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Would you feel betrayed? Or am I petty and paranoid?

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Furballfritter · 03/03/2022 15:33

Been with DP 19 months- not long I know, but intense. Not necessarily a good thing I know.

I’m a mum of one (dad not involved- a horror story in itself). My Partner (I’m in my 40s, not saying ‘boyfriend’ sorry!) has a child - very involved, 50/50, all good and very friendly.

I hesitate to say this, as I know how it sounds. And yes, I’ve heard it all before. But for context , he tells me constantly I’m the love of his life, that he’s never really known how it feels to properly love someone until he met me, that he never felt anything like this comfortable with his ex or anyone else. Etc etc.
He is very loving towards me and does do a lot for me- BUT can also be extremely difficult, rude, arrogant and patronising. Also, I find relationships difficult and have had a very bad experience previously- so I’m not very open or proactive which is a constant source of problems. All he wants is for me to show that I love him and to settle down. Or so he says.

When we first got together, his ex was dating someone new. They hadn’t been separated all that long, but had been together on & off over 20 years (married other people in between etc,) so a lot of history. I knew they were on fairly good terms from the start but at first there was some friction & he gave the impression they communicated purely about their son and it was civil but not overly friendly.

So I was a bit surprised when I first realised they still buy each other quite significant birthday & Christmas presents, and he goes to hers not only on the kids birthdays (she’s got another by someone else) but also on his. I can see that’s a nice thing especially for their son. He doesn’t stay all day or anything. So I’ve kind of got used to the situation, and I do like her, never had a problem with her.

Last week, we all went on holiday together! As you do. Her idea in fact. He & I broke up for a while late last year (another great sign I know). Turns out he was planning to meet them out there for this holiday (to ‘see his son’) - his ex with her new partner (same one she was seeing at the start) but he wasn’t going to stay in the same place as them allegedly. As he ‘thought it wouldn’t be nice for her partner’.

We had some blazing rows out there. He can get really nasty in arguments (I guess I can too), is very stubborn & arrogant and is never in the wrong.
To sum up why we argued- it niggled me constantly that he’s clearly got a massive problem with ex’s new DP. He was constantly rude and off with him. Made a comment in anger at one point, in front of all of us, because her DP was waxing on about something and got a detail wrong, so he butted in “NO, ex and I LIVED there for 2 years”. We had literally just had a conversation about how it came across as though he still had feelings for her because of this sort of behaviour. So I ended getting angry & telling him he was so rude, and we had a huge row with him calling me a liar (!) in front of his son, and accusing me of wanting him to cut contact with the mother of his child (NOT even close to anything I said or implied, obviously).

We then barely spoke for the rest of the afternoon, but he spent a bit of time alone with ex and their son. It later transpired (well this is the extent of what he told me) that he told her what I’d said and asked if she thought he was rude to her partner. Well, I was fully expecting her to say she knew where I was coming from but no, he told me she said she understood why he felt like that as she knows what kind of people he likes.

It also later transpired that he took some selfies of them in that time. I know they’re family , I’m not that unreasonable and wouldn’t normally have a problem - but given their conversation about our argument and her apparent reaction, yes I do have a problem with the coziness of it all. Also, it was when we were looking through photos on his phone (still on holiday- after we’d made up) that he suddenly got edgy and tried to distract me just before I saw the selfies. Then got defensive about it.

Another thing, and I know it’s so easy to write me off as mad, paranoid etc. he would if I dared mention it. But he once mentioned randomly that she prefers him with a beard. Why I needed to know that is anyone’s business.

So the day before we go on holiday, he mentions he’s growing a beard. My immediate thought was ok, is that for her?
The day we got back- he shaved it off.

When we got back to his, he had a load of deliveries of clothes for him etc. he opened one box then said ‘oh that’s not for me’ a bit sheepishly- it was a present he’d ordered for her birthday (a couple of weeks beforehand). I knew about the present, but thought he’d already given it to her.
He also mentions that my valentines present had still not arrived- I’m totally not bothered , he took me away the weekend before Valentine’s Day anyway and I’m not fussed either way, but he said he’d ordered something small. But as he was being a bit off with me, he said ‘oh well it’s not like you need another present from me at the moment is it’. Which I thought was a dig and a bit fucking rude as I’m really struggling with money and he’d just that day helped me out (temporarily)- (for context he doesn’t struggle for money at all, and that’s an understatement).

Anyway, we smoothed that over/ignored it and all was fine. Saw each other for lunch the next day, had a nice time. While we were away we’d talked about the fact that we should speak on the phone more in the week as we hardly ever do, and agreed it would help our relationship.

