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marriage doldrums - anyone else?

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marriedlife · 02/02/2022 12:39

First of all, I don't want to LTB, that's not what this is about. And disclaimer: I realise I'm in a fortunate position compared to many, and probably taking for granted something that others would kill to have.
So this post is aimed at those of us in a long-term marriage who are just feeling, well, a bit fed up.

I don't know if it's a post-pandemic thing or the fact we're 20 years in - I just feel fed up of the compromises and while I do love DH, sometimes I don't like him very much - that feels like a terrible admission (in fact I've namechanged to say it) but I can't be alone in this?? I really, truly don't want to end our marriage, we do, on the whole, have a good relationship but it feels a bit... mediocre at the moment. I often project ahead to some unknown time when I might be free to make decisions without consulting someone else, I can have a tidy home, and a cat, and not have to listen to the sound of his chewing...

There's the stuff that drives me crazy: he rarely asks me about my day or my work, and when I'm in a bad mood or feeling withdrawn he will reflect it back, rather than asking me what the problem is. He's incredibly untidy - there's not a surface in our house that is untouched with clutter, he collects all kinds of large items to do with his work or hobbies and he is not good at throwing things out or storing them in appropriate place.

I'm not sure he really respects my opinion very much - he's very set in his mind and what he believes is absolute, he's not good at compromising. DD1 is similar in this respect and I pointed this out last night while they were having an uncomfortable conversation where neither would back down - apparently this was untrue and unhelpful and my opinion was pretty much dismissed. I left the conversation swiftly and spoke to DD later on my own about what was troubling her.

But it struck me that DH is often like this, and cannot accept any kind of analysis or even a slightly critical comment - he's immediately defensive and it makes having a conversation about any differences of opinion incredibly difficult - I usually end up backing down to keep the peace.

This is turning into a rant and I'm painting a bleak picture of his worst attributes..but I need to vent all the main things which really bug the life out of me. A lot of it is maybe insecurity or just a real lack of self-awareness perhaps? In any case, it's a lot to tolerate and I'm crap at confrontation so I rarely call him out or open up a discussion about this stuff - cue the defensive stance, and complete lack of ability to take the blame for anything. These sorts of issues are few and far between by the way, but when they do occur it really bothers me. And maybe there are plenty of things that bother him about me as well - but I don't know, we never discuss it?!

In the past year he's grieving the loss of his dad and I've definitely suffered from burnout, so we're really not at our best at the moment, but communication between us is pretty rubbish and mainly just everyday life chat. My libido tanks regularly as you can imagine with all of the above to contend with, and the lack of intimacy doesn't help.

It just feels like we're in the doldrums. But not in a total relationship crisis IYKWIM? At least, I hope not. We've never been a very lovey-dovey couple and I just don't get those people who say they still get starry-eyed and love their partnermore now than when they met etc. etc... that might be true for them but it's not the way of every couple.

Is anyone else in the same boat at the moment? Kind of going through the motions, mid-life marriage mediocrity, wondering when it will get better? Is this normal??

OP posts:
sleepymum50 · 02/02/2022 13:27

I’m a bit like this, but have been married 30 plus years.

My DH is very untidy, and also has complete and utter self belief in his own mind and actions. He doesn’t like to have his decisions questioned. I feel he always thinks he’s right.

I also fantasise about living on my own and being able to make any decisions I want on my own. In my case I want four cats.

We are both retired and have many independent hobbies which keep us happy and give us time away from each other.

I find I have changed post menopause, and I now I am less accommodating than I used to be. We get on fine superficially and can joke and have a laugh.

I’m thinking that perhaps I give him too much headspace. One of the things that annoys me is that whatever I’m doing, I factor in what I think he’s needs or wants are. Whereas, I feel sometimes that with him, I’m out of sight out of mind.

I’m thinking of going for therapy/counselling for myself. I need to be clear about my own ways of thinking ( I had a troubling childhood), and start dealing with my growing resentment.

I have changed much in the last 30 years, and feel I need to renavigate my relationship with Dh. But more importantly,, ( post children), find my own inner core purpose, and what I want for the future.

Time40 · 02/02/2022 13:44

Are you sure you want to stay with him, OP? It sounds as if you may be happier on your own. How old are you?

Pegasussnail · 02/02/2022 13:52

I would have a good hard discussion with him about the stuff for a start. I would honestly hire a mini skip (our local area have larger bags you could use either)

I would literally tell him on x day we are having a huge clearout and do it. My dh knows if there are little piles of clutter about the place I bag them up and poof... I cant remember where all the bags are. Now he tidies away things in two junk drawers he has.

On to the intimacy end of things - try and get on track with a night out or meal out for starters but I don't know how to help with the emotional stuff. If I am emotional dh doesn't even see the tears. So I go it alone. He's good and practical in other ways.

marriedlife · 02/02/2022 14:55

@sleepymum50 therapy/counselling sounds like a good idea - I often wish I could do this too, to get some perspective as I ruminate and overthink things too much. I also fear resentment taking over - there's only so much you can tolerate or brush off...

