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Is it ever ok for....

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LifePartyRing · 30/12/2021 23:10

... a father to hit his children in any way? A slap around the head, a bigger slap when he's really angry. Never leaving bruises except once a slap on face left a big mark on face before school (I'm told)

Parenting using fear, using fear to get compliance ?

Shouting and being domineering to get his way?

Justifying his actions by saying his father dealt out much worse to him as a boy eg knocking him to the ground?

I know the answers, I am not stupid at all. It's a complex situation and it's hard to see the wood for the trees.

I'm divorced from him and get reports of the above from kids. Some of it I see (only the physical abuse once recently and I went bat shit at him but he is still doing it). Eldest is very enmeshed in this. Strongly attached. Tells me these things happen then screams about how I might (I will tbh) do something to stop him seeing her and she'd forever hate me (that won't stop me). Tells me he's awful but that she wants to be with him and she hates being with me?.

Very fragile mental health for one of the children and removing contact will be hugely impactful before it becomes helpful. I know he needs reporting- the fall out will be enormous however in many ways.

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LifePartyRing · 31/12/2021 10:29

@Borderterrierpuppy

Hi Op I am probably 20 yrs down the road from where you are now. My exh ruled with verbal meltdowns when he felt like it when seeing our two sons. Neither of them have anything to do with him now, but what is worse has been the effect on their mental health and ability to form relationships. Protect your children from this man the stress of having a parent behave like this is huge for children. X
Thank you for sharing your situation. That long term thing is so key for me. I know relationships really suffer off the back of crap parenting.
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LifePartyRing · 31/12/2021 10:31

@ElectraBlue

It is not complex: this man is abusing your kids, you nee to protect them. Report him.

I had a similar father and my mother never did anything to protect me. I have been estranged from them for most of my adult life and my childhood/ teenage years left me with horrendous mental scars.

Thank you. I need to read these things I'm sorry you had rubbish childhood.
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Weeteeny · 01/01/2022 23:41

I spoke to a solicitor as my xdh and I had a legal agreement in place with regards to shared care of our DS. My youngest DS had disclosed events gradually that had led him to decide that he wanted to cease contact with his Dad and when he shared these with me I was horrified and fully supported him
Of course his Dad is very unhappy and threatening both of us with legal action and the "authorities" and continues to make these threats however hasn't actually done so, yet anyway .
Ultimately my solicitor was able to reassure me that my DSs view will be listened to in court, also that my xdh is entirely in the wrong in his behaviour and is in danger of losing his parental rights if he was foolish enough to start action legally . We wrote to him and told him this, as he won't listen to any advice I have.

If he is stupid enough to take forward legally , it is for him to take the next step. At the moment we are sitting tight awaiting his latest farcical approach. If he does speak to the "authorities" then I have supporting evidence going back 3 years , and also my DSs own views will be held into account .

She explained to me that his behaviour was at the serious end of both mental and physical abuse ,,, it sounds stupid now but when you are conditioned yourself it is easy to minimise things and for me it was a way of validating my feelings and that I was doing the right thing instead of continuing trying to.mediate the situation for the sake of maintaining contact.

I understand where you are coming from Op as for a considerable time I thought that the most important thing was maintaining contact even if this contact was less than ideal. I have now changed my view on that and realise that to protect my DS , the solution is no contact. Hard as that may be.

My xdh will.not change , will not suddenly mend his ways and be a great father . That ship has sailed ., even today he has text my son to say he doesn't understand waht he has done and it is hurting his feelings that he doesn't want to see him.

This follows months of emotional abuse, verbal and physical assaults , and hosting him in an entirely toxic environment with his crackpot of partner who has also subjected my Ds to harm, unprotected by xDH. Yet he has no idea what he has done apparently.

Op, do something now before things escalate. It will be difficult but I promise you your DC will look back and be thankful you have taken steps to protect them . They need to have an example of a positive environment to help them in later life .
I agonised like yourself, however the thought of my Ds poentially coming to further harm and realising later in life that I had the opportunity to help and did nothing would be horrific.

Like you OP, my xdh has a professional job and is respected, likewise his partner would be at risk of losing her professional livelyhood and reputation due to her involvement .

I would advise you to document and keep all evidence you can. These could be text conversations between you and the DC and also DH, photos etc. Even document yourself daily if relevant . I would text my sister daily with updates , and this helps me with chronological sequences of events etc .

Weeteeny · 02/01/2022 00:01

Newlifenow, your situation and xdh sound very similar to mine. Though I am a few years further down the line.

Men like these do not change .

