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7years of ex hell

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MrsLMJ · 14/03/2022 13:02

My husband and I have a wonderful marriage and family. We have 7 children between us. He has 4 from an ex ex girlfriend, I have two from previous marriage and we have our child together. Everything itself is fine however we have had nothing but drama and chaos from his ex he had the children with, for the last 7/8 years. She’s a constant interference and likes to use the 4 children as weapons against myself and husband if she cannot get attention from him/us. She will refuse contact for no reason but then bring them anyway on the contact days. She will purposefully not send them with their correct school uniforms and will then send a text demanding my husband goes and collect from her. We have uniforms here for them all so we just ignore. To stop her going on and on she will be asked to drop them off herself for eg we are out as a family and to leave them on our porch or drop it to the school, she will become hysterical and abusive. when my husband left their relationship which is 8 years ago now, she took an overdose of pills whilst in charge of the kids. She has been obsessed with my husband for many years prior to their on-off relationship and after he ended it up to this day.We have had to have restraining orders on her for stalking and harassment where she couldn’t enter our road or adjoining streets. The courts awarded them both with joint custody of the children however he would like to have them full time.She was given a contact number in case of emergencies with the children only, that she abused repeatedly. His mother was 3rd party contact to collect and drop off the children originally but she found it impossible to continue as she herself would suffer abusive rants when collecting them and also text messages and phone calls. We had to change the court order to a contact phone only and not to contact my husbands mother anymore.
I tried to level with her as a mother and tried to help and be friendly to her to try and keep the peace and be a mediator with regards to the children. She would claim poverty many many times and demand money but instead I would buy her shopping essentials and drop them to her door rather than hand over any cash. I kept texts simple and straight forward regarding the children and any issues with the children in our care. I managed to keep that peace for almost two years with only minor issues.
Recently since September last year she has been becoming increasingly more obsessed with my husband even though he refuses to speak to her for all the stress she’s put the children through and allegations that he abused her and r** her whilst they were together, that she’s still together with him although he’s moved on since her and had a previous partner before we met and got married. I’ve had fake Facebook accounts set up in my name by her and she’s even gone as far as to message me personally after I had a miscarriage, to tell me she’s been having an affair with my husband and congratulated me for losing the baby. She was arrested after this and released on bail with strict instructions not to create fake accounts and not to make contact, stalk or harass us again or she will face prison. She’s had constant social services involvement with neglect and her drug habits that they are “working with her on”. She makes demands that my husband goes to her home regularly for silly things that aren’t needed despite the court orders For eg. The childrens PE kits. They don’t have PE on the days we have them but she will demand anything she can to make him acknowledge her and to go to her home. When I ask her to drop the PE kits into the school if it’s really necessary, she will go crazy and become unhinged.He doesn’t give in to her demands and no one can blame him for that.
She’s responsible for dropping the children to our home now her restraining order is over, my husband is responsible for dropping them to school.He works every day so that’s why she has to bring them to me. She isn’t allowed my husbands number and isn’t allowed direct contact with him which is in the court order. She has to use a third party contact phone. She will message or call constantly and If we ignore her she gets worse and vile and abusive via text where we have to switch the phone off. She will make claims that the children are seriously ill and require hospital care, we contact the hospitals to find they aren’t even there.She would sometimes refuse the children to come over as she cannot afford the taxi fare and demand that unless my husband comes back from work early to collect them from her we won’t see them. When she’s told that’s not possible she tells the children we don’t want them to come. She still brings them anyway but she likes to make us think we won’t see them.
Now our children are older we all have each others phone numbers and can contact them ourselves without going through her and the contact phone. Contact days and times are set in stone although she will always bring them a lot later, so the need for future contact via their mum isn’t needed anymore and with the daily and endless texts messages from her that aren’t even emergencies, just her starting unnecessary drama have become so bad we have had to block her number from the phone to stop it. She’s now doing it using our childrens phones to make contact with us directly and again it’s nothing urgent, just vile messages that we ignore. It’s unfair for our children being put into that situation. They are having a hard time living with her and two have asked to live with us. We don’t know how to handle this situation and me trying to be her friend just doesn’t work. I thought I could deal with her but I absolutely cannot deal with the way she behaves. She cannot handle being completely blocked and is spiralling out of control in front of the kids. They come over and tell us their issues and we inform the schools so the children can express their feelings to their teachers about home life so they are aware and myself and husband cannot be accused of putting ideas into their heads. We won’t speak badly of their mother in front of them and they know they have a happy home when they are with us.we don’t want yet another social worker in their lives they have had years of it with their mum but we are at a complete loss of what to do.she claims to have mental health issues but I’m not a dr and cannot say if this is true or not, even still she cannot treat us and the children this way and her behaviour does show that somethings not right but I cannot make that judgement. What would any parent do in this situation? She’s blocked currently and she would have to take the situation back to court to be judged accordingly if she should still have to have a contact number and that’s something financially she cannot afford. Any advice would be great. Thanks. Sorry it’s long winded.