So that evening, after feeling quite good about us and him, I rang him. He didn’t pick up at first (unlike him) but called back 5 mins later saying he was putting his son to bed. When I said ‘oh, I didn’t realise you had him tonight’ he said (a bit sheepishly) he was at ex’s. Knowing all my insecurities and our arguments over the holiday, I felt a bit put out as this never happens. I asked why- he said he’d popped round to collect his uniform as she normally drops it off on a Sunday but he hadn’t seen them that day (he collects him from school on a Monday). I though a bit unnecessary, surely she could just stick it in his school bag? He said she’d gone to drop her other child at an activity (Sunday night 🤷🏻‍♀️) so he’d offered to put their son to bed. He knew I was a bit miffed & he asked to call me back in 5 minutes when he was in the car. He calls me back quite a while later - still at her house, waiting for her to get back supposedly. He ended up staying relatively late and called when he was home- acting all extra nicey nicey.

It was only the next day when I realised that obviously, he’d gone to take her present round. The dawning of this has really floored me, pathetic as that may sound. It’s the deception, the making lame excuses about the uniform, making out he was just doing a favour by putting their son to bed (they have NEVER been like this since we’ve been together, as far as I know). He’d never have gone round there of an evening before. Clearly, they arranged to spend some time together without me knowing and if I hadn’t phoned (considering I rarely do so he wasn’t expecting it ) I’d possibly not have known.

Since it dawned on me, I’ve felt stupidly betrayed. I’ve not said it outright to him- I’ve just said I’m really fucking hurt and I know he knows why, but is acting oblivious and has thrown the old ‘what are you on about, how have I hurt you? Taken you on holiday? Lent you money’ etc etc. feels as though I should be grateful and not speak up because of what he’s done for me. It’s the power imbalance. I feel that they’re closer than we are right now and I hate the fact that they had a conversation about our argument.

I realise it’s the longest post ever and exceptionally outing.

Am I overreacting?

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Furballfritter · 04/03/2022 10:20

@RoyKentsChestHair (no idea who he is, but love your username:D)

Thanks for your post, and I love that quote. Will keep repeating it to myself today. Obnoxious is spot on. Sorry you went through that too- and everyone else who’s experienced this kind of thing. They manipulate us into feeling like they think so highly of us. Then the dawning realisation that they don’t mean a word of it, it’s quite the crash back to earth.

You know why I think he decided to go to hers that night? I’d upset his ego by gently mocking his new clothes (he asked my opinion) I’d never be rude but didn’t want to just say yeah I love them, so made a bit of a joke of it. I couldn’t believe his reaction- clearly so dented, and not just in an offended way. Something a bit vicious. Narcissist right there.

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Furballfritter · 04/03/2022 10:22

@Skiptheheartsandflowers thank you, that’s good advice

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Furballfritter · 04/03/2022 10:24

And in all honesty, it isn’t about her really. This is just the last straw. I haven’t even got onto the most important point, which is how he speaks to my daughter. I won’t even go into that right now.

But yeah, the final final last straw.

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Furballfritter · 04/03/2022 10:26

*and by default my parenting skills- constant criticism, constant knowing it all and knowing better. Disapproval. The works. Jesus why did I stay so long???!!

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OrlandointheWilderness · 04/03/2022 10:31

"extremely difficult, rude, arrogant and patronising."

Do we need anymore?! The situation with his ex isn't on. My BF (we've only been together 9 months and are late 30s so completely agree with you about the term BF btw!) parents 50/50 with his ex. They are amicable and reasonable, parent really well together and both work to accommodate the other. They get on and it is bloody brilliant (one of the things I really loved about him from the start) BUT there are boundaries in place!

OrlandointheWilderness · 04/03/2022 10:31

Ah you stayed for the reason we all stay - you don't realise what it has turned into.

BeHappy91818 · 04/03/2022 10:39

Dump him.

Furballfritter · 04/03/2022 10:39

Thank you 💐
It’s comforting to know so many people agree that I shouldn’t tolerate this. I haven’t even spoken to any friends about him since getting back together - some don’t even know- because I know what they’d (rightly) think and I suppose I knew all along. Just from the ways he treated me before (nothing to do with his ex).

I allowed myself to believe it would all be ok, because I wanted it to be. But people don’t change as I well know from previous experience. Some people just never give up 🙄 about time I did.

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bluebird3 · 04/03/2022 11:57

I'm think you're correct in that people don't change. At least not much.

