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Sonaftersonafterson · 19/02/2022 17:43

I've been divorced for a little while now. A long marriage with 3 kids. I'm early 40s if that's relevant.

Most days I am fine but today, something he said has stuck with me and i just dont know if I'm right or wrong anymore. I know it doesn't matter but, I just can't see straight.

One of the reasons I left hubby, apart from some online indiscretions, was because of his temper. He never hit me. But hes a big guy and if everything wasnt "ok" and calm, he was moody and irritable. I worked hard to make sure things were tidy at home and that the kids didnt annoy him when he got in from work. He would sit in the front room have dinner watch TV and then sleep. Rinse and repeat for years but generally, a happy relationship and he was kind to me most of the time, good provider, generally nice enough guy. But i hated having to make sure nothing was messy (even though he was!), that the kids didnt scream and shout when he got in. I dealt with everything like all mums do. House, kids, pets, my job, everything. All he did was work. I even served him his dinner every night.

Anyway whenever we had a row which wasn't often but when it did happen, he would always shout, hold his breath and look at me as if to say "shut up or I'll kick off" or, if I didn't stop, would indeed kick off by smashing things. A door, a table, whatever was close by. This always stopped me. I wasnt scared of him but then kids would get so upset it broke me! So i would shut up, just to smooth things over for them.

He always did this. Every row ended like this. A row could never just be a verbal argument, he always always had to smash something in pure temper.

I told him this in a Frank conversation yesterday in answer to his question of why cant we try again?

Now I'm torn. Should I try again. He did make me happy sometimes, I do love him, we were together for over 20 years. Is this enough of a reason? Was it abuse? I was never ever scared and he never hit me. I was just worried for the kids, that they'd be upset by the smashing up and seeing me cry. This would only happen maybe once a year though, the big argument, all other times were generally ok although he is controlling and he cant handle stress at all and that's what makes him explode sometimes.

He says though, all other areas, he was ok. That's kind of true, except he never contributed anything apart from money to the family. Always plenty of money but never any time for them. Work came first, always.

I'm so mixed up. Can anyone help me?

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AfraidToRun · 20/02/2022 12:52

Not feeling scared is often a mix of shutting down because it's too painful, being on high alert to fix what's going wrong and taking too much stock in his words "i.e I'd never hurt you".

You had one blow up every now and then. That's his behaviour but I'm guessing you had to change your behaviour every single day. If you hadn't how many blow ups would there have been?

I had a post about something similar recently, wondering if I was wrong to run when my ex kicked furniture etc. I was afraid but eventually I stopped running, stopped feeling anything. Not being afraid is a sign that you've stopped believing you have any other alternative than to take it.

Please don't go back.

ChargingBuck · 20/02/2022 13:23

I told him this in a Frank conversation yesterday in answer to his question of why cant we try again?

No no no no no.
You are considering 'trying again' - just because HE wants to?

He knew exactly what he was doing with his breath-holding & smashing.
This would only happen maybe once a year though
That is NOT mitigation. No child should have to witness their father terrorise the household like this - ever. Not even once.
He was perfectly happy to scare the kids in order to control you.

Beyond those specific incidents, you were on tenterhooks every single day. Keeping the house tidy in case he kicked off. Serving his dinner in case he kicked off. Keeping the kids quiet in case he kicked off.
It also sounds like you did ALL the housekeeping, parenting & mental load as well as working.
Why would you want to return to any of this again - or expose your kids to it?

To answer your Q - YES this was abuse.
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Orgasmagorical · 20/02/2022 13:51

@Sonaftersonafterson

Sitting here crying and I just cant stop. Thank you for validating me. I feel so fucking messed up, like other women have it so much worse I just cant think straight but Thank You to everyone who replied, the tears are flowing but I guess that's ok
How are you feeling now, Sonafterson?

It wasn't until my now ex had left that I realised just how abusive he had been, that was when I became scared of him. You're not alone in what you're going through but don't try and minimise any of it by thinking others have had it worse. This is your life we're talking about, you are the important one here Flowers

Do you think it would help to talk to someone about how you're feeling?

Babadook76 · 20/02/2022 13:58

@Easterbunnyiswindowshopping

I ltb. He spent 6 months faking a new leaf turned over and remorse... We got married. Within 2 weeks he was back to his old ways. IME DO NOT GO BACK. HE HASN'T CHANGED

JUST BECOME MORE SLY.

You have ripped the plaster off. The hardest bit is done. Suggest he uses his energies to be a better df now instead.

Sounds like my parents. They divorced when I was 8 due to my fathers temper. It actually took him 4 years to convince my mum to come back. I’d had enough by that time and was taken into permanent foster care by the time as I was 13 as I refused to go home. I couldn’t stand living on eggshells with my father, and I despised my mother for going back to him. I haven’t spoken to my father for 16 years now, and my mother for 8. I have all kinds of mental health issues like anxiety, depression, insomnia, ocd and intrusive thoughts stemming from my childhood.
Bonbon21 · 20/02/2022 14:04

I found these words on Mumsnet some time ago... and have offered them often since.. for me.. they say it all:

"When you find yourself moderating everything you do or say to try to manage his reactions – you are in an abusive relationship "

Do not ... for one moment... go back there..

Marty13 · 20/02/2022 14:07

Wow, OP. What a way to live. Well done for leaving him. Don't go back. Aren't you happier now ? You have your house to yourself, you don't have to walk around on eggshells, you're free.
You don't have to go back to make him happy. You don't have a duty to make him happy. You have a duty to yourself to protect yourself and be happy.

The fact that he's the one who wants to try again and not you suggests that you are a lot happier without him - how could you not ?

Pixiedust1234 · 20/02/2022 14:08

It was abuse. He controlled your actions. Dont let your children grow up thinking this is acceptable and normal behaviour.

Pixiedust1234 · 20/02/2022 14:13

@Sonaftersonafterson

Sitting here crying and I just cant stop. Thank you for validating me. I feel so fucking messed up, like other women have it so much worse I just cant think straight but Thank You to everyone who replied, the tears are flowing but I guess that's ok
Oh sorry, I missed this when I replied. It doesn't matter if others have it worse than you....your situation was still bad enough. Let those tears flow, grieve for what you thought you had, and come out stronger Flowers
Pegsonstrings · 20/02/2022 17:57

Here is a virtual hug and I just want you to know you will be ok. It takes time to heal from abuse. It takes time to realise it was abuse and the shame there may come with it. But the shame isn’t yours. Don’t look back. Keep going and keep healing.

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