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Live: thread where H is clear that he hates me.

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canbelieveitcantbelieveit · 26/02/2022 01:56

As the thread title says.

It's long, it's complicated. I don't want to challenge him directly, we will have been married for 5 years if I can avoid saying it aloud for 6 more months.

Of course, it's not what he says, it's what he does.
I didn't ever want to marry again. He wanted it.
His DD who was 17 at the time warned me that he is a grumpy bastard - and how. His DS stopped speaking to H when his DS was 14, despite my best efforts they have seen each other maybe twice since, which I think is terribly sad.

He doesn't know how to talk about feelings, he doesn't seem to want to socialise, doesn't want me to work in my chosen career because even though I'm feeling too old for it myself it is my career. It was easy for him to persuade me to stop, as I say, I was exhausted and it was making me ill. He earns enough to support both of us comfortably.

We live in the middle of nowhere, anywhere I commute would be a long journey. I have tried working away, he doesn't like that either, he doesn't want me to stay away during the week.

I'm peri, the insomnia is excruciating. I fell asleep this afternoon and forgot to set an alarm. I take responsibility for that. When he came to bed at 11.30pm he woke me up, he needs silence to get to sleep. As he had woken me I wanted to go to the loo, get into my pyjamas and brush my teeth, which stopped him from falling asleep. Around midnight he stomped downstairs, he's still there now.

He says he does want to, but we don't have sex, he seems to avoid it. When I say that he doesn't cuddle me or even touch me, he cites the fact that he grabs me when I'm in the kitchen and I've got my hands full. I wouldn't say that it is affectionate at all.

We both come from difficult parents. I've done a lot of work on myself. Ex H says as much.
I don't think he knows how to love. Despite coaxing, cajoling and asking outright he can't talk about his feelings. Originally I had thought that he was avoiding talking about his feelings, but after all these years I'm not even sure that he is aware when he is feeling anything. Don't misunderstand - I don't nag him about it, this is just what has become apparent after being together for eight years.

Everyone, my friends and everyone thinks that he is 'so nice'. I smile along and agree with them, whilst thinking to myself if only you knew. They say 'you can see when he looks at you how much he adores you'. He's acting. That's not how he looks with me when we're home.

Sometimes I simply want to know how he feels about things.
Since we were married he has barely told me that he loves me, though he doesn't tell me that he hates me either. When I have asked whether he does love me he says 'of course', as though me asking is ridiculous.

If I want to talk to him he will respond to an email conversation.

I'm upstairs, he's still downstairs. I think that he wants me to chase after him, but I don't want to. Not this time. I'm worn out with it.

I feel like I've been living in an emotional vacuum for years, it makes me incredibly sad.

Sorry for the long ramble, I have no-one else to talk to.

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Redshoeblueshoe · 26/02/2022 02:13

That sounds really shit. I'm sorry. Can you afford to leave him ?

Onthedunes · 26/02/2022 02:21

Is there an age gap op ?

ImprobablePuffin · 26/02/2022 02:31

OP why did you marry him if you didn't want to? Were you coerced?

ClaryFairchild · 26/02/2022 02:35

5 years if this misery. And clearly his behaviour is nothing new. This is him. The "him" that everyone else sees when you're out is him masking. If you're this miserable now it's only going to get worse as time goes in. Do you REALLY want to spend the rest of your lives like this?

Rainbowqueeen · 26/02/2022 02:48

Sounds like you know what you need to do. Is it fear that’s stopping you?? We all support you here. You can end it, move away and have a happy life. I hope you do. 💐💐

Monty27 · 26/02/2022 03:14

Pack his bags and ship him out of your life.
In Mumsnet speak tlbtl
Tell the bastard to leave
Coined by myself don't do ltb

Monty27 · 26/02/2022 03:15

Ttbtl I should say

peacefullife · 26/02/2022 06:16

You’re not happy so end it

Bananalanacake · 26/02/2022 08:27

You do realise that him making you give up work was so he can isolate you. If you were to go out for a night with some friends would he stop you, or sulk just because you went out.

Merlott · 26/02/2022 08:29

Bin him off. He wanted a housemaid not a partner or friend.

canbelieveitcantbelieveit · 26/02/2022 15:10

I fell asleep after I wrote my OP. When he came upstairs at 3.30am I think he was hoping that I would be awake, wringing my heads, begging for his forgiveness. I was flat out Grin. He made some pissy comment about himself wanting to be asleep at 11.30pm (there was absolutely nothing stopping him). I pretended that I hadn't heard him and went back to sleep.

If I went out with a friend he would be fine. It wouldn't be a problem.

But all of my friends live a long distance away (where I went to Uni). We are a mix of female & male. When I see them it's a weekend thing, so he comes with me.

He's certainly not going to leave, this was his house before he met me.
No, I need to find a job, to get a mortgage. Also, (I think my OP says this) in 6 months we will have been married for more than 5 years.

After 5 years it's no longer considered a short marriage and I will be able to claim a larger proportion of the equity in this house I put money in when we were first together.

I'm not interested in his pension, savings will be 50/50 - when we were first together I was earning nearly as much as him but my outgoings were much less - I can prove that over the years I have put as much in as he has.