My xdh has an amazing ability to re write history in his head . He is the law and knows better than everyone. 1000 people could tell him otherwise, however he would remain incredulous at the suggestion he is wrong

NewLifeNow · 02/01/2022 03:04

@Weeteeny

What you've written is like holding up a mirror to my own situation and I hope it is helpful to OP, but whether it is not not, it certainly is to me! Massively.

I really am fair to a fault, or at least for H. Not for me. And unfortunately it has not been to the DC too, but I am beginning to see that now and that's why I'm acting on it with my own non-mol and occupational order now .

The sad thing is, he's been trying recently to really love-bomb the DC, which makes it much harder. But even with his efforts (which, by the way is only over the Christmas holidays period, so about 10 days long), he's beginning to revert to type again. My DC also report to me he hits when when I'm out and it's become normal life for them. I was horrified. I had absolutely no clue. But it reinforces to me, if it's like this when their protector lives in the house, what on earth will it be like when I'm removed? I cannot bear to think.

Being fair to a fault I doubt myself and give exH chance after chance to change. But I realise he's not going to, and reading your post really helps cement this realisation. It's hard to come to that though, so I need as many stories as yours and the OP's as I can to remind myself how situations like this really are.

So thank you so much for sharing this and I wish you such a good and peaceful, happy life.

arcof · 02/01/2022 03:41

I think you have to set aside the wishes of your children to continue to see him or whatever they are saying - They are children and it's your job to protect them. Your desire to consider their wishes is commendable/understandable but I think you must report and seek to have his contact removed. I hope in time your kids will understand why you did this. They likely need counselling. I wish you all the best.

Weeteeny · 02/01/2022 10:30

I wish you all the best Newlifenow, you will get through this x

LifePartyRing · 03/01/2022 08:40

@Weeteeny

Newlifenow, your situation and xdh sound very similar to mine. Though I am a few years further down the line.

Men like these do not change .

My xdh has an amazing ability to re write history in his head . He is the law and knows better than everyone. 1000 people could tell him otherwise, however he would remain incredulous at the suggestion he is wrong

I think this point about these kind of men not being able to see their actions are wrong is a key part of this. Even standing in front of a judge under a spotlight they would still be claiming it's their right to hit their children.

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LifePartyRing · 14/01/2022 22:35

It's done now.

Shockwaves of the impact are really really painful but it's done.

Predictably he's being vile.

Importantly everyone including the school where he had a role, believed me.

I'm updating in case it helps anyone else.

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pog100 · 15/01/2022 08:51

Well done, OP. It's fucking hard but you are doing the right thing.

LifePartyRing · 18/01/2022 14:24

@Weeteeny
@NewLifeNow

I was re- reading the thread and was reflecting on the similarity of our situations.

I wondered where you are both at now ?

I'm still so close to the epicentre still that it's hard to see the wood for the trees.

Trying to work out what the next moves will be. He's definitely in the narcissistic camp so I know meditation is not a good idea. I was reading about parenting plans on cafcass website and wondering how feasible that might be.
I guess he will have to accept responsibility for his actions and be prepared to act differently which seems unlikely but I will remain hopeful.
Given he's currently debating his rights to chastise the kids by law its looking iffy.

I'd appreciate the support of hearing anyone else's story / progress.

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LifePartyRing · 18/01/2022 14:36

Mediation not meditation.
Suspect meditation would be even harder than mediation though just now!

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NewLifeNow · 18/01/2022 21:46

Mine's going badly wrong. I got the non-mol but they wanted to do an undertaking and then have tried to pull a cross undertaking which I am worried weakens my case considerably.

I not feeling supported by my solicitor at all.

Suzanne999 · 18/01/2022 22:23

I’m sure you wouldn’t put up with anyone else hitting your children. If he is hitting your children so hard to leave marks, what if he goes further and knocks one unconscious ?
I think you’ve got a long haul on your hands but break it up.
First report to the school, your GP and SS. Take photos of any injuries as evidence.
There’s no reason that contact would be cut completely, perhaps supervised access only?
Push the school, GP and SS for counselling / therapy for your children so they can come to understand that the person who does the violence is the person in the wrong, not you, not them, not the man in the moon —- their father. That is probably somewhere in the future but for now you have to protect your children before the violence escalates even further.

LifePartyRing · 19/01/2022 07:48

@NewLifeNow

Mine's going badly wrong. I got the non-mol but they wanted to do an undertaking and then have tried to pull a cross undertaking which I am worried weakens my case considerably.

I not feeling supported by my solicitor at all.

I'm sorry to hear this @NewLifeNow

Glad the non mol is sorted. Least he has to stay away.
I had to look up the undertaking point and I'm not sure I'm entirely understanding it.
Without feeling support from the solicitor I'd imagine that life feels really hard.
What happens next?

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