@Time40 I'm 44. I don't think I'd be happier on my own - when I think about it I guess I'm focusing on the idea of just having more freedom but that doesn't mean I want to actually leave. We have a good family life and we're mainly happy I think, as much as any average family. Most of the time things are fine, and I just get my head down and get on with it. I guess sometimes, like now, I just lift my head up and really think about things, and feel a bit depressed about this age and stage of life when everything I do seems to depend/impact upon a lot of other people, including or especially DH. Reflecting on it a bit more today I think it might be a sense of weariness about mid life in general and all the demands it places on women especially. And basically having a man around, even my own DH, doesn't make it any easier!

@Pegasussnail I would love a huge clearout, but it's not even an option, DH would never, ever agree and I wouldn't just go ahead and do it anyway. On the emotional side, DH is probably more emotional than me tbh! But I know what you mean, sometimes you have to just grit your teeth and go it alone in your head and accept that you're different people in some ways.

OP posts:
WineThenMisletoe · 02/02/2022 15:10

You would like a huge clear out but he would not agree to it?

I usually find that a rigid mindset manifests itself in lots of ways rather than just a single one. If he is inflexible with other things then hand on heart would you say that your relationship is an equal partnership where you each respect the others views?

If not then do you think it is possible to achieve this because if not as he gets older it may become worse as he is more and more entrenched.

SisterJude · 02/02/2022 15:15

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marriedlife · 02/02/2022 16:30

@WineThenMisletoe I honestly don't know. Last night's exchange made me think he doesn't have much of a regard for my opinion. I was trying to say that I know how DD1 feels because I've literally been in her shoes and we have similar personalities, but he shut that down - 'I don't see that.' His dad was quite similar in terms of inflexibility I'm afraid - I've watched him and MIL butt heads for 20 years over things like clearing things out or doing up the house (he always said no) and I can't bear the thought that we could turn out the same.

@SisterJude sorry to hear your situation. I hope there's something you can do to improve things without waiting for 10 years...

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Torres10 · 02/02/2022 16:36

I can relate to the dream of my own peaceful home, as tidy as I left it, and 2 cats :)
We get on OK but I feel like his mother not his partner and the mental load is exhausting!

Toanewstart22 · 02/02/2022 16:37

Put it like this

I read our OP and I throw my hands up in the air with our abs overwhelming relief that in divorced and don’t have to live my life like this

Toanewstart22 · 02/02/2022 16:38

It was actually final visit from in-laws that did it for me

I could see him turning out like that. And my blood ran cold

No regrets

None

Now very happy dating a new man who I’m head over heels about.

SarahDarah · 02/02/2022 17:31

Surely the answer is obvious OP...you need to actually discuss all of this with him. Nothing can change without discussing it directly with him Confused

It's not His fault that you back down and don't like confrontation. Some people naturally have stronger personalities than others so you need to be firmer with them and speak up. It’s interesting that you call it "confoentation" when for most people, it's simply a discussion where two people disagree. And I say this as someone who has a character similar to you.

As others have said, counselling can be a good environment to bring up the issues and reach solutions since there's a 3rd party helping facilitate the discussions. Also perhaps if you don't like verbal, perhaps writing it via letter to him, though I know some.people may find that passive agressive so it may backfire/not work

Time40 · 02/02/2022 17:40

I would love a huge clearout, but it's not even an option, DH would never, ever agree and I wouldn't just go ahead and do it anyway

It's not fair that you have to live in a house where every surface is covered with "collections". I wouldn't throw someone else's things out either, but there is a middle ground. I think I'd give him a date by which to tidy it all, and if he didn't, I'd buy some neat new boxes, box it all up and stack them in one place - they might take up a lot of room, but at least all the rest of the house would be neat and tidy.

You don't sound happy, OP. You're only 44 - that's still young. I know it doesn't feel like it now, but trust me, it really is. It's by no means too late to change your life.

Coffee4685 · 02/02/2022 19:05

You’re doing all the compromising with this rigid and inflexible man. No wonder you’re resentful, Plus you’re only 44. You could have another 44 years with this man and I wonder whether truly, deep down this is what you want. With him, anyway! This is speaking from the p-o-v of someone who was with a ‘my way or the highway’ type - such tedious and selfish people. Christ, he doesn’t even ask you how your day was and that’s a basic courtesy.

People can say ‘talk to him’ until the cows come home, but I read what you’ve written and what you’re describing are traits and characteristics that can’t be easily changed and frankly, you’ve given me no impression that he would want to adjust anything that would be to your joint benefit.

But, of course, I’m not married. I recently split up with a partner who caused me problems and live in my own home. For what it’s worth, it’s free of clutter and drama. I call all the shots and I am inwardly nodding at the other poster who talks about the relief and freedom of cutting loose.