It's true that me not working = control. OTOH it's one of those jobs that you have to give your whole life to. Burnout is not an if but a when. I have had many female colleagues who have decided that they either have children and stop working in this field, or they don't have DC. I got close to burnout, my job was making me ill. Leaving was a no-brainer.

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FredWinnie · 26/02/2022 17:40

I think he was hoping that I would be awake, wringing my heads, begging for his forgiveness

Is he by any chance a game=player, OP?

canbelieveitcantbelieveit · 26/02/2022 19:08

I'm not sure whether he's a game player.

I'm guessing that you mean emotional games, rather than X-Box? Not being facetious, my friend has a DH who is always on his X-Box and it drives her nuts.

But no, H doesn't have any games console and I don't think he plays emotional games.

When he was just 20 he moved from his parent's house into a house he bought with the woman who would be his first wife.

His parents are EA. I'm not making excuses for him, I was shocked at how EA they were with him the first time I met them. His Mum said thinks like: he (H) is useless, totally useless. You'll have noticed that for yourself canbelieve.^^ My parents are nasty, but they at least wait for a few meetings before they start on me in front of anyone else.

H says that the first few years of his relationship with wife 1 were good, but it went South quickly. H's DCs have always said that their DM would scream at H and he would take it, over again.

As I said; I don't think that H knows what a healthy relationship looks like.

No. I wasn't coerced into marrying him, I knew that we were going to live together and I would be making a financial contribution to both the house and the household. If we weren't married and we split I was left with nothing. Our DDs were both in their teens, they were living with us and really wanted us to be married. Eventually I agreed.

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santasnothere · 27/02/2022 00:27

I haven't got time to comment fully - only that if you co-habited before marriage then that period also counted as part of the marriage when it comes to divorce.
(So my solicitors told me)

FredWinnie · 28/02/2022 00:48

Yes I absolutely meant emotional/mental games, such as person A causing tension, then being outraged/offended/"deeply hurt" if and when person B falls asleep - that sort of thing.

It's usually manipulative behaviour
It's a way of keeping person B in-line at all times

Other examples of this include person A withholding affection so person B has to make more effort; sulking; silent treatment; refusing to identify or reveal the problem; compounding that refusal with gems like this one: "if you cared about me, then you'd know why I'm being like this"

It puts person B on the back foot
Person B has to work twice as hard to keep the atmosphere pleasant.

I've cited all of those examples in case any ring any bells
You say you've done a lot of work on yourself.
I'm only going on what you've written but it may be you still don't pick up on the manipulative stuff he's doing.

If I've got that completely wrong then many apologies

I think it's great that you're planning ahead and looking to reclaim your fair share
More power to your elbow, OP

canbelieveitcantbelieveit · 01/03/2022 23:53

@FredWinnie
Yes I absolutely meant emotional/mental games apologies, I wasn't being facetious, such as person A causing tension, then being outraged/offended/"deeply hurt" if and when person B falls asleep - that sort of thing no, that's not quite it.

It's usually manipulative behaviour
It's a way of keeping person B in-line at all times

Other examples of this include person A withholding affection he does this, but he doesn't want me to make an effort, he just doesn't seem to be interested in me; my body, my thoughts, my conversation. He likes his hobby, doesn't need anyone else to be interested in it. I was hospitalised recently, he was in bits. I know that he does care. Occasionally he breaks down telling me how much he loves me, but most of the time I could be invisible, so person B has to make more effort; sulking; silent treatment; refusing to identify or reveal the problem; yes to not identifying the problem, I honestly think that he doesn't realise that there is one compounding that refusal with gems like this one: "if you cared about me, then you'd know why I'm being like this he doesn't say this, I don't think that he's putting on an act for attention, I don't think that he wants attention"

It puts person B on the back foot
Person B has to work twice as hard to keep the atmosphere pleasant.

I've cited all of those examples in case any ring any bells
You say you've done a lot of work on yourself.
I'm only going on what you've written but it may be you still don't pick up on the manipulative stuff he's doing.
*
Before we met he had been single, completely single for 10 years. After his marriage he briefly had a girlfriend, he ended it, I asked why and he said 'all we did was watch telly every night'. Then he was single for a decade. *
*
Thing is all WE do is watch telly every night. He says he didn't see the point in being with someone unless he was crazy about them.*
*He talks about his hobby, a bit about work and...that's it.

I think that i) he has never known a healthy relationship, so can't recreate one now or ii) he was on his own for so long that he's forgotten what a relationship entails. *

*It's like having a housemate. We rarely argue, I'm an emotional person but from him there's nothing. No good or bad, just nothing. It's like he's doing the grey rock, I asked him about it. He had no idea what grey rock was. Even if he knew what it was he wouldn't bother I don't think.

His first marriage came to a very long, painful end. I wonder whether he's avoiding intimacy to avoid being hurt again.*

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canbelieveitcantbelieveit · 02/03/2022 00:11

I've learned that I can't just ask him what he thinks of something particularly when it applies to me I had Botox and said that I was going to have fillers.
He said: it's your face, do what makes you happy.

I said that I was considering cosmetic surgery if the fillers looked good.
He said passionately that he really does love me as I am and would really hope that I wouldn't pay to change it.

In truth, I don't feel the need to have surgery either.

It feels like degrading myself, using teenage tactics to feel that he appreciates me.

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