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Is my relationship abusive? What on earth do i do if it is?

22 replies

Raisingmychildren · 12/02/2022 17:53

I've been married to my husband for 5 yrs, together for 10. We have kids. It's the second marriage for both of us so maybe we are both just rubbish at this stuff??? He has always been a little controlling but by the time I realised this, i was able to excuse it for various reasons. He has older kids, now adults, so it was always me that would bend to fit in with them. I never minded it but I look back now and think I was making myself smaller and smaller so as not to rock anyone's boat or cause any upset. Here i am ten years down the line, and married with little kids and I becoming increasingly embarrassed by my situation and heartbroken by his actions.

I dont have direct access to our family's funds - I can buy things on his accounts or borrow his card but if I need actual funds in my account then I have to ask and if agreed then that amount is transferred to my account the will not transfer a monthly budget (I've had to have 2 hrs off work due to childcare costs). Back to work soon. When he works away from home (often) i need to be able to reach him on the phone if I need money. I should add here that he's not hugely mean with money but there are lots of comments about me not "contributing to the family".

He constantly talks about moving, then we're staying, then he wants to move again. I feel constantly on edge.

Our home is in awful disrepair. We have funds to improve it but he won't let me. It's a constant source of sadness to me. I love to have a welcoming home (doesn't need to be posh) and feel so sad that my children are growing up thinking broken toilets/door handles/ holes in the doors are normal.

on the rare occasion I go out with friends he always asks, "you're not having an affair are you?" ( This did happen to him in his previous relationship). I'm currently nervous that he's going to notice that I've shaved my legs and whether that is going to start him off. I often cancel going out with friends because it makes the atmosphere difficult at home if I do go out.

He often withdraws all affection from me if he is cross with me. Even when he is pleasant to me now it is extremely rare that he would be affectionate.

He highlights all my many, many faults but struggled to name one positive thing about me.

I do 90% of everything for the kids (fine in that I've basically been a sahm since last child born). I also do 100% cooking, 100% housework. In fact, as i have no money, pretty much all i do is housework. Yet constantly makes remarks about This House (it looks untidy because it's so scruffy!). He constantly puts me down and tells me how selfish and controlling i am. Yet his actions are so selfish himself and I dont actually have any control over him!

I run around like a mad woman, get the kids to where they need to be, do everything for the home -even typical 'blue' jobs. Friends and family are starting to make comments to me about it and I think I just feel sad about it all now. I probably sound like a nightmare after going on and on here but there are so many other examples and situations. I have lots of friends, I'm outgoing and kind, I really don't feel like I deserve to be in a loveless relationship but I just can't seem to make him happy. I'm getting exhausted trying to dodge his moods and keep him happy so that he doesn't turn into an emotional iceberg.

If he had his own way, then I wouldn't see friends socially and would have much less contact with my family. I already see them less often as he doesn't get on with any of them but doesn't like to be left alone if I take the kids to visit for a few days.

OP posts:
Scautish · 12/02/2022 18:05

100% yes. He is a controlling abusive twat. You do not deserve to be treated this way.

BertieBotts · 12/02/2022 18:12

I'm sorry but yes I am afraid I think it is.

Have you heard of emotional abuse? Looking that up will probably be eye opening for you.

What do you do - well short term, watch, wait, learn and research. Start thinking about what you could do in terms of securing yourself and the kids some alternative. Read everything you can get your hands on about emotional abuse and coercive control. Learn how to protect your tracks online (for example, in case he checks your history or goes to type something in on the computer and it auto completes). Private browsing for example, possibly a separate email address and deleting cookies.

Long term if a relationship is abusive there is simply no saving it unfortunately so you'll want to look into what options you have to support yourself. Could you stay with family temporarily? Is the house in joint names? These kinds of things will help you out, but you don't need to rush straight into leaving plans. Get your head around the situation first.

Whysolong7 · 12/02/2022 18:13

That is really controlling. I won’t live in a situation where I had to ask for money like that.

I would sit down and say you’d like things to be different- that the state of the house makes you sad and it’s not how you would like the house to be. Say as well that you both make a contribution to the house hold and it’s not working for you to have to ask to have money like a child with pocket money.

Be calm and constructive and talk about how you want to have a positive relationship with him alongside your relationships with friends and family but for that to happen you need things to change.

Maybe he has crept into bad habits without realising?

formalineadeline · 12/02/2022 18:20

Yes. It's coercive control.

I think the Freedom Programme would help you to make sense of all this and trust your own judgement.

Are you ready to move towards leaving? Whatever you do, please don't tell him and don't tell him he's abusive as it will only lead to an escalation.

Women's Aid can help you with a safe exit plan and signposting to support.

formalineadeline · 12/02/2022 18:21

Maybe he has crept into bad habits without realising?

Eh? It literally says at the start of the op he has always been controlling, and escalated over time.

Let's not dismiss serious abuse as "bad habits".

IsThePopeCatholic · 12/02/2022 18:22

Yes, he sounds controlling and emotionally abusive. Once you go back to paid work, things may improve inasmuch as you’ll have your own money. However, they could also get worse, as he may resent your increased independence. I think you should make plans to leave if things don’t massively improve. You’re not happy, and he is not allowing you to be yourself. Good luck op.

BertieBotts · 12/02/2022 18:32

You can't fix an abusive relationship by talking about it. It's often very dangerous to try because it tends to alert the abuser to the fact you're feeling unhappy with the current situation.

