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How do we fix this?

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roses910 · 01/01/2022 17:42

So I started seeing my bf in May this year and it was great for about 2 and a half months. He had briefly told me about this girl (we'll call her Jessica) when we first started, I was fine okay with it because everytime he mentioned her, he kept saying they met a while back and nothing happened, they're just good friends. My definition of "a while back" is about 6-8 months ago but his is about 2 months ago. June came round and it's my bf's birthday and he tells me Jessica sent him a flirty comment and he tells her that his gf wouldn't appreciate that; this is when Jessica finds out about me. All this time I knew about Jessica but Jessica didn't even know my bf was dating let alone in a relationship with me. My bf is confused but lets it slide because she doesn't want to talk about it. July comes round and my bf reminds me that Jessica is coming to our town to see him and I'm surprised because I completely forgotten that he had briefly mentioned it the start of June and I thought they left it on a weird note, I tell him this but I'm like I trust you. I go on a trip out of town with my family and she visits on the days I'm out of town. He posts pictures and videos of them at an underground romantic italian restaurant that I had taken him on his birthday because he had never been there before, he had never posted me on his story, all of this made me upset. I tell him about my discomfort the next evening and I thought he invited his friend to hang out with them to ease my discomfort but this was later told to me to change up the environment for Jessica because my bf felt distant from her. Jessica leaves and I'm back from my trip. I have a dream where my bf is cheating on me with Jessica and there's a bouquet of sunflowers and roses in there. Ever since this dream, I have very bad discomfort with my bf and Jessica's friendship. I learn more and more about their relationship, how they were recent, nothing physical happened between them but they did have feelings for each other at one point. After a month and a half of breakdowns, I'm done, I feel like I've been piecing together a lot of things instead of just being told from the start the whole story about my bf and Jessica so after a lot of convincing, I tell my bf to go talk to her. And that's when he even finds out that she still had feelings for him and he ends their friendship. (He now understands my point of view on this and how it was an emotional affair, we both agree that it's a level of cheating)

Skip forward to November, I'm still hurt by my bf dismissing my feelings as just jealousy and not doing anything to ease my discomfort, he didn't think I should know that Jessica didn't know about me, he didn't do everything to not go to that italian restaurant, and some of the stuff he was saying didn't add up, so I told him I was going to talk to Jessica and he was supportive. I talked to Jessica and found out that even though they agreed to just be friends and nothing more in April, she still flirted with my bf here and there. Our conversation ended on a sour note and she had sent screenshots of the conversation to my bf (even though I had already sent him them). Jessica reaches out to my bf's best friend because they're friends and she tells her she doesn't want her name mentioned around my bf or me and that we're blocked.

I told my bf that I don't feel comfortable being friends with his best friend or being around her because she's friends with Jessica therefore her loyalties are with Jessica and I just want to remove every part of Jessica from me because a lot of things have been very triggering for me: the italian restaurant, the hotel she stayed, sunflowers, etc. My bf has told his best friend all about what's been going on and that easing my mind would ease his mind because he wants us all to comfortable and be able to hang out in group settings, but his best friend said that something similar has happened before with her friends and that cutting people off isn't the solution. Later on, Jessica removes his best friend from everything and his best friend tells him that she barely spoke to Jessica or reached out because Jessica's crazy. So I'm even more frustrated because she could've done something (cut off someone she doesn't care for) to ease her best friend and my discomfort but chose not to, even if it's a temporary relief.

We tried to break up and then he told me he was thinking of cutting off the friendship with his best friend for me but I told him I don't want him to do that nor do I want him to choose between me and her, I even said I'd take myself out of the equation because this is all too much. But he really wants to make it work. I've tried to set a boundary where I don't attend any event his best friend is at (his birthday, christmas parties etc) but at the same time I feel like I'm left out if all his friends are there with his best friend but not me. His best friend and his other friends have been friends for a long time so I don't think it's sustainable for me to be distant to her but still be friends with his friends. My bf is still confused on why I feel upset and how to go about handling these events even though I've voiced everything and repeated myself a dozen times. He really wants things to work but I feel like I've given him so many chances to him, he's weakened my trust for him so much that I have to set so many boundaries because I don't trust him to make me feel comfortable. How can we fix this?

