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He's 'changed'....I was doing so well!

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beesfeet · 23/01/2022 20:44

I won't go into the reasons why my marriage broke down but through therapy I can see it was emotionally abuse and coercive control. Well at least I think I can see it. My therapist also says he sounds like a narcissist which I am not 100% on. I do still have some sort of attachment/love towards my husband unfortunately but I have been working towards my own needs and starting to think of my own boundaries.

And then he comes and ruins it. But I don't know if he means it.

So H has apologised for his behaviour towards me. He realises it was unacceptable. He blames work for the reason he made me feel unloved. He says he will not let that happen again and while I've been gone, he has realised how to leave work at work.

I have told him exactly how he made me feel, how I felt I had to tip toe around him and that he was emotionally abusive. He will not agree he was emotionally abusive but says he can see why he came across as controlling. He will continue to work on this in therapy. He's has approx 5 sessions so far.

He is 100% sure he can change, he will never let us get back to the place we were at again. He will help with the dcs, he will help with the house work. He will be the husband I need and the father the dcs need.

He has let me shout and scream at him while telling him everything he's done and hasn't got angry. He says he deserves it all.

I have said he hasn't been in therapy long enough yet and he needs to stick it out to see a change. He isn't asking me to come home, he said he would like some sort if inclination that we can try when the time is right.

What he hasn't done is sorted the bills as I removed my name off them and he has a pile of letters and things he needs to pay - he is clueless but if he sorted them himself it would show he is capable of doing things without me.

He also hasn't really asked how the dcs are coping. It's mainly how he is doing and how he feels. He does talk about himself a lot.

He also blames work for a lot of it like I said. It's not directly him. His behaviour after I left was terrible but that was blamed on a mental breakdown he has because I left. Again the blame wasn't on him - it was a breakdown.

Another reason he says is the reason for him treating me how he did is to do with a suicide in his family from 13 years ago. He didn't grieve for that and continued his life normal and never took time to deal with it. This is what his therapist says is a reason for his behaviour.

He has mentioned him meeting someone else - as a way to get over our marriage and that he feels if I don't give him an inclination that we can try resolve things then he will have to try meet other people as a way to get over me. Is this manipulation?

He has a habit of taking about things in front of the dcs. I am very conscious that they don't hear anything but he doesn't seem to have learnt and continues to try being up the subject in front of them.

He isn't going to change is he? It's just the fact I have been trying to get him in therapy for years and now I've left, he finally has.

I also wondered if I could contact his therapist. I know he won't be able to tell me anything as it's all confidential which I completely get but maybe I could get some idea of what to do.

I think what I'm worried about is he will change for another woman and I'll be feeling like I'm the one that's made a mistake

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beesfeet · 24/01/2022 19:11

I've had 2 more messages

One he's going to get into a new relationship and shove it in my face at how happy he is

And another to say the other woman has been on the phone in tears and he's going round to comfort her. And that he can't believe how horrible I am

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beesfeet · 24/01/2022 19:12

He's blocked on messenger now too

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 24/01/2022 19:22

Didn't take him long to revert to type, did it?

Never present - not my fault, work made me do it.
'breakdown' - not my fault, you caused it.
Being an abusive shit - not my fault, a dead person caused it.
Sniffing around for new woman - not my fault, your fault for not saying we'd get back together.
Spending money - not my fault, now I want to, I've stopped, so it must have been your fault I did it.
Not paying bills - not my fault, your fault for leaving.
Attempt to ruin your relationship with SD - not my fault, you made me do it

Everything was blaming you or others for his own unacceptable behaviour and inadequacies.

Keep him blocked and divorce him. Don't ever mistake a learned listen and reflect back to the person as a substitute for actually giving a shit about somebody other than himself.

Lilymossflower · 24/01/2022 19:35

Yes he sounds like a textbook narcissist. Leave please

CheekyHobson · 24/01/2022 19:42

One he's going to get into a new relationship and shove it in my face at how happy he is

And another to say the other woman has been on the phone in tears and he's going round to comfort her. And that he can't believe how horrible I am

What a manipulative psycho. He's all over the place, isn't he? If you're worried that he's going to suddenly turn around and be a wonderful partner to this new woman, just look at the fact that

a) she's on the phone in tears to him already and they're not even in a relationship yet
b) he's explicitly told you that at least part of his motivation for embarking on a relationship with her is to punish you. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be too stoked with the idea that a potential boyfriend might be leaping into a relationship with me in order to get some kind of twisted revenge on his ex wife.