Someone might be able to respect your wishes about putting the toilet seat down or putting their laundry in the basket. But you would need him to change his entire relationship and outlook with his ex and his son and he's unlikely to do that, as it clearly suits him and he prioritises that over your relationship.

You deserve better.

Furballfritter · 05/03/2022 13:53

Well, I did it. Via text yesterday. Haven’t heard back.

Have to say, since hitting send I’ve felt so much better- in control, relieved. I know it’s the right thing.

Just keep remembering more and more things that all add up, and feeling a mixture of anger and relief.

Thanks for all your comments and advice, much appreciated x

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LizzieSiddal · 05/03/2022 18:29

Glad you’ve finished with him and that you feel better for it.Flowers

Furballfritter · 05/03/2022 19:07

Thank you @LizzieSiddal

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Lostmyway86 · 05/03/2022 19:13

Oh my goodness OP. Just read original post and was about to post a string of things, but I'm so so relieved you've ended it with him so I won't say it all again. I'm a step-mother and the thought of all the things you said to do with the ex were just horrific. You should never have been put through that. Find someone who loves and respects you OP, he didn't and was using the excuse of his child to treat you shockingly Flowers

RoyKentsChestHair · 05/03/2022 22:59

I’m so pleased you’ve made the break and more importantly that you feel good about it. If you wobble just try to remember the bad bits because (certainly for me!) it’s too easy to forget the bad bits and just remember the nice bits. I’ve got a list on my phone to remind me of all the crappy stuff when I start wavering.

Londoncallingtothefarawaytowns · 06/03/2022 09:14

@Furballfritter how you feeling this morning ?
I’m so glad you are taking positive steps before you wasted any more precious time or energy-truly, well done.
I wish we all could be this sensible and strong.
Good luck in the future!

Furballfritter · 06/03/2022 17:50

I’m feeling ok thanks, @Londoncallingtothefarawaytowns.
I’ve got a list too @RoyKentsChestHair! Had a verrrryyyy long list before - which I deleted- doesn’t make it all any less true though, unfortunately!
@Lostmyway86 thank you, I certainly haven’t felt respected by him. Time to move on…

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Furballfritter · 06/03/2022 17:54

I’d like to get this thread moved to relationships but can’t find the report button.. can anyone help me please?!

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Furballfritter · 06/03/2022 17:55

Oh just found it 🤦🏻‍♀️ Sorry!

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NameGoesHere · 06/03/2022 19:53

Walk away, he’s awful.

Crikeyalmighty · 06/03/2022 20:21

Thing is there are some guys who have a lot going for them - witty, intelligent, decent earners, not bad looking, can be fun and charming— so much so that it’s easy to shove to the back of your mind the rather less nice traits- temper, arrogance, know it all , lack of empathy , lack of prioritising you etc, etc — I think many of us do put up with a certain amount of twattiness that we just wouldn’t put up with in guys that had less to offer on paper. I suspect this guy was good ‘on paper ‘ OP and hence you were busy overlooking the less nice things about him— believe me I’ve been there.

BOOTS52 · 06/03/2022 22:54

I think you would be better off without him as too much drama and mind playing games and just stay single as peace of mind counts for so much. He is just enjoying all the attention and you will never be his priority, I know his son should always come first but his ex and the way they are just seems far too much to be dealing with and it seems he goes out of his way to antagonize you. Take some time apart so you can get your head clear but he sounds like a total arsehole and he will just break you down and you lose all your confidence. Please put yourself first as he will never be what you are looking for as he sounds unhinged and nasty.

BOOTS52 · 06/03/2022 22:56

Well done for putting yourself first and dumping his selfish ass. Do not reply to him if he tries to reel you back in with more love bombing as he will not change ever. You truly deserve peace of mind and to be relaxed and happy and he is full of drama and seems to thrive on it.

Tulipsandviolets · 06/03/2022 23:26

He definitely wants his ex back and using you

RantyAunty · 07/03/2022 07:23

Well done on getting rid.
You and your DD will be much better for it.

I do think their relationship is that on/off drama filled type that goes on for years and the people they are dating in between unknowingly get caught up in it.

Furballfritter · 07/03/2022 13:55

@Crikeyalmighty spot on. Sorry you’ve been there to.
Thanks @BOOTS52 and @RantyAunty.

@Tulipsandviolets that’s hard to hear, but it all seems to add up doesn’t it.

You’d also think that if he genuinely cares, and genuinely has no idea why I’ve binned him, he’d be in touch trying to have a conversation… but nothing. There’s my answer.

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