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Long marriages - what does love feel like ?

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GeneLovesJezebel · 06/03/2022 08:05

I’ve been married over 25 years. We’ve had our problems, and I’ve consulted a solicitor in that time, so not a fabulous marriage . Just a normal one I think.
But I’ve been thinking about how love feels after a long marriage. I don’t think I love my DH, I have an affection for him as the father of our kids and due to our long history , but I don’t adore him like I used to. We no longer have sex, so there’s no passion and physical need anymore.
Is it normal to go into a ‘companion’ role, or do others still feel ‘love’ ?

OP posts:
Whoamireally22 · 06/03/2022 09:48

Good discussion OP. It’s sad though when I can say the same only after 11 years of marriage. I’m looking for the stories to help me believe that it’s possible to ignite something after it’s not there anymore. We absolutely can’t separate without causing tremendous hardship to everyone involved.

Baruchd · 06/03/2022 11:58

We have been married well over fifty years. There have been ups and downs of various sorts over the decades, some serious, others trivial. But here we still are, waiting for death to us part.

I have been thinking recently about love, partly just as you do when you get old, looking over your life and so on, but also partly stimulated by a granddaughter's questions about loving a partner, how that sort of love is different from her love for her mummy ... and so on. (She is looking ahead, has been talking with friends, and reading, reading ...)

I do not really have answers. But some thoughts. Of course some love is better, just as some sex is better. But ...

... I loved my children with a passion when they were small and dependent, a passion that seemed to diminish as they grew older and less dependent. But the depth of love involved between parent and child never really diminished, something brought home long ago by the acute unexpected emotional response I experienced when they left home.

I have never wept as many tears, even for a parent's death, as when I stepped into my oldest's empty bedroom the day she left; I was prepared for this with her younger siblings, though otherwise the experience was the same. But I was glad for those tears -- happy for what they showed me about my love for these children. (I write this through tears, btw, old age definitely makes you weepy!) Happy too, now, for the lives they have made for themselves, dependent as those lives are on that first bond-breaking long ago.

Recently I have been involved with grandchildren. And I have found the passion of love to have returned; different, indeed, from that I experienced with first-time-round children, but just as overwhelming -- and unexpected, though it seems not at all unusual, as a cursory survey of grandparents will show. Some of the deepest happiness of my whole life has arisen from the most humdrum and banal interactions with grandchildren; I will not expatiate.

Now grandchildren, like children, grow up and away ... a process already well on the way, of course, even evidenced by the questions about love I mentioned above.

Do I love my grandchildren? Huh? Of course I dote on them. I love them deeply. But that love now is different from the love I felt for them as tiny defenceless experience-machines. And that love those 'loves' , in fact, now we start to count are different in important ways from the love (or 'loves') I felt, and feel, for my children their parents.

That is by way of preamble. What of the love between me and my old partner? You can guess, perhaps, by now. We are still in love. But of course that is different from those heady days we bated breath and waited to meet again to tear each other's clothes off -- or, perhaps, on other occasions, just to talk again with someone who understood. That was good. But so were the times we ... well, lots of stuff can go here.

Point is, there are different sorts of love, appropriate for different times, people, circumstances. Can we compare these different kinds? Not really. It makes no real sense to ask which was better, the first time we woke up in the same bed or that first evening such-and-such grandchild snuggled into me for reassurance. These different kinds of love are incommensurable : it makes no sense to try and rank them. They are/were all great; I would not have missed any; and together they have made my life worthwhile.

Oh, and yes we still enjoy sex. Maybe not as energetic these days, maybe not so spontaneous in its passion, but still intense and still enjoyable. Can we compare with sex as young 'uns? Not in any 'ranking' sort of endeavour that tries to say which is better. Sex now is different, like love: still nice, still something which makes life go (incomparably) better than without it, without it being in any sense better or worse than heretofore.

So enjoy, and try not to compare.

LizzieSiddal · 06/03/2022 15:16

Baruchd, you write so beautifully, I had a little cry reading it. Flowers

ShouldBeWorking23 · 06/03/2022 16:09

20 years in and I'm only hanging on till the kids get older really. Trying to find the right balance between keeping their lives stable and mine reasonably happy. I've tried my best but it feels like all give, no take at the moment

Genevie82 · 06/03/2022 17:22

@Baruchd that was really lovely to read Thankyou x

venusandmars · 06/03/2022 17:34

Agree so much with @Baruchd

dh and I have had almost 30 years together and I'd say now: tedious and glorious in equal measure.

Tedious becuase I know he'll leave the marmalade knife on the side in the kitchen leaving a sticky mark (for me to clean up), I know he'll rant pointlessly at certain things on TV, I know he likes clutter and souvenirs and all his old university notes, whereas I like clean lines and empty spaces. No doubt tedious for him because I leave the toilet roll with one sheet on it rather than changing it, or because I ignore him when I'm looking at mumsnet Grin. But these tediums are born from the longevity of our relationship and because we know each other so well that we can anticipate all the minor irritations that might arise.