If you do want to talk about something, pick a single issue and try to discuss that, then see how he responds. A reasonable partner would listen to your side, offer theirs and sincerely try to come to a resolution. You won't always reach one easily because people and relationships are not perfect, but the intent will be there. Abusers tend to react in one of a few ways, they may become hostile and offended, talking about how much they do for you until you're forced to back down, or they act completely wounded and attacked, as though you've said something really hurtful towards them and you're forced to retract, or they seem to engage but somehow by the end of the conversation you are the one apologising and promising to change. They might refuse to engage at all, either ignoring you or laughing off whatever you say, making a joke about it. Or sometimes they just make completely empty and dismissive promises, maybe saying all the right words, but the "punishment" for speaking out of line will come later. And the promised change never comes about but you're distracted by whatever else they have done in the meantime.

Never try to confront an abuser directly about their abuse, they can become quite hostile when confronted like that. And don't go to counselling with an abuser (but it's fine to go to individual counselling yourself).

Raisingmychildren · 12/02/2022 18:48

Thanks everyone for your opinion and advice so far.

The ridiculous thing is that sometime he surprises me and is amazing, or makes me laugh until I pee myself. And our children adore him, rightly so as he is a lovely daddy.

I used to think this was enough but now I wonder if he's only nice to me every so often to keep me hanging on.

We have, or at least had, the potential to be happy and content but I'm just not sure he has it inside himself to feel happy and content. This makes me feel sad because he's not horrible through and through but I don't want my children growing up thinking that this is all they can expect from a relationship. And I feel so so sad that I'm stuck in this loveless, unkind situation. I never thought it would be me.

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Raisingmychildren · 12/02/2022 18:52

Not to mention the fact that the house is in his name only. The savings are all in his name. Even the bills etc. I don't even have enough address ID to get a freaking library card!!

He spends on cars/motorbikes/tech meanwhile my old credit cards have never been covered when on may leave x3 and I now have debt collectors chasing me despite the fact that we have savings (in his name). Any (albeit much much less than his) windfalls that have come my way go into this savings account too.

I couldn't walk out. I couldn't afford the bus fair to CAB to find out what I could do!

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TheVanguardSix · 12/02/2022 18:53

Your marriage is a mirror of my own, though I’m midway through a divorce now.
The only way out is through, OP. Flowers
What’s the age difference?

SpringheelJack · 12/02/2022 18:56

If you're married, half the house and savings are yours. Get rid of this twat, take your half, and give yourself a life! You deserve more.

BuddhaForMary · 12/02/2022 18:57

I used to think this was enough but now I wonder if he's only nice to me every so often to keep me hanging on.

Yea, he absolutely is. It's called the cycle of abuse and unfortunately I know it all too well.

Raisingmychildren · 12/02/2022 18:58

Thevanguardsix funny you should ask that. He is 17yrs older than I.

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JohannSebastianBach · 12/02/2022 19:06

You said your family have mentioned his behaviour, can you confide in one of them?

Wnikat · 12/02/2022 19:07

Can you take the kids and stay with family? This is no way to live.

WonderfulYou · 12/02/2022 19:19

Honestly does it matter if he’s classed as abusive it not?

You’ve been together 10 years and you’re not happy.
How many more years are you going to spend trying to make it work?

I read it many times on here - when they’re partner doesn’t physically hit them or he’s not that bad because he does XYZ - if you’re not happy, you’re not happy. You don’t need an extreme excuse to want to leave.

TheVanguardSix · 12/02/2022 19:28

Mine was 14 years older… second marriage as well. Your dynamic mimics my own.
We lasted 12 years.

alreadytaken · 12/02/2022 19:28

Yes he is abusive. Start making your plans to leave. You need to establish what your savings are and why did you put money into an account you cant access while you had credit card debts? Ask him for that money back to pay off those debts.

You can buy things on his account, you say -so when ready to leave buy some expensive items and sell them. If you are not ready to leave yet then when you return to work all money goes into your account. Do you get child benefit?

FinallyHere · 12/02/2022 20:09

Sorry you are going through this.

https://freedomprogramme.co.uk

https://ia800108.us.archive.org/30/items/LundyWhyDoesHeDoThat/Lundy_Why-does-he-do-that.pdf

Your eyes are increasingly being opened. Once you see, you can't unsee it again. Do you have real life support ?

Be very careful OP. Getting your ducks in a row and getting out will be doable but require a real effort from you. Very worthwhile.

All the best.

billy1966 · 12/02/2022 20:31

He is hugely abusive.

Coercive control is a crime now.

Ringing Women's aid would help give you clarity, advice and support.

He is not a good man, father or husband.

He is controlling you via money.

This is a crime.

Please seek advice and help.

Flowers
Stravaig · 12/02/2022 20:50

Just to correct this, OP - He's not a lovely Daddy.

You do 90% of kids stuff, 100% cooking, 100% housework - (almost) no daddying of any kind being done there. He's let your home fall into disrepair and won't let you fix it. That's not a good father.

He exhaustively lists all you supposed faults, can't say anything good about you. A good father does not demean and dimish the mother of his children. He financially controls you and socially isolates you. A good father would not do that to you or your children.

Leaving him is not only necessary for your own wellbeing, but also for your children too.

BertieBotts · 12/02/2022 21:13

Gosh this financial abuse is bloody appalling :(

No abuser is a cartoon evil villain. They all have nice sides, kind sides, funny and charming sides. I think you know deep down the measure of him though. When you say he doesn't have it in him to feel happy and content, that is likely sadly true.

You can't fix him.

Would your family support you to leave?

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