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I don't know how to "be" around my now ex-partner, in view of circumstances of our separation. Please help ...

19 replies

Twoddle · 04/01/2008 12:52

Ex-dp and I met as teenagers. I thought we evolved together - he now says he changed for me, so he wouldn't lose me ... though for 10 years or so, he seemed incredibly content, fulfilled and loving of life and me.

About 18 months ago, not long after the sudden death of one of his closest friends, he became what I can only describe as "high" - quite full-on, high-octane in the way he lived his life: hiring limousines, buying two sports cars, ordering a yacht. He also slept with a prositute on a stag do.

We had counselling, and by December 2006, things calmed down briefly, and then he became very depressed for about six months, not getting out of bed in the morning, feeling occasionally suicidal and getting little pleasure out of life.

He went on an intensive therapy course in September 2007, and came back really "high" again. He proposed straight away (before I'd realised how up he was), I tentatively accepted, and then withdrew over the next few days when I saw how "up" he was again - I said let's leave it for a few months, for life to calm down.

He spent the next two months out almost constantly with single friends, spending like a demon, living so fast-paced, hatching projects and business ideas, on the phone so much ... and got intimate with a girl in a club and began seeing her casually, booked up prostitutes - including a couple at a time - and then, in late November, due to the strained time we'd been having, we separated ... after which I found out about all these infidelities, and how mortally rejected ex-dp felt by my uncertainty around the proposal.

We've since talked about events, and while I feel it's never acceptable to be so unfaithful, he feels it had to happen. He is sorry he hurt me, but does not feel he did wrong. I still see him regularly because we have a three-year-old son who doesn't like separating from me (understandably!), and ex-dp behaves as though nothing has happened. He is so happy, upbeat, full of ideas and optimism, and today arrived at my parents' house to collect ds - and behaved as though nothing at all had happened, even though he knows they know what he's done. My dad was in tears about this the other night - the first time I'd ever seen him cry. But the pain is lost on ex-dp.

I find it bewildering, alarming, that he can be so unemotional, so unfeeling. He isn't thinking at all about how this may affect ds, about how much hurt has been caused by the order in which he chose to do things; how he chose to conduct himself - says he thinks it will be best for all of us in the end, and then cracks on, all upbeat. He only seems interested in the many things he is doing and buying; not in the people in his life, nor the pain they may be feeling. He is a different person to the person I was with for the ten years or so before his first "high" 18 months ago.

And yet I cannot let go. I truly love the person he was, and wanted/want a family and future with that person. And although I prep myself to be cool and dignified when I see him, I go to pieces when he arrives; his indifference, lack of emotion, hurt desperately. I can't sever ties out of self-protection, because of ds - so how do I "be" with him? Where do I place myself, mentally, moving forward? Or is it simply a process which will take its own course ...

Argh. Just having a shit time dealing with it today and need some help. And I'm 30 in a month and I think that's getting to me - it will be a very different milestone to what it might have been.

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fireflyfairy2 · 04/01/2008 12:56

Has he looked into the high & lows? It sounds a bit like he has bipolar disorder...

Sorry, that's all I wanted to ask, I hope in time you can sort it out xx

MerryKIFmas · 04/01/2008 12:58

he sounds bi-polar. That's really hard to deal with. Would be a good idea to get him soem psuch support - but that is much easier said than done. Bipolar people (esp during high phases) can be extremely persuasive that they're 'fine' so don't seem like obvious candicates for treatment.

fireflyfairy2 · 04/01/2008 13:01

Do you know his family history? That often comes in handy when trying to diagnose bipolar.

I know this doesn't excuse the infidelity or the prostitutes, but when one is on a high/elated/manic phase of bipolar they really think they can do whatever they want, without stopping to think of others. Without the right medication people who have bipolar disorder find it almost impossible to live a normal family life

There is often a huge time span between highs & lows with bipolar, could be 5 years between highs... without medication.

MuthaHubbard · 04/01/2008 13:54

Hope I don't offend, but given all his other behaviour, do you think part of the 'high' could be drug related?

MumRum · 04/01/2008 14:04

I did think drugs as well...

tiredemma · 04/01/2008 14:08

As others have said- he sounds Bipolar.

Baffy · 04/01/2008 14:46

Aside from whether or not he does have an illness, I can totally relate to how you are feeling and the uncertainty of how to 'be' with him.

(Very briefly, my H and I separated just over a year ago after 14 years together, I've since found out about affairs, we have a 2 year old ds, and I too am 30 very soon!).

Like you, I don't believe H was unhappy all the time we were together. Far from it. But a few massive life changing events in quick succession changed something in him, and he has now become a man I just don't recognise.

While I still yearn for the life we planned and the life we could have if the old H would come back, I think that I am starting to accept that I need to plan a new life that doesn't involve him.

He tries to act 'normal' with me, even hugs me when I'm leaving etc. And each time I used to let him do that it would break my heart just a tiny bit more.

I find that the best way to deal with it now is complete distance. Physically and emotionally. We drop ds off to each other via grandparents whenever possible. (Even though somewhere deep down I want to see him. I have to be strong!)
I'm not 'nice' to him anymore - what I mean by that is that I don't make small talk anymore as if everything is ok and he hasn't just crushed my heart and taken away all my hopes and dreams. I'm not only starting to protect my heart, but am also showing him through my actions that I am not prepared to tolerate his behaviour anymore and unless he takes the steps to make serious changes himself, I really don't want anything more to do with him.