But then, I have a choice. I could choose to encourage (within myself) a rising tide of upset feeling at every predictable irritation, something that could swell into real anger or hurt. As could he with my many foibles and eccentricities.

So I choose. I choose to deliberately love him, to buy him things he might like, to visibly close down my computer so I can listen to him having a particular rant, to switch off a TV programme I'm half-heatedly watching so that I can join him in bed before he falls asleep, and maybe have sex. And I think he does the same for me. When I was waxing lyrical about the smell of some fresia, he went and bought me two more bunches. When I broke a glass when I'd had too much to drink, he bit his toungue and cleared up in a kind way (and completely forgets that I've done it, no harboured grudge)

It is a choice I make, to think about him and about what is important in his life.

However, I am in no way a Stepford wife. I tackle issues head on, if they need to be sorted and it feels like we have a life that is equal in very many ways.

But also, it is glorious. Arising from the same longevity that brings forth tedium, is a genuine partnership, deep respect, mutual appreciation for each other's skills and quirkiness, tolerance for each other's failings (and our own). These days we laugh more about our shared inability to do any kind of DIY without making the problem worse. It is glorious to have shared memories of travel and adventures - even if one of us only remembers the route and history and the other remembers only the food and the people we met.

Post menopausal, sex is less frequent, but it is always warm and complete and tender.

He knows people I have loved and lost, and our shared memories of them help to keep them alive for both of us.

We still try new things together (although we're never ever going white-water rafting again). We completely appreciate the (few) shared interests, and make time for those. And we allow generous space for each of us to pursue our own hobbies and friendships (Ah those lovely times in a clean and quiet house!)

Against all the odds (you'd never match us on a dating site) he is my delightful companion.

When we were first together a key part of love was passion. Now a key part of it is compassion. Not in the sense of pity. But in a wider sense of grace, benevolance and the shared 'suffering' of our growing old together.

Sundancerintherain · 06/03/2022 17:39

30 years, DC flown the nest , it feels .....like a place of safety and comfort. He is my best friend and we are still very physically attracted to each other.

Thewookiemustgo · 06/03/2022 17:39

@Baruchd what a lovely piece of writing to read, especially during these awful times we live in presently. We need more love of all kinds at the moment and your post shows the very best of human nature, perfectly put. Wishing you many more years of happiness XX

bozzabollix · 06/03/2022 17:40

I’ve been married twenty years in June, together 27. I love being in a long term relationship, I can’t imagine anything else. We both have a problem with word retrieval at the moment, think mentally we’re getting older, but find that you can have a conversion with word gaps and because of how long we’ve been together we know what the other is saying. You can’t replace that. There’s a shared history there.

I love that we share the same values, are equally committed to the kids, the only things we ever argue about are petty. He does do my head in at times but it’s small stuff. It’s very easy.

Also make each other laugh, have the same childish sense of humour, I don’t know if I could ever be as foul in front of anyone else which might be a problem!

Masdintle · 06/03/2022 17:49

Oh hell. I've been spending a lot of time on here today because I can't be arsed to do anything else. I read the threads about how grim some relationships are and thank my lucky stars for my husband.

But then I read this thread and realise I'm missing out. I do love him but I'm not in love with him. We haven't had sex for 5-6 years. Been together 16 years so quite a lot of our relationship.

He's ageing massively quickly. He's boring. We don't chat, we don't talk. We do nice things like days out but it's ALWAYS me who organises it.

He had a well paid professional job so we're financially secure and have had some amazing expensive holidays. But is it enough? Would I rather be financially comfortable and bored or poor and on my own? No question, comfort will win.

But I do feel I'm missing out as well.

Interesting question, Op, interesting answers too. And it's making me think...

Whatsinaname321 · 06/03/2022 18:11

I’ve been with you husband for over 23 years and i feel the love is gone.
Our relationship is very different now to when we were first married.
I don’t enjoy having sex, I need to feel happy and emotionally connected to want to have sex and I don’t feel happy in the relationship.
My husband would like much more sex and that’s a huge pressure point.

I feel taken for granted and that my role has become wife and mother and not a lot else. I don’t want to be in a relationship where I feel I am constantly carrying the mental load.

We have had happy times but my expectations and what I want from a partner has changed.
I don’t want to take responsibility for all days out, all holidays, all meal planning, all medical appointments and child related stuff.
I want to be with somebody who shares the load equally, otherwise I feel I would be happier single.

I would divorce tomorrow if we didn’t have difficult family stuff going on and if we could afford to financially live separate lives.

