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How do I know to keep trying or end it?

46 replies

TwittleBee · 12/02/2022 03:07

Together for 5 years, a couple of kids, mortgage etc. All the standard stuff.

But this past year and a half I've found us getting along less, the connection is dwindling, there isnt any affection and it just feels like we are "mum and dad" rather than anything else towards each other.

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TwittleBee · 12/02/2022 07:37

When he takes money out of your joint account, where is it going

Into his own savings account. He has kept it hidden from me as I can be too spontaneous in my spending. I've no clue what's in there.

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GeneLovesJezebel · 12/02/2022 07:40

Are you married ?

TwittleBee · 12/02/2022 07:41

Are you married yes

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GiantSpider · 12/02/2022 07:42

OP, I was about to start talking about counselling and the stresses of young kids etc, but then I saw that he abuses you. Please start making plans to leave.

GeneLovesJezebel · 12/02/2022 07:44

Ok, so I’d be speaking to a family solicitor then. Ring round as you can get a free first chat very often. They will let you know what you can expect to get if you make the move.
I found it very empowering to talk to one.

feelsobadfeltsogood · 12/02/2022 08:06

@TwittleBee

He does have a couple of red flags too
  1. He controls all finances, I'm not allowed to buy anything yet he I recently discovered he has debts
  1. He is very hot tempered and did hit me a couple weeks ago
You I thought before reading this bit need to leave him Now you definitely do

Have some self respect and leave

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/02/2022 09:11

The only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is none.

He is financially controlling you and like all who do that, he is not solely financially abusive either. That person from Refuge gave you some really terrible advice as well and clearly does not understand abuse at all. Its a flat no to joint counselling, its never recommended where there is abuse of any type within the relationship.

This relationship is over because of the abuse he metes out towards you (and in turn any DC).

What do you want to teach your DC about relationships and what are they learning here?. You would not want them as adults to be in an abusive relationship and its not good enough for you either. How else can you be helped here into leaving your abuser?.

MuthaFunka61 · 12/02/2022 09:13

You need to get a screenshot of the savings account if online or a photo of a bank statement if these are available and it's important that you do this before he has an inkling.
Also,before you start moving your money into your own account do the same so you can prove that all your money was transferred over and that you're due half of this.

G'luck

MuthaFunka61 · 12/02/2022 09:17

@AttilaTheMeerkat,
Relate are authorised to work with couples where dv is present and they're the only org which is (or were when I volunteered there). They'll be specific counsellors who are qualified to work with dv so it's important that this is mentioned at the initial assessment.

HTH

TwittleBee · 12/02/2022 10:45

Ah this is interesting, so of we did go for counselling and I mentioned this money control and his temper then the counsellor would refuse to help us any further?

I don't think I'll be able to get any access to the savings account. Not sure how to ask him

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FrancescaContini · 12/02/2022 10:55

@TwittleBee

(I did seek advice from Refuge about those btw, but was told he sounds as though he is suffering from depression and I should be supporting him with that)
Wow. Refuge said that? So sorry. Physical abuse is never justifiable. I think you need to leave.
MuthaFunka61 · 12/02/2022 11:20

@TwittleBee

Ah this is interesting, so of we did go for counselling and I mentioned this money control and his temper then the counsellor would refuse to help us any further?

I don't think I'll be able to get any access to the savings account. Not sure how to ask him

No,the opposite @TwittleBee.

Mention it at your initial assessment,which is your first appointment,and you'll be matched with a counsellor with the correct skills and experience.

WildPoinsettia · 12/02/2022 11:38

He does have a couple of red flags too

1. He controls all finances, I'm not allowed to buy anything yet he I recently discovered he has debts

2. He is very hot tempered and did hit me a couple weeks ago

Then I take back my previous advice. LTB. #1 he's abusive and #2 the abuse is escalating.

(I did seek advice from Refuge about those btw, but was told he sounds as though he is suffering from depression and I should be supporting him with that)

This person needs further training. Their response is inappropriate and harmful.

We have a joint account that everything goes into and then he takes money out and leaves what we need for each week stealing the rest for himself.

