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Toxic and controlling husband, I gotta go huh?

41 replies

FluffyLamkins · 23/01/2022 01:40

I think I do. Today I realised my younger DD had been invited to a birthday party as had forgotten about it. I hesitated about telling H because he usually makes a fuss or is difficult, either to do with covid or something else when the kids are asked to others houses. However realised it would be worse if I didn’t mention it so I did. And surprisingly he was ok today. Wow.

Another mum I know from the school gates, not really well but have chatted to her and know where she lives, her child and she’s a nurse which I thought was a positive - offered to take DD in her car to the party. I checked she had a car seat. Plus she was taking another close friends child too.

H was not happy. He left the house not saying anything but then called me to say he wasn’t happy about the other child’s mum driving our DD and I should take her. In the past I probably would have just done it. I’ve had to decline invites and change plans because of him in the past. He’s terribly over protective and anxious about the girls and doesn’t trust or like most other people. I debated whether just to take her myself. Because I knew they’d be a fallout or fuss if I didn’t. But I’m sick of being disempowered and unable to make decisions so I stuck with it, checked DD was fine with it and off she went. The mum texted me to say they’d been dropped off fine. All was well.

Predictably H was “upset” later when he got home. He largely was ignoring me although cheery enough to the kids. The old walking on eggshells atmosphere. At night started up about how I “disrespected” him when all he wants is the best care for the girls and to be respected ie do as he wants it seems. Says the party goer came to reassure him too that she’d be fine before he left which I didn’t know about. But that was “my fault” for saying that he’s worried - but I had said nothing. Very sad the children know he flies off the handle I think.

We’ve had it already with the girls walking the dog, visiting across the road and riding a horse. Always told by H to be extra cautious and never let them out my sight. Overly more than I’d do because they are responsible and I give them a bit of freedom.

I can’t live like this. I’m sure he is anxious but there’s no autonomy for me to make decisions and if I don’t do as he says - or “give him some respect” as he’d frame it - then I am punished by huffy or silent treatment behaviour and a talking to.

A lot of the time he is ok but I realised recently that my decisions quite often circle around him and keeping the peace. And he always points out how unhappy I am with my life - which is not true, except it possibly is when he is around. I’m sure he’s got some narcissistic tendencies and definitely toxic controlling issues.

Anyway should I accommodate his anxiety about the kids to always be super safe and supervise them? Or should he trust me when I’m making the plans? How much attention does your husbands or partners take in such arrangements as play dates, parties and lifts? Do you tell them about your plans or reassure of the arrangements at all?

I know. It’s mad. I know it is.

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Bananalanacake · 23/01/2022 11:14

So he's like this with the DC but what's he like when you want to go out on your own? (I'm hoping he can look after his own DC for 2 hours)
What would he do if you went out with female friends one Saturday night or for a coffee with a colleague, if he gets awkward then there's your answer.

CaveMum · 23/01/2022 11:48

Read up on coercive control - it is a recognised form of abuse and can be reported to the police - www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/coercive-control/

Start making plans to leave, squirrel away some money, talk to trusted friends/family. Keep in mind how bad things could be in 5/10 years time when your girls are older Andes that as your focus to leave.

WineThenMisletoe · 23/01/2022 12:28

It is common for the anxiety of one person to pass onto the other. Do you find that over the years you too have become more anxious?

Greenmarmalade · 23/01/2022 13:04

@QuiteAtALoss based on this scenario- there’s nothing to suggest this wouldn’t happen. I think it’s worth knowing and preparing for.

Spinning247 · 23/01/2022 13:55

I was in a very similar situation. He got worse an worse. I left a couple of years ago and is a nightmare to co-parent with. It is hard on the children but 10x better than staying - at least you can show them what normal is. DM me if you ever want to chat.

Spinning247 · 23/01/2022 14:04

I could have written your post about the running and the ‘fear’ of the children being kidnapped. It is disturbing how similar these men are - like they’re reading from the same script.
I found this book really helped: www.goodreads.com/book/show/224552.Why_Does_He_Do_That_

secular39 · 23/01/2022 16:53

I'm not sure. I have a friend who is very much like this but it's because she was sexually abused when she was younger.

