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Had a massive argument with DM this morning/last night and feeling so wound up about it

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Weegle · 02/01/2008 18:46

Just need to rant really but would also be grateful for any advice on how to handle my mother if anyone has any words of wisdom.

Sorry I need to give some background so it's going to be long!

We never got on when I was a child/teenager. She "didn't want kids till they were 10", workaholic who was very disinterested in her daughters. She was also manipulative and a liar turning my sister and I against each other (we figured this out about 5 years ago and since have made up lost ground).

Since meeting my DH 7 years ago I have worked really hard to make a relationship with her work because I love my dad dearly and he is committed to her and so obviously I want to make everything work. Over time we built what I thought was a genuine two-way relationship. DH and I both enjoyed going there for weekends and having them to stay etc. No reference was ever made to the past. Then we had DS and although sometimes she does/says things I don't necessarily agree with she has been a lovely and interested grandmother - to the point that I stand there bemused sometimes wondering why she wasn't like that with me/sis.

Anyway we've been staying with them and last night an argument started (details not really relevant but to do with their attitude to my cousin's wife regarding my parents looking after my grandmother). It blew up massively but I accepted it was probably 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other and went and apologised thinking someone should, but that I still felt the same but didn't want to argue or upset anyone. My dad came and found me and we chatted, cleared the air and explained our view points and let it lie. This morning when we got up mum ignored not only me but my toddler DS who was showing her something. We had to leave at 11am to pick up someone from the airport. At 10.45 she asked to talk to me. I said only if there are witnesses. She burst in to tears and said "you've hurt me so much", I repeated I wanted a witness as I felt (although didn't say) that she would manipulate the situation. So my dad came in and DH took DS away. She said I hadn't apologised. My dad said I had. She maintained she hadn't heard. I also pointed out that she hadn't apologised to me either. Anyway, she kept lying and saying I was letting this cousin split up the family and she just kept dramatically falling in to the chair and crying and shouting at me. I just kept calmly saying "I'm sorry you're upset, and I'm sorry you perceive it that way... blah blah blah" but she seriously WANTED to carry on arguing. And it just made me feel like nothing has changed at all. I feel back where we were 10 years ago. At 11.15, now running very late I said we really had to go. So we left. All fine with dad but she was still acting the victim etc. And I just know the ramifications of this will go on for ages. But what REALLY gets to me is how she can stand there in front of me and lie over and over with no qualms about it. It's made my blood boil. And I'm just so hurt because I really thought things had changed and we had moved on . Now I'm worried my dad will be hurt and things won't be the same as we've enjoyed for the last few years. But what can I do - pretend that everything is ok when clearly it's not??

I'm so upset I don't know what to do, or even if I should do anything I don't know anyone in RL who has a mother like mine has been so I don't really have anyone I can talk to about it because her behaviour has in the past been so off the wall and contrary to the person she is around other people I sometimes wonder if people would believe me! DH has been lovely but is a bit of an ostrich and just says "act normal and it will go back to normal" - but what is normal when my own mother clearly thinks it's ok to lie and relish in being a "victim". And why is this making me feel like a frustrated powerless 13 year old?!

Sorry this is so incredibly long, I appreciate it if you've got to the end!

OP posts:
WinkyWinkola · 02/01/2008 19:37

I feel so sorry for you. Your mum sounds pitiful and of course, utterly infuriating and toxic.

I don't really have any experience of your situation so I'm not able to give any advice. I just wanted you to know you have my sympathy.

NotQuiteCockney · 02/01/2008 19:50

Hmmm, she sounds like hard work.

That being said, I suspect she's not lying, she's telling things as she perceives them. And however horrible she is to deal with, it's probably 100x worse being her, iyswim.

It sounds like you're doing everything right, and staying calm, and she's just really hard work. You may find you want to limit your contact with her.

lizziemun · 02/01/2008 20:37

Weegle

Have you look at the thread ' "But we took you to stately homes"... a thread for adult children of abusive families' the posters on there may be able to give you pointers on copying.

lizziemun · 02/01/2008 20:38

Sorry coping not copying

haychee · 02/01/2008 20:51

I have a male friend who sounds just like your mother. He lies all the time!
Its so hurtful when someone bare face lies to you as your mother has repeatedly done to you.
I have always avoided confronting my friend about any details i believed were false, i couldnt bare the embarressment of caling him a liar, an i couldnt bare the more lies that would come out to try and convince me that the first lie wasnt actually a lie.
One time things did come to a head, my friend had been telling others some lies about myself, which i couldnt tolerate. I had to confront him and the usual expected stream of lies just fell from his mouth in order to cover the first lie.
Soo irritating and disresectful, does he think im stupid or what??

I cant imagine what its like to have a mother who does this. It must be awful for you.
I can stay away from my friend but you cant stay away rom your mother.

I believe my friend is a compulsive liar. He cant help himself but glamourise a story with lies. Your mother sounds to me like she is doing just the same, glamourising her upset over the row by lying to make it sound worse than it really is.

No advice for you im afraid, other than to stay away from your mother as much as possible.
I guess no matter what you do or what you say she will carry on like this, its in her to behave this way and thats it .

Weegle · 02/01/2008 21:03

Thanks everyone. I appreciate your replies.

I have briefly looked at the toxic parents thread but it's got so long I got a bit lost and didn't want to bundle on in!

The thing is I can't stay away from her. If I stay away from her I stay away from my dad and I can't do that. Not even for a short time as his health isn't great and there have been a few scares and I could never forgive myself if I let this get in the way of my relationship with him. What's so ridiculous is the original argument was because I was trying to stop him being hurt by my mum's attitude to this cousin's wife because it's obviously getting to him. But it seriously backfired .

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smithfield · 02/01/2008 21:18

Weegle- I post regularly on the thread the other poster mentioned. I know it is long a long thtead but If you cut and paste your story you will find immense support there I promise.
Not everyone on the thread has cut their parents out entirely, so don't feel you can only join if you are willing to do that.
What you will find though is validation. As you say in RL people can not relate to this kind of mother and how it affects you and your sense of self.
Please post if you can I have found it a huge source of inspiration, strength and above all validation.

NotQuiteCockney · 03/01/2008 09:55

Hmm, could you somehow try to see your dad alone more? Pick up some sort of father-daughter hobby? Something? Then you can provide him with the support you want to give him, without it causing problems with your mum?

ally90 · 03/01/2008 11:40

Hi Weegle

I'm on the stately homes thread too... you don't have to read it all or comment on anything, just introduce yourself and cut and paste your op on.

And just quickly what you said to your mother 'i'm sorry your upset etc' just the right tone to take.

And you don't have to break contact from your mum to be on the thread, its all about support for those with an abusive family whether you are in contact or not.

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