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AlDanvers · 01/01/2022 18:45

@roses910

A mature adult can recognise her feelings are just as valid as everyone else's. forget the dream. I was hurt because I was cheated on, you dont need to sleep with someone to cheat. I felt hurt because I trusted someone too soon into a relationship and of course my trust is going to weaken because I was hurt so early in this relationship. Moving forward I'll keep my guard up and set boundaries early on.
Where did he cheat?
roses910 · 01/01/2022 18:47

@pipplekins how am I using the dream as an excuse to control? it was simply a manifestion of how I was feeling at the time: the girl my bf essentially told me not to worry about came to visit him when I was out of town of all days and I had to see them go to our restaurant and the place me and my bf went our first date, and even though I voiced my discomfort, he did nothing to ease it.

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AlDanvers · 01/01/2022 18:50

Your first date?

Your first date was on his birthday and you took him out, paid in full because ea man you have never dated before had never been?

That's very full on.

Besides which, you two going together doesn't mean he can't ever go again with anyone else.

roses910 · 01/01/2022 18:53

@AlDanvers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_affair#Characteristics

He was oblivious and wanted to keep me and Jessica both in his life hence dismissing my jealousy because he thought I'd get over it

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AlDanvers · 01/01/2022 18:56

[quote roses910]@AlDanvers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_affair#Characteristics

He was oblivious and wanted to keep me and Jessica both in his life hence dismissing my jealousy because he thought I'd get over it[/quote]
Yes, I am an adult. I know what an emotional affair is.

I can't see where he had one. Wanting to keep a friend that your girlfriend doesn't like, doesn't automatically mean an emotional affair.

If you consider it cheating. Then why would you want to work this out?

It appears you want to consider him a cheat so you can force him to peiotise you out of guilt for this perceived cheating.

Its not going to work long term. I think you would struggle in any long term relationship.

roses910 · 01/01/2022 18:56

@AlDanvers our first date was in May, we became official start of June and his birthday was end of June. It was implied that the restaurant was OUR place considering I took him there on a special occasion as a surprise and the vibe of the restaurant - romantic, intimate, underground.
The first date was at a cafe, if it was just the cafe and another place fine but it was all these special places combined that hurt

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roses910 · 01/01/2022 18:59

This wasn't just a friend though, they had feelings for each other and she clearly felt something for him since she flirted with him. It's insensitive to say I would struggle in any long term relationship, would you feel comfortable with your partner being friends with an ex who still felt something for them?

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Nocutenamesleft · 01/01/2022 19:02

@Rose789

okay forget about the dream, I was just explaining why I was triggered by them, it's not the main issue I'm trying to tackle here. The main issue is how do my bf and I tackle the issue with his best friend. what boundary can I make with his best friend that is reasonable and doesn't create discomfort for me?

I guess when you all get back to school things will be easier

I spat out my tea and woke the cat!!!

Hahahaha. Fucking excellent

Nocutenamesleft · 01/01/2022 19:05

So he was friends with his ex. Ok

He’s friends with a female. Ok.

His ex and his friend are friends. Ok.

You’re all adults……..(I assume).

So maybe act like it?!? The dream is silly. It’s a dream. Do you dream you win the lottery and say. Well. I was so hurt because I woke up and realise it wasn’t real

Your boyfriend. His ex and her friend haven’t actually don’t anything really. I mean him going for a meal is a bit suss. But he told you well in advance etc.

My husband and I have friends of the opposite sex. But we also have something called trust.

user1471442488 · 01/01/2022 19:06

What a load of childish nonsense. You all need to grow up ffs.

AlDanvers · 01/01/2022 19:08

She isn't an ex? They fancied eachother before.

So it wasn't where you went on your first date.
She isn't an ex.
It was, you believe, "implied" it was your special place. Except he doesn't agree with that.

She is an annoying friend who may have had feelings for him and has cut him off.

If I was uncomfortable with any of Dps friendships, then I would have stopped dating him. Not carried on dating someone, whose boundaries I am not compatible with.

Nocutenamesleft · 01/01/2022 19:08

@roses910

This wasn't just a friend though, they had feelings for each other and she clearly felt something for him since she flirted with him. It's insensitive to say I would struggle in any long term relationship, would you feel comfortable with your partner being friends with an ex who still felt something for them?
Absolutely wouldn’t bother me.

Because I trust my husband. Even if w famous movie star ran up to him naked. I’d trust him!

Funnylittlefloozie · 01/01/2022 19:09

But 10/10 for creative writing. You've got GCSE English Language in the bag, I reckon!