FluffyLamkins · 23/01/2022 20:45

Thank you. I’ve read the Why does he do that book. Plus several about toxic people, controlling people and verbally abusive. I’m pretty aware of how he is but it’s just that thought of leaving. I am in a good position financially, I earn more and have the house deposit in an account under my control. I agree that it’s the thought of being like this for the next 5, 10 years that means I want to do something about it. We’ve been married ten years together for 12.

I’m going to get a plan together and call Women’s Aid for advice.

We did go to counselling before but he felt me and the counsellor “ganged up” on him! So she saw it but it didn’t really change anything substantial. When I think about it, it’s not a minor change of behaviour. It’s a personality transplant needed as goes to the core of his way of being.

Gawd. Thanks all for your views and support xx

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FluffyLamkins · 23/01/2022 20:50

@WineThenMisletoe Yea I think so. Because he’s on high alert for danger and always overly protective. Plus I’m anxious about his reaction. Sometimes his anxiety has been proved “right” and he uses these random examples to show that his way is right. With covid it’s been hard as the uber-cautious approach wasn’t easy ie wiping down the shopping with disinfectant and not mixing with others means more isolation.

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Aquamarine1029 · 23/01/2022 20:57

He views you as property to control. You can't possibly divorce this man fast enough, for your sake but especially for the sake of your children. The example being set for them by your marriage will have lifelong, damaging effects.

Frivolous55 · 23/01/2022 22:47

I’m going to give an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think your husband is controlling or abusive. I think he suffers from extreme anxiety. And when he wanted to know where you were going for a run, it wasn’t to control you. It’s probably because he was genuinely worried something bad could happen to you and so felt slightly reassured by knowing where you were. Is your husband aware that he is so anxious and that his thoughts are not helpful or healthy? I think if he could get significant help with his anxiety, it could help your marriage. For example he would be less inclined to kick up a fuss about another parent taking your daughter as he could be more rational in his thinking. That being said, I can imagine it’s very hard to live with this and so understandable if you want to leave. But I think it’s very easy for people to make negative judgements and tell someone to leave their marriage having only read a short post.

Shoxfordian · 24/01/2022 09:05

Maybe he does have anxiety issues but this doesn’t mean he has the right to tell the op what to do

What professional help has he had about this anxiety? Has he considered getting any therapy?

pointythings · 24/01/2022 09:32

If this is anxiety, it's on the husband to address it and develop coping mechanisms so that he doesn't behave in a controlling fashion to his family. There's only so long anyone can and should put up with this kind of behaviour, and mental ill health is no excuse for behaving like a twat.

NYnewstart · 24/01/2022 09:47

Does he mind about you or the kids going out in the first place or is he ok about you actually doing things but just wants you to do them as safely as possible? The difference is crucial because anxiety should be met with a bit more sympathy.

That doesn’t mean it’s any more acceptable though and you and the kids shouldn’t have to live like that. It’s not mentally healthy for the kids not to have age appropriate freedom.

He needs to get help for anxiety if it is indeed that, but it’s up to you if you hang around for the result of that, if indeed he accepts he needs help in the first place.

sosickofthisshit · 24/01/2022 09:58

God he sounds exactly like my exh. I put up with it for 18 years. Please don't be me. He used to pretend it was because he was so worried something would happen to us, and he just cared so much. It was bullshit, and it was basically because he couldn't stand the thought of me and DS having a life or interests that didn't revolve around him. Then I found out he was going through my phone and reading all my messages. He's a controlling, abusive arsehole and you need to get your ducks in a row, and get the hell out.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 24/01/2022 10:14

It actually doesn't matter whether his behaviour is a result of mental health problems or abusive nature, or a mixture. The end result is misery and control for the OP and her children and she needs to get out of there and teach her children that the world is not a terrible, dangerous place where they will die if they step outside daddy's "rules".

OP that your DD knew that your H would be angry/anxious about them going and felt she had to "reassure" him means that this is now at crisis point. She is moderating her natural childhood behaviour to appease him. How long before she is turning down invitations because she doesn't want to upset daddy? She is learning to walk on eggshells just like you are doing.

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