She's has two weeks, and that's it. Sister or not, you are never going to be close to her.

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/03/2022 20:31

I agree with many posters suggesting you let your parents pay for a room as a lodger or similar. You are sacrificing your mental health for your sister, who does not seem grateful for all your help despite saving her / your parents thousands.

Have you had a look at what is available right now in your city? Spare room, rightmove etc? (Just for your peace of mind btw). I bet she could find something to move into for the remaining few months. She’d need to pass references perhaps. But 2 weeks more or less should be achievable on something listed as available now.

I think you could tell her to leave immediately as she isn’t paying rent and I imagine therefore is classed as a guest. However it would be better to give her a short deadline such as 2 weeks in writing.

Can your parents mediate? Do they ever come to the U.K. for a visit?