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shellyr1989 · 18/03/2022 21:52

posting for my sister..she has been seeing her bf for 3 years.. they get on well for the most part but something happened today that changed everything.. so long story short she knows bf always liked a gamble was always made out to be casual.. she has her sons first communion in may so has been saving money for this this past while and keeping it in a small tin in her kitchen roughly 700 pound.. long story short only person that knew money was in this tin was was her bf.. she got up this morning and realised tin had moved slighlty..kids cannot reach it its up high..so a few hours after this bf says hes going bookies to place a few bets on horses.. while he left she had the urge to check the tin and 100 pound was missing from it..confronts him when he comes home he admits it saying he had planned to just put it back..obviously this is not ok. in our eyes this is stealing.. her money they dont live together.. can people even recover from a gambling addiction or wud this be a sign of whats to come if she stuck around with him

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Jk24 · 18/03/2022 22:33

This is more than a gambling addiction. He is steeling from her. No way I would forgive this

Jamboree01 · 19/03/2022 00:18

A gambling addiction is really serious- and very difficult/ almost impossible to overcome. It shouldn’t be underestimated. If they are going to have a future, he will need to want to seek help for himself. If he is not at that point, better to end it now. Sorry to sound harsh, but there is no way I would be with someone who has a gambling addiction as, apart from all of the other ramifications, the financial ones can be catastrophic for a family. Ultimately, he has stolen from her child. I’d get rid… quickly.

Whatinthelord · 19/03/2022 00:23

Look at gamfam a brilliant charity for friends and family of people with gambling problems.

Clearly he has an issue if he is willing to steal from his partner to fund his gambling. It’s an addiction that will potentially have a massive impact on your sister….she’ll not be able to trust him until he addresses the gambling issue. People have lost their homes/savings etc to gambling addicted family members.

Bogeyes · 19/03/2022 05:35

Dump

Sparkling321 · 19/03/2022 07:34

Gambling and stealing, whats next….dump and run dont look back

Theyulelog · 19/03/2022 08:00

My ex had a gambling addiction. He set up a betting account in my name and bet literally everything plus overdraft in there. My bank statements said everything went to betfair.

With gambling comes stealing and lies.
Honestly she is better leaving him. Especially if she has kids. Run infact.

Bananalanacake · 19/03/2022 08:12

So good they don't live together, tell her to keep it that way.

Jellybean23 · 19/03/2022 08:15

I have a nephew with gambling addiction. While he lived with his parents, it brought them to their knees, financially. The lies he told were utterly convincing to them, he stole, defrauded someone of over £300k (went to prison), sole his brother's credit card and even had death threats against him. Eventually, they had to throw him out for their own sanity and financial stability and he went to live with his girlfriend, the poor woman.
He borrowed from his grandmother and paid her back with a cheque that bounced.
Gamblers will sink to any low level to get money and seemingly have no conscience.

Positivelypatient · 19/03/2022 08:20

Big fat NO, my exh was a gambler and kept us poor our entire marriage. He would clear our joint bank account so I'd have nothing to buy food with and we'd have to go cap in hand to relatives. This is a professional man, we had our own house etc. It doesn't get better and he is stealing from your sister too. Please advise her to leave him.

WouldBeGood · 19/03/2022 08:23

Apparently gambling addiction is really hard to overcome, because unlike with other addictions sometimes you do win! So the dopamine quest goes on.

He stole from her. I would not forgive that.

shellyr1989 · 19/03/2022 11:58

to make it worse even after she confronted him he went outside and she cud hear him listening to a horse race at Chleltenham on the phone. Instead of feeling shame he still needed to know how the horse race went.. he has crossed a line now that cant be uncrossed in my eyes

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barbrahunter · 19/03/2022 12:06

Another one with a gambling addict Ex. It's the same as any other addiction, it destroys lives. Your sister seriously needs to get rid of this man.

MintJulia · 19/03/2022 12:20

Never mind addiction!

He's a thief. Call the police and have him arrested. And dump him from a great height.

ugifletzet · 19/03/2022 12:49

@shellyr1989

to make it worse even after she confronted him he went outside and she cud hear him listening to a horse race at Chleltenham on the phone. Instead of feeling shame he still needed to know how the horse race went.. he has crossed a line now that cant be uncrossed in my eyes
He probably did feel shame. He would have been desperate to hear that his horse won so that he could tell her he'd be returning the First Communion money with interest. This is how gambling addicts justify it to themselves - they really believe they can win, and that winning will repair their relationships and make everything all right again. My 50-year-old cousin is a gambling addict. His partner broke up with him over it and he is now living with his elderly parents after falling seriously behind on rent. He handed his bank cards over to them so he can't gamble and he was sobbing with the shame of it. It's the saddest things I've seen, because on the surface his life seemed to be good. I think his partner made a wise decision. Addiction is like a third person in the relationship and it ruins more lives than just the addict's. Your sister needs to leave, OP.
AgentJohnson · 19/03/2022 13:03

He stole from her to feed his habit. She should feel very lucky that it’s only £100, next time and there will be a next time if she stays, it could be more.

Ihavehadenoughalready · 19/03/2022 21:53

Gambling addicts are by definition liars and thieves; thieves of your money, thieves of your time, and they lie, lie, lie, and then find new ways to lie.

Advise sister to stop seeing him.

I didn't know before I got married that my spouse was an addict. As time went on, it became clear that when he came home having won, he was on an absolute high, and when he lost, he tried to hide it.

It all came to a head when we had little children and I allowed him to take care of checking accounts and credit cards by himself, since I was busy with the kids and a part time job.