Have you heard of projection? It's when someone tells you that you are what they secretly feel themselves to be.

So when he says to you "I can't believe how horrible you are" what he really means is "I can't believe how horrible I am".

totallyoutnumbered · 24/01/2022 20:12

What a truly nasty bastard he is! I totally understand that you'd want to stay in contact with the step daughter but this may have to be handled very carefully. I hope that I don't sound rude when I say, he'll move on and find a new supply. That's not yo suggest you're so replaceable at all. Narcissists are just like vampires ( not that I believe in those 🤣) in that they need a constant supply to survive. He's an empty shell of a man who only gets his kicks draining you and his next supply. If you're on instagram my friend recommend Melanie Tonia evans I think her name is. Quite repetitive information about how to spot and manage narcissist types but I guess that's the point. It takes a while for it to sink in and not be confused or blindsided. You've dine amazing so far, you really have. I'm 6 weeks you'll feel better, in 6 months even more so. Etc, etc. coparenting or parallel parenting with a narcissist is a daily struggle of mine but I don't buy into the gaslighting and manipulative shit anymore. Sadly he's started it with our kids but that's a whole other story. You're going to need stamina in droves but you've already proved that you have it x

totallyoutnumbered · 24/01/2022 20:13

Sorry for all the typos 😂 😬

totallyoutnumbered · 24/01/2022 20:17

Just saw this on a social feed. Good timing 👍🏻

He's 'changed'....I was doing so well!
beesfeet · 24/01/2022 20:20

@totallyoutnumbered

What a truly nasty bastard he is! I totally understand that you'd want to stay in contact with the step daughter but this may have to be handled very carefully. I hope that I don't sound rude when I say, he'll move on and find a new supply. That's not yo suggest you're so replaceable at all. Narcissists are just like vampires ( not that I believe in those 🤣) in that they need a constant supply to survive. He's an empty shell of a man who only gets his kicks draining you and his next supply. If you're on instagram my friend recommend Melanie Tonia evans I think her name is. Quite repetitive information about how to spot and manage narcissist types but I guess that's the point. It takes a while for it to sink in and not be confused or blindsided. You've dine amazing so far, you really have. I'm 6 weeks you'll feel better, in 6 months even more so. Etc, etc. coparenting or parallel parenting with a narcissist is a daily struggle of mine but I don't buy into the gaslighting and manipulative shit anymore. Sadly he's started it with our kids but that's a whole other story. You're going to need stamina in droves but you've already proved that you have it x
Thank you. He is a terrible father in terms of actual parenting. Doesn't dress them, feed them properly. No involvement with anything.

Just yesterday when I collected dcs, I walked into one of our songs playing on Alexa on full blast. Obviously I burst into tears and he comforted me. He makes me sick.

I've had such a lovely message of my step daughters mother saying he is a disgusting parent (in regards to the phone call he's made to dd) and shes had to tell him many times to leave dd alone. She has offered to meet me for a coffee - I think it will help. I once heard he was physically violent to her but obviously he always denied it and I was too sucked in and believed it. It will be interesting to hear what she has to say and to be honest, she's become a friend. Thankful for her and my step daughter who can see right through her dad.

I just feel bad for the new one. But he is her problem now

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beesfeet · 24/01/2022 20:20

@totallyoutnumbered

Just saw this on a social feed. Good timing 👍🏻
Wow thank you. New phone screensaver Grin
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beesfeet · 24/01/2022 20:52

@CheekyHobson

One he's going to get into a new relationship and shove it in my face at how happy he is

And another to say the other woman has been on the phone in tears and he's going round to comfort her. And that he can't believe how horrible I am

What a manipulative psycho. He's all over the place, isn't he? If you're worried that he's going to suddenly turn around and be a wonderful partner to this new woman, just look at the fact that

a) she's on the phone in tears to him already and they're not even in a relationship yet
b) he's explicitly told you that at least part of his motivation for embarking on a relationship with her is to punish you. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be too stoked with the idea that a potential boyfriend might be leaping into a relationship with me in order to get some kind of twisted revenge on his ex wife.

