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Building a better relationship with my sister

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ugifletzet · 29/01/2022 10:05

I want some impartial advice on how to build a better relationship with my sister, if it's possible. I'm getting married in summer and I'd really like her to come, but given how she's behaved to me in the past, I want to lay down some firm ground rules.

Background: she's 14 years older than I am so when I was growing up she felt more like a fun young aunt than a sibling. At least, she could be fun. Friends at school used to tell me how lucky I was to have such an amazing sister. She could also be cruel. Sometimes I'd go to sleep over at her flat for a treat and I'd dread the evenings, because by about four p.m. she'd start drinking. By teatime she'd be drunk and telling me what a disappointment I was, how spoilt, how selfish. I was only nine years old the first time I can remember this happening. I would always say I was sorry and ask what I'd done wrong, but she'd just shout and scream that I knew what I'd done and I was a liar. Whenever she said something particularly unkind she'd preface it with, "I'm very good at reading people, so you can't lie to me," or, "I always tell the truth, so I've got to say this." The thing she'd "got to say" was always nasty. The most memorable incident came when I was 14, after our grandma died. I'd been very close to her and I was devastated. My sister was kind and supportive at first, but then she told me our grandma had confided in her on her deathbed that she was so disappointed in me and how spoilt and lazy I'd become. Until now I'd believed my sister, but I knew our grandma too well to think she could ever have said such a thing to or about any of her grandchildren. I realised then that my sister was trying to hurt me by poisoning my memories and making me doubt that Grandma had even liked me. I just didn't understand why.

She is still struggling with alcoholism. The whole family knows about it now. She has a tempestuous relationship with a lot of people, constantly picking fights. It's hard to keep track of who she is and isn't speaking to. It changes all the time. The last time I saw her was at a family funeral in 2017. This is ostensibly because we live hundreds of miles away from each other, but really because I've accepted that she bullied me as a child and would probably try to bully me again given half the chance.

I still don't want to leave her out of a family event like a wedding, but I do want to make it clear that it isn't a stage for whatever drama she's in now, and that the days where she'd tear strips off me and I'd sit there desperately trying to placate her are done. I don't want to tolerate that any more. I just don't know the best way to deal with this - tell her straight and risk an outburst, or wait and see how she behaves on the day? How would others handle it?

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/01/2022 10:32

She is an alcoholic and they are often the most selfish of people to be around. They can and do lie as easily as breathing so I would not believe anything that comes out of her mouth. What your grandmother allegedly told her about you is a lie (if anything she was referring to your alcoholic sister). Her primary relationship is with drink, not with you or infact anyone else here. Her thoughts centre around drink and where the next drink is going to come from.

Why do you want her at your wedding; ask yourself why this is. What does your fiance think here?.

I realise she is your sister but I would not invite her to your wedding day all the same. You seem to be afraid of her on some level too. Don't reward bad behaviour by inviting her to such family occasions like your wedding; show her you are now not a soft touch and that there are consequences for her actions and choices. She will likely as well disregard any boundary you care to set her and what would those be anyway?. How would your fiance and you feel in the event she turned up drunk, got drunk at the reception afterwards or proceeded to stand there and shout at you?. You're going to have people having to police her all day long; don't make them do that. Do not again fall back into the same old pattern of trying, and failing to placate her; this beginning with you at a mere 9 years of age. Where are your parents here, what do they think?.

It would be a good idea for you to contact Al-anon as they are very helpful to those affected by another person's excessive drinking. You will learn re alcoholism if you have not already that you did not cause it, you cannot control it and you cannot cure it.

ugifletzet · 30/01/2022 08:59

I'm still frightened of her in some ways, it's true. As a child I was scared by the way she could switch from Jekyll to Hyde in seconds. As she could be so lovely sometimes, I thought it was my fault when she switched - that I'd made her do it and if only I was good all the time it wouldn't happen. As an adult I don't believe that, but I do feel backed into a corner by her. If I don't invite her to the wedding, she'll be hurt and lash out. If I do invite her, she'll find something to be hurt about and lash out over that. Despite this I do still love her, I feel sorry that she's so ill, and I want us to have a cordial relationship even if we can't be close.

My fiance has never met her. He's been shocked by the stories I've told him about her behaviour to me in childhood, things I didn't even see as that bad but to him are terrible. He's not exactly falling over himself to meet her and he says he'll support me with whatever decision feels most comfortable for me. My dad thinks I shouldn't invite her and that it's her responsibility to build bridges with the family. My mum thinks it would be counterproductive to leave her out and that I should invite her. They don't know half of what she did to me as a kid, because I never told them.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/01/2022 09:23

She remains both abusive and an alcoholic. Do not invite her to your wedding.

Re your comment:-
Despite this I do still love her, I feel sorry that she's so ill, and I want us to have a cordial relationship even if we can't be close."

This mindset is damaging to you and keeps you stuck. You will not have a cordial relationship or even any sort of relationship with her because she is both alcoholic and abusive towards you and others. Its not possible to have a relationship of any sort with someone this disordered of thinking, even though she is your sister. She does not want a relationship with you, has never wanted that but wants to keep tearing strips off you instead. You putting yourself in front of her gives her that opportunity.

Would you tolerate this behaviour from a friend, I daresay not. Your sister is no different. You grew up seeing all this abuse and drunkenness from her and regard it as "normal". Your fiance is indeed horrified for good reason. Your dad is right here; do not invite her to your wedding. She will not want to at all build bridges here with any of you because she will then have to account for and take responsibility for her own behaviour and she will not ever do that. She is going to lash out anyway but you should not make yourself available to hear any of it from her. Your mum enables your sister here for her own reasons, and those are nothing to do with you. I would also think that if you talked to your mother about your sister's abusive treatment of you, she may not readily believe you.
What happened to you at your sister's hands was and remains not your fault in any way; that's all on your sister. You never drove your sister to abuse you and again its not your fault in any way.

Abuse and alcoholism also thrive on secrecy; time to bust this wide open now with both parents knowing the full extent of what happened to you. I would urge you to contact both Al-anon and NAPAC as soon as you are able.

GeneLovesJezebel · 30/01/2022 09:24

Do not invite her, she will spoil your day.

something2say · 30/01/2022 09:39

Hiya

I too think you should not invite her.

For me it's all about signs of change. You haven't had any, therefore it's all still the same. If you let her come, she will behave as she always has done.

You are full of hope, but at this stage its misplaced. You'd do better to be honest and open, and use skills to brook no argument, and to keep yourself safe (no one else is going to). In this way you are naming the problem not enabling it. That's what she actually needs. Be a good sister to her and don't facilitate any bad scenes.

The more people do this, the more likely she is to have to deal with it. And....the less bad scenes go down.

One problem is how others take it. I used to do two things to slide thro this with minimal harm. 1) make them crystal clear on some incidents, enough to shock them, and then 2) use skills to move the conversation on, either by moving in firmly with the fait accompli or by leaving/hanging up.

Take control and have a good think about the fact that, while you want to be nice, she simply is not on the same page.

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