And then he kept not paying the credit card in full. Totally against my financial philosophy. I didn't understand why we didn't have enough money. I volunteered to take over the bills. Oh, no, he didn't want THAT, he acted like I was insulting him to even suggest such a thing.

One day, while he was at work and I had a moment, I went online and found transaction after transaction after transaction spent at our local casino, cash advances on the credit card! Money taken from our joint checking at ATMs repeatedly. Sure sometimes he won some back and deposited it, but we were not getting ahead.

At its worst, he would be gone the entire night, leave after I'd gone to sleep and sneak out, leave me with the kids, and I would have to work the next morning, and several times he would not be home in time for me to leave for work so he could take care of the kids. I would call and call and get voice mail. I would get madder and madder. I told him I would not lose my job due to his irresponsibility. This went on for several years until I had the realization that I simply must put my foot down and demand he seek help. He did, half-heartedly. He agreed to go to gamblers anonymous, but would even go gambling right after his meeting. He saw a psychiatrist and was put on meds, but could never seem to remember to take the pills, then stopped seeing the doctor. I could never again trust that he was where he said he was going to be. We agreed he would hand over all credit cards and the debit card and I would take over all financial responsibilities. We refinanced the house with cash out to pay the credit card debt. He begged me to "let" him have the debit card "so he could at least buy gas". Lies. All lies.

I gave one absolute ultimatum and then after the next episode of gambling, when he knew exactly what would happen if he did not return to therapy and continued gambling OUR money, I brought the hammer down, made my decision, and have not wavered.

Oh, the anger! How DARE I "throw away our marriage". How DARE I tell him what to do. How DARE I "break up the family". What would his family think? What about his reputation? Meanwhile, my family was happy I finally saw the light.

I had given this man so many extra chances out of misguided compassion and unjustified adherence to my wedding vows. He took such advantage of our pooled money. And I was not about to remain and worry every single day if I would be able to carry him financially, because that's what was happening. He was stealing family money for his own addiction and he was stealing time from his family by the hours and hours he was gambling. I would be at work and the kids would be in school and he would say he was at work but I could see from bank records that he was actually gambling.

I felt in the end that I was stalking his every move, that I was his mother, that I was his personal fixer, that all the money I was bringing in through my job was paying the bills and all the money from his job was going to gambling. I could not sleep well knowing he was out there throwing our money away. When I needed him to be a dad to his children, he would sleep like a lump on the couch while we all tiptoed around him. "Don't bother daddy, he's tired." Promise to do something with the kids? Nope, "I know I promised but I'm too tired."Broken promises and sad children and a mother who would try to compensate for all of it. Sure he was depressed. But he was refusing to remain in the treatment that might help him.

I've gone on and on, but THIS is potentially the life your sister can expect. Warn her off.

I support myself just fine. With two salaries and a small mortgage, together we had been struggling. Now that I'm on my own, in an apartment, I'm fine, and this just gels for me how much his gambling was affecting our finances, that I am financially sound on my own.

I have no idea if he still gambles, and now I don't care. I don't have to care anymore, and that is very freeing,

HellToTheNope · 19/03/2022 22:03

Staying with this man will be the biggest mistake of your sister's life.

Icecreamlover63 · 01/05/2022 19:57

My Daughter left her husband in January 2022. He had been given so many chances to stop gambling 2019, autumn 2020, summer 2021 and finally January 2022.
Each time his gambling increased!

He faked a break-in and stole £200 from a jar she was saving in. The police were originally called as she genuinely thought it was a break in. However SIL admitted it was him and my dd was furious. SIL spent over a third of their house savings, photocopied her credit card to buy tickets all so he could keep his own money for betting.
my dd health was effected and she was not sleeping SIL was starting to get controlling and abusive due to losses of his bets.
Dd walked away and hasn’t looked back. She has a promotion in her job. She has lost 2stone in weight and is much happier. SIL behaviour since they have separated has been disgusting.
TELL YOUR SISTER TO WALK IT WONT GET ANY BETTER

CanterburyTrot · 01/05/2022 22:17

Gambling addicts are by definition liars and thieves; thieves of your money, thieves of your time, and they lie, lie, lie, and then find new ways to lie

Its sad of course. They may even be nice people, I think it depends. But thats the reality. He actually stole from her. Not for food or because he couldn't pay the rent. But because of an addiction to a dopamine high he cannot control and that he will always always lose money in the end.

Like I said, very sad. But I would absolutely walk away from a gambler - it has the biggest effect on a partner in terms of future serious potential poverty. They may never recover stolen money, fake loans and credit, losing a home etc. None of this will they get back either, as a gambler will nearly always be broke and will never be able to repay once things get serious.

I would separate my finances immediately with a legal separation, then divorce.

CanterburyTrot · 01/05/2022 22:23

to make it worse even after she confronted him he went outside and she cud hear him listening to a horse race at Chleltenham on the phone. Instead of feeling shame he still needed to know how the horse race went

She's a fool if she stays with him

CanterburyTrot · 01/05/2022 22:26

sorry I see your sister is not married or even living together, they are just boyfriend-girlfriend. But he stole her son's First Holy Communion money in her own home. Thats low, you can't come back from that I'm sorry to say. I hope your sister see's the light and moves on.

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SunsetsArePretty · 16/10/2022 22:48

Addiction is a lifelong disease. Tempation (money) will always need to be hidden, along with bank cards/details. Start thinking of the next step to help. Perhaps talk to a GP and start an intervention. Unless he faces the fact he has an addiction, you're facing a very difficult situation.

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