Have you heard of projection? It's when someone tells you that you are what they secretly feel themselves to be.

So when he says to you "I can't believe how horrible you are" what he really means is "I can't believe how horrible I am".

Thank you. Just this morning I had a message saying how she ment nothing to him, he's not bothered about her feelings and he loves me and is concentrating on us Hmm now it's I am horrible, a nasty piece of work, she's crying and he's gone to comfort her.

I need to be able to bite my tongue now. Deep down I think he could be dangerous. Time to focus on me

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totallyoutnumbered · 24/01/2022 20:54

Yes, I'm sure you'll get to hear the other side of the story. I'm sure I'm time you'll not want to talk about the ex as it actually becomes very boring. You're still very much in the thick of it so it's good that you have her to talk with and I'm sure it'll help piece things together for you. Just be mindful to set aside time for yourself to just be. Watch something distracting and light hearted on TV. I started listening to plays and comedies on radio 4 extra on the bbc sounds app when I was in the thick of it. It was something to focus on if you get my drift?. Even in separation narcissists are all consuming so be sure to prioritise you and your kids. As for playing your song, of course he did. What a massive c**t 🙄. Grey rock, grey rock, grey rock!! Give him nothing Xxx

totallyoutnumbered · 24/01/2022 20:58

And yes, he is dangerous. As a previous poster has said. Screenshot everything and save in a separate folder on your phone with a password on it so your kids don't see. If you need to report him at any point which I sincerely hope you don't you have all the info to hand. Mine threatened all sorts but actually in the end he did indeed just move on. I wouldn't wish him on anybody (she thought she'd won first prize) He eventually got bored of being ignored and not "getting a rise" out of me and stopped. He was relentless though and utterly exhausting. I ate and ate but weight just dropped off me. Make sure you look after yourself xx

beesfeet · 24/01/2022 21:16

@totallyoutnumbered

Yes, I'm sure you'll get to hear the other side of the story. I'm sure I'm time you'll not want to talk about the ex as it actually becomes very boring. You're still very much in the thick of it so it's good that you have her to talk with and I'm sure it'll help piece things together for you. Just be mindful to set aside time for yourself to just be. Watch something distracting and light hearted on TV. I started listening to plays and comedies on radio 4 extra on the bbc sounds app when I was in the thick of it. It was something to focus on if you get my drift?. Even in separation narcissists are all consuming so be sure to prioritise you and your kids. As for playing your song, of course he did. What a massive c**t 🙄. Grey rock, grey rock, grey rock!! Give him nothing Xxx
I'm hoping that's what happens here. I can't say I'm gutted that I know he's with her tonight. I feel for her as apparently she has mental health problems herself - vulnerable so he's straight in there. I tried so hard to be grey rock but he kept getting at me.

It's just going to take time to get used to him not messaging me, hounding me. I've blocked him on everything and will consider calling the police tomorrow just for advice.

Today had to happen, it needed to happen for a long time but deep down I think I knew the abuse that I'd get from blocking him and taking control

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totallyoutnumbered · 24/01/2022 21:35

"I'm hoping that's what happens here. I can't say I'm gutted that I know he's with her tonight. I feel for her as apparently she has mental health problems herself - vulnerable so he's straight in there. I tried so hard to be grey rock but he kept getting at me.

It's just going to take time to get used to him not messaging me, hounding me. I've blocked him on everything and will consider calling the police tomorrow just for advice.

Today had to happen, it needed to happen for a long time but deep down I think I knew the abuse that I'd get from blocking him and taking control"

It really did need to happen. You'll get used to the calm that you can create so quickly. New routines and all that. This isn't going to be easy but you've already done the hard part in ending things. Keep visualising your happy future xx

beesfeet · 24/01/2022 22:06

@totallyoutnumbered

"I'm hoping that's what happens here. I can't say I'm gutted that I know he's with her tonight. I feel for her as apparently she has mental health problems herself - vulnerable so he's straight in there. I tried so hard to be grey rock but he kept getting at me.

