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Upset by friend issue - what would you do?

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Chimchiminie · 12/02/2022 16:26

Hi, I’m wondering how to handle a situation with a friend

It’s an old friend going back to middle school (that’s a fair few years ago btw - several decades)

Three of us are friends dating back to about 9 yo. They were both 2 of my best friends at middle school. 30s now.

Friend A and I have been close friends as adults and in our early 20s we were best friends. I moved away early 20s but we’ve still been close friends and she’s one of my closest friends from back home. At points when she’s had a lot of stuff on her plate I’ve offered for her to come and stay/live with me. Just might not see each other all the time but just solid long time friends. I’ve always made an effort to stay in touch and meet up when back at home.

Friend B not been as close with as adults, but still good / longtime friends. She moved away before me and could be a bit aloof / superior (for want of better descriptors). When back at home, she would sometimes arrange to meet with friend A’s mum but not friend A. Understandably Friend A would be put out by this, and over the years I sympathised with A and privately thought it was pretty off. Friend A and I over the years would naturally sometimes chat about friend B and discuss some of her funny ways, mostly lead by friend A rather than me – not unkindly but more motivated by a bit of exasperation / making sense of people style.

The last time I met up with friend B, a few years back, she spoke about Friend A and expressed disapproval about her, mentioning a second hand story about her being drunk at an event or something (and B generally being a bit judgey/ disapproving of A, who probably had a bit more adversity to battle and a bit more of a chaotic lifestyle, including some addiction issues). I listened at the time but would not have been drawn to comment and would not join in in judging A or gossiping. I also wouldn’t repeat to A either.

I can say 100% that I have never spoken a bad word about A to anyone or gossiped about her (to be fair I’m not into gossiping in general), disclosed something said in confidence or basically been anything but totally loyal to her as a friend.

I would say as adults I’ve probably been closer with both friend A and B than they were with each other, and definitely closer with A than B. And A closer with me than with B.

As we all live in different places and have done for some years, most interaction generally is on Facebook - commenting, liking stuff, etc. In person, I would always meet up with A if ever I was back home - probably at least once a year - and would usually stay over at hers for a few days. I’m not aware of A and B having hung out at all generally since we all lived back home.

So anyway.

A couple of years ago - maybe 3 now - friends A and B met up for a drink in our home town for the first time in many years and friend B posted a pic of them on Facebook. I commented under pic that they both looked great and asked when it was. Neither replied or liked. Bit odd, I thought.

Since then I’ve increasingly become aware that friend B does not really seem to comment on or like things I put on Facebook anymore. Sounds like a small thing but it’s enough that I’ve noticed it. She will v occasionally like something but interaction has v much dropped off. She also hasn’t wished me happy birthday since this meeting with A. If it was Just once or twice I wouldn’t read too much into it, but it’s been about 3 birthdays now, and a few years down the line, A+B meeting up seems more clearly to have been the point when something changed.

So, reading between the lines, it seems clear to me that Friend A said something to Friend B involving me somehow that has pissed her off / hurt her in some way and damaged our friendship. I kind of guessed this before, but have thought about it more during lockdown and the more i think about it, feel increasingly shocked, hurt and confused about this, and more certain that A must have knowingly said something that would be likely to cause a rift between B and I. I feel pretty hurt and confused about this. The chilly behaviour from B doesn’t feel very nice, but in a way I don’t feel bad towards B about this as it seems clear that she must have been upset by something that A has said. I have probably picked up on B‘s frostiness and gradually withdrawn myself a bit too as a result. I almost sent her a quick message at Xmas asking how she’s doing, but have a few other stresses at the moment, and in the end didn’t as I didn’t feel in the right frame of mind to initiate contact (and potentially receive a distanced or not overly friendly response).

Sounds daft I suppose but it’s eating me up a bit, and because we’re not in each other’s lives day to day there isn’t really so much of an opportunity to probe in conversation, or ask mutual friends if there might be something up or whatever. I feel like asking either of them directly could be a bit confrontational (again, as we’re all at a bit of a distance), and would not necessarily work in my favour if something had been said, and I’m also not even sure where I stand anymore, if A really is such a good friend after all, etc. Yet I feel so hurt and unable to pursue the friendship with A any further without some resolution to this issue.

On the other hand it also seems a shame to let these friendships go over what might have been an unguarded comment or something that was said inadvertently (and of course I have no idea exactly what has been said – I’m just putting two and two together, and I reckon, getting four).

The ideal outcome would be to resolve whatever it is with both of them.

What would you do?

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Chimchiminie · 12/02/2022 16:31

Apologies for the essay! 🙈

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Bunty55 · 12/02/2022 16:38

Distance yourself and wait for them to come to you. If you approach either of them they will know you are upset and wondering why they are giving you the cold shoulder - whether they feel this is right or wrong given what they must have discussed between themselves
You will do better to leave them to it.
I know it is upsetting for you but getting involved in this childishness is probably what they are waiting for.
Hope that makes sense

Teeturtle · 12/02/2022 16:42

I’d just leave it. The three of you don’t remotely sound like you are good friends or at least have not been for some time now.

Aquamarine1029 · 12/02/2022 16:52

and more certain that A must have knowingly said something that would be likely to cause a rift between B and I.

On the other hand it also seems a shame to let these friendships go over what might have been an unguarded comment or something that was said inadvertently (and of course I have no idea exactly what has been said – I’m just putting two and two together, and I reckon, getting four).