OP posts:
Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 14/03/2022 13:07

Document everything, gather all the evidence you can and get yourself to a lawyer for a non molestation order. The woman is unhinged and this could escalate especially if she goes around making public accusations of criminal behaviour. It could have serious professional consequences for your husband. Get ahead of it, and see a lawyer and put mechanisms in place to stop this stalking and harassment. You might want to consider going for custody as well if you are worried about the children's welfare.

lemongreentea · 14/03/2022 13:10

I know you are venting on here but you will get some really good advice if you shorten your post. Sorry OP was too long to read.

RosiePosieDozy · 14/03/2022 13:31

I am not saying what this woman has done and is doing is right in any way but your husband having four children with her says more that a fling to me. It would take it's toll on anyone to have four children with a man who then leaves you.

Regardless, you need to protect yourselves and both of your children. I am not sure of the legalities but you need to look in to applying for full custody and is there any possibility that you could adopt the children?

MrsLMJ · 14/03/2022 13:52

I’d love to adopt them I love them like my own children. We have done everything possible with the law and we’re granted temporary custody of them whilst she had a drug test. She failed it with a cocktail of drugs in her system. Social services promised the courts they would work with her to get off the drugs and be a better parent and we then had to hand them back after 3 weeks which is unfair. They are no longer involved with her and the 4 are taken off of the child protection system. She’s still actively taking drugs and you can smell it on the childrens clothes when they come over. The school say that at the moment they don’t see it needing the safeguarding team involved as the children have expressed their issues, the mother has been spoken to and has down played a lot of the issues they have reported. I’m completely at a loss. Do I keep her blocked for our own sanity and peace or unblock her so she still has access to stop her using the kids phones? Trust me I don’t need the stress of her anymore. 7 years is a long time xx

OP posts:
Quitelikeit · 14/03/2022 14:00

You will know that if you feel a child is a risk of serious harm you do not have to send them into harms way.

Also if they are with their mother and you suspect she is high and unsafe to care for the children you can send the police to do a safety check (you should only do this if for example the children have contacted you to tell you) don’t do this just because you suspect it without a basis

I would absolutely block this woman. Email address only.

I’m assuming the court has decided she is still entitled to 50/50 care?

MrsLMJ · 14/03/2022 14:06

Yeah 50/50 so long as she makes the changes set out by social services and the courts. She had to do an 8 month check in with two meetings a month to check her progress and eventually they were ended and the children taken off the child protection order and scaled down to early help which has also ended now. The children come to us and we don’t ask questions about home life, they tell us off their own back. I’ve tried speaking to her about some issues raised but it just sparks nasty responses. So we thought the schools would be the best way for them. They are having weekly check ins with the teachers for their emotional support x

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Quitelikeit · 14/03/2022 14:16

You could keep evidence of her abusive messages and record everything the children say and take it back to court?

MrsLMJ · 14/03/2022 14:40

That’s probably the only thing we can do. The children have been told not to tell us anything yet they do maybe getting them to write it down so it’s them in their own writing so the courts can see it themselves. She could easily claim we have prompted them to do it though xx

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MrsBertBibby · 14/03/2022 14:50

Please don't get the kids to write it down.

How old are they?

MrsLMJ · 14/03/2022 15:17

Between 7 & 12 xx

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MrsBertBibby · 14/03/2022 16:41

Ok so clearly she has reason to resent you both as you were already involved during her pregnancy.
I really doubt you are helping at all. Your efforts at "friendship" must be fuel to the fire.

You should back off and let the actual parents sort this.

MrsLMJ · 14/03/2022 18:51

I was never involved with him when he was with her and I didn’t even know him then. Where has that come from?