Nocutenamesleft · 01/01/2022 19:11

@Funnylittlefloozie

But 10/10 for creative writing. You've got GCSE English Language in the bag, I reckon!
Ha. Stop.

My snorting has embarrassed the kids!

roses910 · 01/01/2022 19:11

@Nocutenamesleft he didn't tell me that he was going to that specific place. he only told me that she was coming for 2 days, not even the month. just a free weekend. she ended up coming for 3 days but either way, this whole thing is sus. if you're visiting someone who's just a friend, why are you making a whole trip out of it? especially after you made a flirty comment and then find out that person has a gf

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IWasFunBeforeMum · 01/01/2022 19:12

How old do you have to be to sign up to Mumsnet? 13 and up judging by this pathetic little soap opera.

girlmom21 · 01/01/2022 19:13

if you're visiting someone who's just a friend, why are you making a whole trip out of it?

We've got friends who live 2.5 hours away and we're not doing a 5 hour round trip to spend a couple of days with them.

Nocutenamesleft · 01/01/2022 19:15

[quote roses910]@Nocutenamesleft he didn't tell me that he was going to that specific place. he only told me that she was coming for 2 days, not even the month. just a free weekend. she ended up coming for 3 days but either way, this whole thing is sus. if you're visiting someone who's just a friend, why are you making a whole trip out of it? especially after you made a flirty comment and then find out that person has a gf[/quote]
But none of that even matters

You’re looking at her. But forget her. What about him? If you trust him you don’t need to worry about her.

If you don’t trust ‘him’. Then you’ve got bigger problems.

TabithaTittlemouse · 01/01/2022 19:17

If you truly believe that this was an emotional affair then why on earth are you trying to fix this?

Btw I often dream that I tripped up a step but I’m not triggered by steps.

Sunflowers in dreams are a good thing.

Nocutenamesleft · 01/01/2022 19:17

[quote roses910]@AlDanvers our first date was in May, we became official start of June and his birthday was end of June. It was implied that the restaurant was OUR place considering I took him there on a special occasion as a surprise and the vibe of the restaurant - romantic, intimate, underground.
The first date was at a cafe, if it was just the cafe and another place fine but it was all these special places combined that hurt[/quote]
It’s a place

I don’t have any special places with my husband. I just don’t understand maybe….

Waspsarearseholes · 01/01/2022 19:18

How much relationship experience can you actually have at the ripe old age of 22? You say it's 'a lot'. That would suggest many short term relationships rather than numerous long term ones, given your age. It's also a bit telling when people describe relationships in terms of half-months. Most children grow out of this after their seven-and-a-half birthday.
The dream flowers 'triggering' you is so absurd it's actually bordering on offensive to people who have genuine triggers following genuine trauma. Your boyfriend and his harem are not responsible for your dreams.
Your preciousness over the restaurant is ridiculous. You've been there once with your boyfriend by the sounds of it. What does that make the supermarket as you've probably been there loads of times together?
You sound like you just love the drama. The whole thing about speaking with 'Jessica', etc is so cringe-worthy it's uncomfortable to read about. Either trust him and carry on or don't and don't. Those are literally your two options.

roses910 · 01/01/2022 19:19

@AlDanvers they dated in jan-feb before it felt more like a friendship, they had a conversation about just being friends in April but she still flirted with him here and there. He did think of this restaurant as our special place and so he did suggest other places to her but she still wanted to go to this specific place, I feel like if he said it was special because we went there on a special occasion, that might've convinced her.

You're right about that last part though, I should've let this relationship go much sooner since our boundaries aren't compatible

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TabithaTittlemouse · 01/01/2022 19:21

@roses910

This wasn't just a friend though, they had feelings for each other and she clearly felt something for him since she flirted with him. It's insensitive to say I would struggle in any long term relationship, would you feel comfortable with your partner being friends with an ex who still felt something for them?
She’s not an ex.

If Dh had feelings for anyone else I wouldn’t be with him. I wouldn’t be pissing around talking about setting boundaries with his friends.

Your little boyfriend has done this, not the girl, not his best friend. Him!

roses910 · 01/01/2022 19:21

@Nocutenamesleft well I hope your husband's favourite celeb runs up to him naked and let's see if your limits are tested

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ChuckMater · 01/01/2022 19:22

Christ, are you both 14?

Move on, that post took me longer than your relationship length to read. You've been together 7 months.. hes broken your trust already, you don't trust him and it all seems very juvenile. Just move on and find someone better