You have absolutely no idea if this little theory of yours is correct, but if you want your friendship with A to end over supposition, carry on. Has it not occurred to you that B just doesn't want to be friends anymore? For whatever the reason may be.

Spellcheck · 12/02/2022 16:56

Ahh I'm sorry, you do seem really hurt by this.

But - what exactly are you getting out of either of these friendships? It doesn't sound like you're good friends really, does it.

My advice is to say absolutely nothing. If they have been talking behind your back and exchanging info on things you may or may not have said, and don't feel they can talk to you about it, then you're definitely not good friends and have nothing to lose.

It might be time to begin slowly backing away from these friendships. None of you sound compatible and there's a lot of secretiveness, from you as well as them. If you have to second-guess everything it's just exhausting and negative.

Mintyt · 12/02/2022 17:04

The only way you will know is to ask them both in a group chat, just a general is everything okay as I'm feeling a bit left out and I'm bothered about it have I upset anyone

TDCtomorrow · 12/02/2022 17:35

What your relationship with A like since they met up?

SunflowerTed · 12/02/2022 17:36

I think you might be casting aspersions on Friend A who might not have said a word. Friend B sounds like she is a bit of a cow anyway! I’d leave friend B to it and continue with Friend A who is probably oblivious to this!

MrsTrumpton · 12/02/2022 18:23

Why don't you just ask A if she knows why B is a bit frosty with you these days, but without insinuating you think she's behind it. Say you haven't spoke to B yet but are planning to, and see if A admits to passing on the bitchy stuff you've said about her. Because it was bitchy, chatting shit about her behind her back, regardless of who led the conversation.

Chimchiminie · 12/02/2022 18:54

@TDCtomorrow

What your relationship with A like since they met up?
Friendship with A carried on as normal really. Like, didn’t notice any particular change, no reason to think anything was up.

I have noticed that A and B interact on FB more nowadays than they used to whereas B interacts with me less. Gradually I’ve probably responded to this and have pulled back a bit myself.

I noticed immediately after they met up that B seemed a bit more distant.

I guess it’s just now i think of it more, it makes me question if A is really a good friend and if I can trust her. If she’s said something to B, I don’t suppose she would have expected there was any way i would ever know – we‘re all living our own lives and it would have been a private conversation just the two of them.

But I guess thanks to Facebook, I can tell quite clearly that B‘s behaviour noticeably changed.

What I suppose drew my attention to this at the time was the fact B posted a picture of her and A together catching up beneath one of my own pictures of A and B in an album of my photos from years ago when I lived at home. And when I replied - like, hey, you guys look great, when was this? - neither of them responded. And when I think about it, pretty much since then she stopped really interacting with me.

There’s obviously a lot of other stuff going on and I’m wrapped up in my immediate life day to day. But it’s something I’ve quietly noticed and wondered about.

And I guess recently the penny’s just dropped a bit and for eg I’m questioning if I want to arrange meeting up with A when I go back to visit my hometown next (which I usually always would). It’s just made me question the friendship.

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Chimchiminie · 12/02/2022 19:20

@MrsTrumpton

Why don't you just ask A if she knows why B is a bit frosty with you these days, but without insinuating you think she's behind it. Say you haven't spoke to B yet but are planning to, and see if A admits to passing on the bitchy stuff you've said about her. Because it was bitchy, chatting shit about her behind her back, regardless of who led the conversation.
I haven’t said anything bitchy about B. Quite often over the years when we’ve hung out, A would mention stuff like the example of B going to visit her parents in our hometown and meeting up with A‘s own mum but not contacting A herself to arrange something. A would vent a bit and ponder a bit about why B would do that and j guess I‘d try to balance the line between being sympathetic and offering thoughts on why it might be but obviously holding back a bit as B is/was also a friend too.

If it came to the crunch though me and A were closer friends and if A complained about B a bit I wouldn’t ever consider repeating that to B. To be honest, I wouldn’t repeat anything that B said about A to A either though. There wouldn’t be much to repeat but I think friends do sometimes share frustrations or observations about mutual friends without it necessarily being bitchy.

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ThePoint678 · 12/02/2022 19:22

You’ve created this whole scenario because no one responded to a Facebook comment you made?

Chimchiminie · 12/02/2022 19:28

@ThePoint678

You’ve created this whole scenario because no one responded to a Facebook comment you made?
No, of course not. It’s because after they met up B‘s behaviour changed noticeably. The photo comment thing I noticed at the time and thought it was a bit funny as B had specifically posted the pic in an old album of mine, rather than, say, just posting it on FB generally.

I’m only even thinking about that now given the fact that was the specific point at which B seemed to become distanced.

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Chimchiminie · 12/02/2022 19:35

@SunflowerTed

I think you might be casting aspersions on Friend A who might not have said a word. Friend B sounds like she is a bit of a cow anyway! I’d leave friend B to it and continue with Friend A who is probably oblivious to this!
I would hope this was the case! I suppose it’s created a bit of a question mark for me and made me a bit wary whereas before I’d have been certain that A was a good friend who I could trust and would never say something disloyal behind my back. But also wondering if I’m overthinking it.
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SunflowerTed · 12/02/2022 21:03

I can totally see where you’re coming from. My advice would be arrange to meet friend A next time you’re in your hometown and just mention B has been a bit distant. See what she says but don’t ask her if she has said anything. You will know by her response if she is the good friend you thought she was

Chimchiminie · 13/02/2022 10:44

Thank you @SunflowerTed

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