I know that hurts him and he wants me to be nice to him. Almost to ease his guilt. But I think you need to be totally cold with him from now on. Obviously this is just my humble opinion. But make it clear that he can't just waltz in acting as though nothing has happened while you're in bits trying to pull your life back together.
Communicate about ds, amicably, but stop the conversation the minute it moves off the topic of your baby. Make this about you now. It's been about him for too long.

I can't begin to advise on the medical side of things as I have no experience. Perhaps that is something you could suggest he gets help with? Would he even listen?

But really for the moment, that isn't your problem.
Take your life one day at a time and focus on you and ds. Try to plan something special for your 30th with family/friends and start making some happy memories for 2008. Anything, a party, a special meal, a short break away, a few days in disneyland paris with ds... anything that creates special memories and is focussed around you and your baby.

I know it's the most rubbish thing people say - but time does heal. I didn't believe it myself, but it's starting to happen for me. It will get easier I promise

Twoddle · 04/01/2008 15:19

Thank you all.

I had been wondering about bipolar on and off for a year, but particularly in the couple of months after he returned from his September residential course. When I have tried to suggest he get some help, or consider it, or calm down/go to bed earlier/stay in for a change, he has blown up at me, and he's never been particularly explosive/aggressive. He doesn't think he is unwell, and can explain - extremely lucidly - why each extreme mood of the past 18 months has occurred. I think I'd got through the first few weeks after the separation by trying to help him; hoping, almost, that he was ill - that it was his illness that had caused this hurt, not the lovely person I knew.

I would say he still isn't quite 'right' - doing some very flamboyant things, taking on several business projects simultaneously, having a car built, etc. And the lack of emotion. And yet he is very clear, confident, positive, charming - beguiling. Circumstances aside, he seems upbeat and balanced, and I seem like the wobbly one!

I don't think I can do anything about the bipolar concerns, really. I spoke to two of the people who ran his course, one of whom has family members with bipolar, and they both sensed he was manic by the end of the course. And while I'd thought that a manic episode might last several months at a push, because it would be so exhausting, I found out yesterday that it can go on for a year or more. I can't wait around to see if something 'clicks' in him - although I would love to be able to tell ds when he's older that I did everything I could to keep our little family together.

I dunno ...

Good advice to put me and ds first though - I'm hearing this a fair bit from friends too. It's right - it's just that it's painful, too. I keep asking why, analysing, trying to make sense of what the hell has happened, and I may never get answers. My brain doesn't handle that so well! I've also had a few days where some good friends have been very candid and said I need to stop talking of this as 'time out' or a 'breathing space': it's over. It's probably true, but it hurts.

I miss the old dp enormously, I really do.

Thank you all. Hope my period comes soon - PMT not helping!

x

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Baffy · 04/01/2008 15:54

There's nothing to say that this isn't 'breathing space'. You have very deep love for each other and a child together.

But I understand what your friends are saying, because if you accept that it's over, then you can stop letting him hurt you and begin to heal.

There really is nothing to say that there isn't a future for you both. But that future would be a brand new relationship. Built on new foundations. And it may take him 1 year, it may take him 5 years, to finally sort himself out.

After that time you may still feel the same and want him back.

Or you may have moved on and be happy with someone who you will never have to doubt and who would never treat you so badly.

But the only way for you to get through this bit is to live your life as though it is over. Just like he is doing.

Time/fate may bring you back together. But don't wait around letting him call the shots. You're in charge of your life so start doing whatever makes you happy. Ok you can't have the 1 person you want right now - but you can have anything else you want! Try to focus on that.

{{{hugs}}}

Twoddle · 04/01/2008 17:33

That's lovely, Baffy. Frank and fair and compassionate advice. Thanks.

I'm so sorry to hear about the pain you've been going through yourself. It sounds as though you are now turning a corner, which is heartening.

I'm cooking dinner - quick post - but will hop back on later ...

{{{ hugs to you too }}}

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Twoddle · 04/01/2008 20:17

Baffy, would you be willing to talk aome more about this via e-mail?

x

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Paddlechick666 · 04/01/2008 21:12

Twoddle, so sorry to hear you're experiencing this. it sounds really confusing and unsettling.

Baffy speaks wise words and is an amazing person. I am sure she can offer you a perspective that would be beneficial to you.

really hope things improve for you soon.

Twoddle · 04/01/2008 23:07

Yes, definitely confusing and unsettling, Paddle. Thanks for kind words - thanks all of you for your thoughts.

Feeling a bit better tonight - chats aplenty with friends, and Mumsnet helps. It's a rollercoaster ...

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Paddlechick666 · 05/01/2008 07:49

glad you're feeling better.

i also have an H who has behaved atrociously over the last 2 years. his presence has been very erratic and pretty infrequent.

he seems to be a bit more together recently and has been around a bit more.

he too rocks up full of touchy/feely behaviour which i have tried to tell him is inappropriate.

the last time this happened the discussion led to our agreeing to divorce. he says he can't handle a "relationship" right now but misses the cuddles etc.

i'm trying to find a solicitor now.

pinguthepenguin · 05/01/2008 16:54

Twoddle,

You've lost someone you loved deeply, so in essence, its a living bereavement. Give yourself time.

x

Baffy · 07/01/2008 09:15

So sorry Twoddle I haven't managed to get back on until now. I would be happy to chat more - I will CAT you xx

Baffy · 07/01/2008 09:16

Oops CAT didn't seem to work but I'm still happy to chat via e-mail or something if you want to.

Twoddle · 08/01/2008 17:17

Yes please, Baffy. Don't know how to CAT though - will investigate ...

Thanks

x

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