Knickerthief1 · 06/03/2022 21:47

Been together 22 years and I'm still in love. It's not a fluttery stomach excited kind of love, it is love born of comfort and appreciation and similar interests. I love the ease and the trust within our relationship. Some may call that boring I guess. I felt a surge of love earlier because I was rushing around all morning and had said before the weekend that we would clean. Forgot all about it but came home to a clean house. Things like this make me feel loved and cared for. Our sex life is limited - probably 3 or 4 times a year - partly due to an autistic daughter who keeps late hours and very thin walls, and partly due to us both having a reasonably low sex drive! We often cuddle and kiss though and it doesn't change how close we are.

UpintNorth · 07/03/2022 08:46

@Baruchd your post is beautiful. Thank you for your perspective, it really has been valuable for me to read. Smile

Weatherwax13 · 07/03/2022 09:18

@Baruchd if you're not already a writer, you should be.
I've been with DH around 25 yrs. He drives me round the bend mostly.
We're very different people. On paper we shouldn't work at all.
But we have this "bond". Can't think of another word.
We have been through terrible, truly awful times. By far the worst being the death of my DS.
I nearly left him on more than one occasion early in the marriage (I always say the first 15 years were the hardestGrin)
More recently he's become far more emotionally open and I've become a lot more tolerant and less volatile.
The smell of his skin makes me feel....idk...just "right".
Maybe we're both totally primitive and it's just pheromones!
We've had dry patches but are currently having the best sex we've ever had actually. I couldn't tell you why.
I don't think we'll ever part. I do not believe in soul mates. But I honestly can't imagine being without him.
And now chances are he'll come into the room any minute and say something that'll make me feel stabby Grin

Roselilly36 · 07/03/2022 09:43

We have been married, 28 years this year, been together for 33 years, we met young, both 17. We have always been happy together, had a lot of stress over the years, family & business losses, my illness (diagnosed with MS 10 years ago) having our family. DH is very much a loyal, family man. He always puts us first, me & our now adult children. He always makes me laugh, he’s fun to be around. He is very ambitious & successful and works hard. He always compliments me and helps with my low self esteem (issue from childhood). He cooks and is always on hand to help me, as he WFH. He is my best friend & I know I am his. I would be lost without him. I feel guilty that I am not the same person he married, but he has been great and never made me feel “disabled” always pulls me up when I get low. My MS is now progressive and I know whatever the future brings he will be there.

mydogisthebest · 07/03/2022 10:03

We have been married 42 years and are still very much in love.

Of course both annoy the other at times but we like being together. We are best friends as well as husband and wife which we both feel is important. I would rather spend time with DH than anyone else and he is the same.

We share quite a lot of interests and always talking and laughing. Never run out of things to talk about even after so many years.

We celebrate our wedding anniversary every year and always do something for Valentines Day.

Sex doesn't happen very often but that is because we both have health problems, especially me but it doesn't bother either of us. We hug and kiss all the time

godmum56 · 07/03/2022 10:53

DH was my best friend and the only person whose company I preferred to being alone. I can't tell you what that love felt like anymore than I can tell you what having kidneys feels like.....only the fear pain and awfulness when he was dying and when he was gone.

QualityTweet · 07/03/2022 11:07

Baruchd

That made me cry a little bit. Your post was beautifully written

Weatherwax13 · 07/03/2022 11:08

@godmum56 I'm so deeply sorry for your pain and loss

Pyewhacket · 07/03/2022 11:16

Met my husband at university, got married shortly after we graduated. Three kids by the time I was 28. Been married 20 years, still feel the same for him. And I only consulted a solicitor when buying a house. That's normal !!!!!.

ToffeeNotCoffee · 07/03/2022 11:33

30 years, it feels .....like a place of safety and comfort. He is my best friend and we are still very physically attracted to each other.

This^ but without children (by choice) for us. Been married for 28 of those thirty years.

We celebrate our wedding anniversaries with champagne and cards. Our milestone silver wedding anniversary was spent at a pop concert. Other people will do things differently, of course.

mydogisthebest · 07/03/2022 13:25

@godmum56

DH was my best friend and the only person whose company I preferred to being alone. I can't tell you what that love felt like anymore than I can tell you what having kidneys feels like.....only the fear pain and awfulness when he was dying and when he was gone.
That made me cry.

I absolutely dread that DH will die before me. I am sure I could cope but I know I would not want to.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 07/03/2022 13:32

I'm not really sure people can cope with long marriages, up until fairly recently in history people would be dead quite young so you'd only have to tolerate each other for around 10 years.
Now you can be married for 70 years with increased longevity. I'm not sure I could stand anyone for that long.

Pollymollydolly · 07/03/2022 14:53

25 years and still completely in love. We have had a lot of difficult times over the years - illness, bereavement, money problems - and the one constant has been our strong relationship and our love for each other. As long as we have each other we will get through anything.

fallfallfall · 07/03/2022 14:58

Same question and same use of the weird word “adore”
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4496179-To-ask-if-you-all-adore-your-dh-or-in-all-honesty-are-any-of-us-staying-for-convinience
There’s care respect mixed in with fun and for us the ability to work well together.