I have a feeling that you would love to feel a similar way, but perhaps aren’t quite ready to broach that yet.

marriedlife · 02/02/2022 19:59

@SarahDarah Ugh, I know, I do need to communicate some of this or nothing will change. I'm on here instead because it's an easier short-term solution to have a rant with some strangers on the internet! Also I don't really have anyone to discuss it with IRL, no-one who I'd confide in with this or who is objective enough to listen without judgement - of him or me. The problem when discussing more sensitive issues with him, as I say, is his defences tend to go up and it's rarely a productive conversation.

@Time40 I do have a plan actually - I have a few days off soon and I plan to install 'bins' in the most cluttered areas of the house - anything that doesn't belong where it's been set down will go in a 'bin' (this counts for DDs stuff too) and then it's up to them to sort it. I'm going to have to get tough on this - I'm certain it affects my mental health because I feel so much calmer on the rare occasions when the place is really tidy and clean. There's a certain amount of energy I'm wasting daily on ignoring the mess...

As I said in my OP, I'm making this sound worse than it really is - it's just that it's getting to me at the moment. I came on here to find out if there are others at the same stage in their marriage, or how others have pushed through it to get to a better place again - I do hope so!

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Time40 · 02/02/2022 21:01

Time40 I do have a plan actually

Bins sounds like a good plan! I hope it works.

GeneLovesJezebel · 02/02/2022 21:09

You will stay because you will convince yourself that it’s not that bad, then when the kids are gone and you think you’ll split, you won’t and it will be too late to make the change.
So like a lot of us, you’ll just stay.

BlueFlavour · 02/02/2022 21:20

@marriedlife I really relate to this. So similar, but I’m 10 years older than you. I feel like I’m in a state of flux. Who knows what will come.

I’m trying to love myself and find out what it is I want. What my priorities are.

Our husbands sound very similar
Poor us Grin

SingingSands · 02/02/2022 23:05

I can relate to this feeling. After 25 years of being with DH I've already told all my girlfriends that by the time I'm 50 I'll be living happily on my own with my cats and dog for company.

I think it's nature to be honest. My child bearing days are long gone and my child rearing time is drawing to a close. I don't need a "mate" any more, a lot of the time I don't even want company, I just want to be on my own!

Toanewstart22 · 03/02/2022 06:38

What a shitty way to exist
OP I divorced my husband
And honestly - life is so good
My children, friends, family and my my new partner
I look better than I did tan years ago because I spend a lot more time on my myself, I exercise more, eat better, read more, generally so much happier

You lose sight of how much of a drain a poor marriage is on you

SisterJude · 03/02/2022 10:39

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GeneLovesJezebel · 03/02/2022 11:30

@SingingSands

I can relate to this feeling. After 25 years of being with DH I've already told all my girlfriends that by the time I'm 50 I'll be living happily on my own with my cats and dog for company.

I think it's nature to be honest. My child bearing days are long gone and my child rearing time is drawing to a close. I don't need a "mate" any more, a lot of the time I don't even want company, I just want to be on my own!

I feel this way too. I just wish he would go away, but I’m apprehensive about being lonely and alone.
LucyCarlyle27 · 04/02/2022 23:25

@marriedlife I think I'll join your 'single in the future' club Grin - I'm 45, been with DP about 10 years, twins aged 6 - he wanted DC soooo much but has just been so utterly shitty since they were born that I've lost all respect for him. He does zero round the house and I'm just thoroughly fed up; like others on here, I long for a peaceful life and occasionally a bit of child free time, but he's so bone idle that I only get it if he'll take the DC to PIL for a while (meaning that MIL will wait on him hand and foot so he can do nothing there too!). Ah - rant over!

Norwolf · 04/02/2022 23:38

Why do you back down?? Thing is when you do, it will continue being a cycle. Yours has been so for 20+ years and YOU allowed it. You had a choice when he voiced himself back then, but YOU ALLOWED IT…. Now, your daughter as u say has picked up on her father’s tendancies, she can obviously see the dynamic, so why shouldn’t she??

You clearly state talking to strangers is a short term outlet for you. What’s the point???? Are you just existing to exist??? Grow a backbone and stand solid on what you want in your home or continue with your temporary mumsnet outlet.

Pterygoid · 05/02/2022 08:33

I can definitely relate to your post OP.
It's like there's no spark in my marriage. I love him, I'm not leaving him, but despite my tries to change things, we just end back on our comfortable together, 'rubbing along nicely' life.

I feel like I should be grateful for an amazing man in so many ways. Friends tell me I'm lucky. Therefore I should suck it up and realise I can't have it all.

Honestly though, I'm bored. I need 'something'. Quite frankly, the thought of just having sex with DH for the rest of my life makes me feel really sad.

fizzyfood · 05/02/2022 09:03

I can relate to this, been together 20+ years, I'd love a little house of my own and hopefully it will happen one day when the kids have grown up and I've saved some money.

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