It's just going to take time to get used to him not messaging me, hounding me. I've blocked him on everything and will consider calling the police tomorrow just for advice.

Today had to happen, it needed to happen for a long time but deep down I think I knew the abuse that I'd get from blocking him and taking control"

It really did need to happen. You'll get used to the calm that you can create so quickly. New routines and all that. This isn't going to be easy but you've already done the hard part in ending things. Keep visualising your happy future xx

Thank you for taking the time to reply to me. It's much appreciated, it's nice to hear from someone with experience that it does get better.

Had another message from my step daughters mum just saying how upset dsd is over what he has done to her. She is actually going to block his number on dsds phone so he can't contact her anymore and he can only speak to her through her mum.

It's so awful yet nice to know people are standing up to me at the same time. He might end up losing his daughter over this too.

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beesfeet · 24/01/2022 22:08

Which I don't mean in any sort of smugness or cruel happiness. I just feel he is on the verge of losing everything due to his behaviour. He's disgusting!

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JSL52 · 24/01/2022 22:32

No he won't change , yes he's manipulating you.
Good for you for getting away.

Holothane · 24/01/2022 22:44

So proud of you well done in all you’ve done so far.

totallyoutnumbered · 24/01/2022 22:45

Thank you for taking the time to reply to me. It's much appreciated, it's nice to hear from someone with experience that it does get better.

Had another message from my step daughters mum just saying how upset dsd is over what he has done to her. She is actually going to block his number on dsds phone so he can't contact her anymore and he can only speak to her through her mum.

It's so awful yet nice to know people are standing up to me at the same time. He might end up losing his daughter over this too.

You're welcome. It really does get better. Surprisingly quickly. I spent a couple of years single and I genuinely had concerns that I'd never either be able trust anyone again or that I wouldn't be able to spot the signs or red flags again. I chose to ignore my instincts so much it became normal. However, I've now been with the most gorgeous, kindest man for a year who never makes me feel anything other than secure and loved. We laugh all the time and he loves me for exactly who I am.Such a contrast to the point where there's no comparison. In time you'll probably start to wonder the same things. You've survived an abusive relationship. Time to start thriving OP xx

beesfeet · 25/01/2022 09:03

Morning everyone. I've woken up feel sick to my stomach and scared. I'm tempted to call the police as he did send some threats last night before I blocked him. Could this just end up making things worse if I do call them?

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totallyoutnumbered · 25/01/2022 09:12

Morning OP,
I was just thinking about you. Sorry to hear that it continued and I'm sorry to hear you feel so bad. I didn't want to read and run but I'm heading out to work shortly. My initial thoughts are albeit brief (sorry)

  1. Please, please reach out to a friend / family in real life. Mumsnet great for a handhold but nothing beats a network of support around you and the kids.
  2. You have enough evidence now to indeed report him and this is harassment. Yes it could well anger him but this is on HIM.
  3. Can you have a telephone appointment with your solicitor and consider going down the legal route to keep him from harassing you. A letter on his doorstep may well be enough to stop him in his tracks.
  4. Or and email that clearly states something along the lines of "what you are doing is harassment. Leave me alone. I will not be reading abusive messages and they will be reporting you to the police should I receive anymore.
5.Call Women's aid for advice. He's relying on his tried and tested methods of "hoovering" you back in. You've got away and he knows it. He's banking on being able to wear you down! Sending you a massive squeeze even if only a virtual one. You can get away from this but huge big girl pants required. If you find yourself faltering think about your own children and step daughter. Show them this is not acceptable and what to expect for themselves 👊🏻xxx
Keepitonthedownlow · 25/01/2022 09:41

Thinking of you OP. Maybe call women's aid for advice too? Flowers

wizzywig · 25/01/2022 09:45

When my husband started therapy, his entire focus was himself. It made him more selfish

LiveFromNewYork · 25/01/2022 09:48

Even if he takes up with another woman and all is somehow magical (highly unlikely), it still wouldn't mean your relationship would have worked.