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MrsLMJ · 14/03/2022 18:58

@MrsBertBibby

Ok so clearly she has reason to resent you both as you were already involved during her pregnancy. I really doubt you are helping at all. Your efforts at "friendship" must be fuel to the fire.

You should back off and let the actual parents sort this.

Where did you get that from? I didn’t even know him then. I met him when he was single I certainly wasn’t involved with him when she was pregnant. They split long before I came on the scene. She has no reason to be this way towards me or any of us.
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Easterbunnyiswindowshopping · 14/03/2022 18:59

Not sure how she has any contact.. Parental alienation is an offence now. She is dangerous and off her head op.

Cloverforever · 14/03/2022 19:00

Her youngest is 7 and you say you have been together for 7/8 years?

foorisajar · 14/03/2022 19:22

@Cloverforever

Her youngest is 7 and you say you have been together for 7/8 years?
I presume the 7yo is their shared child?
MrsLMJ · 15/03/2022 11:04

They split and he moved out before she found out she was pregnant and he continued to support his children and the baby. I met him when his youngest was 4 months old.

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MrsLMJ · 15/03/2022 11:06

@Cloverforever

Her youngest is 7 and you say you have been together for 7/8 years?
Yeah she really is off her head. We tried email contact with a certain contact email and she was abusive with that too so the account was closed down to stop her. Xx
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MrsLMJ · 15/03/2022 11:11

@easterbunnyiswindowshopping. Yep she really is. It’s not fair on the children the way she behaves. My husbands so emotionally drained with it all. It’s very stressful and all we want is for the children to be settled x

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MrsBertBibby · 15/03/2022 11:33

Parental alienation is an offence now.

Where did you learn this?

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 15/03/2022 11:52

It doesn't really matter whether there was some crossover between him leaving her and the DC and meeting OP, or not. What matters is the welfare of the DC and her continued harassment of OP and OP's DH.

OP I think you have to continue this via the legal route. You've tried being friendly and it's failed. I know there's an order for 50/50 but if 2 of them now want to live with you full time, and they are now old enough to have their wishes taken into account, this can be challenged.

I don't think SS are going to be much help here. I'm assuming she was originally on class As and is now "just" smoking weed (as you say you can smell it.) If the children are fed, clothed and not being physically beaten, SS are most likely not going to give a toss. They are hugely underfunded and their priority has to be children at risk of imminent physical harm.

Sounds like school are supporting as much as possible, which is great. Is there any CAMHS involvement?

MrsBertBibby · 15/03/2022 12:13

It doesn't really matter whether there was some crossover

I imagine to the children's mum, it really really does! She was on her own, pregnant with 3 young children (a 12 year old now was 4 8 years ago, so she had 3 preschoolers and a lone pregnancy) and suddenly the dad has a new woman. I imagine she believes, not without reason, even if wrongly, that the dad left her for the OP.

I would think she hates the OP's guts. Sorry OP, but surely you can see why she hates you and your perfect marriage and your perfect life. So really, butt out. Take a back seat. This is your husband's mess to deal with.

MrsLMJ · 15/03/2022 14:53

@mrsBertBibby There was no crossover!! I was not the “other woman” and the reason for their break up. They split and he was with another woman before me like I said. I met him long long after. She has no reason to hate me as you say she does. I came along after and I’m sorry but she’s done nothing but make accusations he’s a r**t and abuser out of spite and targeted me. But still she fantasies they are together and doesn’t see any wrong in her actions. I won’t butt out I’m there for the children and that’s all that matters here.

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MrsLMJ · 15/03/2022 15:00

@EvenMoreFuriousVexation. Not that we are aware of with CAMHS. eVen though we have asked the school to step in and keep meeting with them, the children say they are told not to say anything to anyone about home life or they will be taken away. It’s heartbreaking and we are in a situation where the kids will tell us everything but tell the school some of the things out of worry for getting in trouble with their mum. We cannot influence the teachers to get safe guarding involved we can only tell them what’s said to us but if the kids won’t open up fully to them, we just look like trouble makers when all we want is for them to be ok xx

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Iuwiwo · 15/03/2022 15:31

She's so bad but he went and had 4 children with her. Leave him and her to it and stop getting involved. Let him take responsibility. He sounds useless