Corrected for accuracy OP! As others have said, look for evidence of this account and photograph the amount in there. Consult a divorce solicitor, you're going to need one, there's no way your H will amicably agree to give you a fair divorce settlement if he's abusive. Open your own bank account in preparation for having your wages paid in there. Don't do that (paying in) part until until you've got somewhere else to stay in an emergency in case he kicks off. If he senses you're thinking of leaving he might go on his best behaviour to make you doubt yourself, don't fall for it, it won't last. If he kicks off instead, call the police and have him removed from the home.

Contact refuge again and if you get a similar response to before, ask to speak to a senior member of staff (who will hopefully have better training!). You can also find your local branch of Women's Aid and contact them directly. If you've zero help from anywhere, have your wages and child benefit etc paid into your account and flee on the day the payment lands. You can go anywhere in the country and Women's Aid will help you. So if you have to, tell him there's been a glitch with work/the bank and you'll sort it out, then instead of dropped DC to daycare and going to work, flee instead. You wouldn't be the first or the last to leave with nothing but the clothes on your back. If you can sneak important stuff out to a friend's house in advance of leaving, so much the better.

If you've been isolated from friends and family, don't be worried about contacting them and explain that you've left/are in an abusive relationship and ask for their help, even if it's been years since you last spoke. Not those who'd go straight to him to tell him, obviously, choose carefully. Tell your workplace too. If you know you're going to have to flit you could arrange a few day's annual leave in advance so as to minimise disruption to your workplace, but of you need additional annual leave or unpaid leave while you sort things out then ask for it and don't be afraid to give the reason why.

You can speak to your local council (or the one where you end up, if you flee) about social housing/help with housing. You have a DC so you'll have some priority. You're not voluntary homeless if you're fleeing abuse.
If DC doesn't have a passport, get them one. Otherwise find yours and their passport if possible and take with you. Gather information like this. His payslip and pensions, the accounts private and joint, the mortgage etc. Maybe leave work early half day and go home when he's out to do this? Solicitor needs this information too ideally.

TwittleBee · 12/02/2022 11:55

It's hard as both kids are SEN too and I've got my own MH. I feel so bloody helpless.

I've sought some help from some friends but they're not IRL friends who live close by unfortunately

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ChickenStripper · 12/02/2022 12:06

@TwittleBee

Ah this is interesting, so of we did go for counselling and I mentioned this money control and his temper then the counsellor would refuse to help us any further?

I don't think I'll be able to get any access to the savings account. Not sure how to ask him

In a divorce you are entitled to half of what is in there.
AgathaX · 12/02/2022 12:38

I think you need to speak to the police. Potentially he could have thousands of pounds of family money squirrelled away that you can't access.

I'd say open a personal account without telling him and get your salary paid into that, but I think given his physical abuse that may be unwise in your situation. You really need to be able to access his personal account to see what's in it though.

Would you consider speaking to Women's Aid, or the police?

WildPoinsettia · 12/02/2022 13:07

Your MH won't improvement while you're in an abusive relationship. It could make your MH worse or even be the sole cause of it. Your MH will likely improve a lot if you LTB. Lots of people have DC with SN. If you're not dealing with the effects of his abuse you'll have more time and energy and money to deal with the SN. Your DC are also being affected by the abuse even if you don't realise it. When they're no longer in an abusive environment their problems may improve and becomes easier to manage too.

Mumof3confused · 12/02/2022 13:09

Yes but he might well squirrel some away and hide it.

Op would there be any paperwork relating to this anywhere? Ask him if you can make it a joint account so that you can at least see what’s in there. Surely you’re not that bad with spending that you’ll remove it from the savings account and fritter it away? It’s your money.

TwittleBee · 13/02/2022 09:13

Idk wtf I'm meant to do. I've looked at my finacances and I can't afford to leave. I can't rent anywhere within budget. I'm not entitled to any UC because I earn too much

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TwittleBee · 13/02/2022 09:35

I can't even afford a studio apartment for me and the kids to escape to

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TheSpecialist · 13/02/2022 09:44

My ex did this.

Started saving for himself rather than contributing as much as he should have been. “I can’t afford it” he said but meanwhile was saving it all.

As soon as he said proudly “I’ve managed to save 10k” I god rid. Cocklodging shit.

Cheated too. 😉 what was I thinking. Shame as he had a heart of stone and had no interests of his own too. Such a catch.

Now he’s back living at his parents and having to chores day in day out. 😂

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