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Preparing to separate from my narcissistic (?) husband

17 replies

Debsisdoingthis · 18/12/2021 22:53

Hello all,
To begin, as a point of reference, we live in Australia.
I have read here silently for the past two years or so, knowing that something is gravely wrong with my marriage. We have been married for nearly 24 years and have 9 children, including two young adults and a 2 year old. 8 of the kids still live at home.

My husband has always been manipulative in this marriage. Over the course of 23.5 years, I have been effectively silenced from raising grievances (of which there are many, and they are significant) that I have with him. He has done this by blame shifting, gaslighting, minimising, coercing apologies and so on. I have changed to accommodate him in order to keep our marriage “happy”; he has never changed, or only slightly when he feels pressed.

My husband has been neglectful and avoidant in his care for our children. He has been volatile and frightening when he loses his (very short) temper. He can go from fine one moment to yelling uncontrollably the next. The kids and I have lived our lives walking on eggshells to avoid setting him off.

My husband lives most of his life, as an able bodied person, in bed. If he is at home, you can be 99% sure that he’s in bed, on his phone and his computer, with a deck of cards in his hand. He has rarely helped with the children, rarely spends time with them, actually avoids them (because they are noisy, energetic, and behave like children behave). He has not helped with the running of the household in the least - not inside the house, nor maintenance or upkeep outside the house. He has not helped with finances, making arrangements for any family events, basically he goes to work (or, as often as possible, works from bed at home) and that’s it. He doesn’t usually even come out for meals.

He sexually assaulted me while drunk about 9 years ago and seems to think I should be over it by now. He does not seem to grasp in any real way the effect that his behaviour has had on me and the kids. My oldest four children all struggle with depression and anxiety to the point that they’ve needed emergent care on three separate occasions. I see signs of emotional issues in most of my younger kids as well. Recently I’ve been feeling like the only way out of this is for me to die, and I can not and will not ever abandon my children. So dying is not an option and now I must do the brave thing and end this marriage. It is literally a choice between the two because I can not keep doing this.

About 9 months ago, he flew into a rage over a minor incident with one of our children. He threw a solid wood dining room chair across the room, which hit my 2yo child in the back of the head. She hit the tiled floor with the front of her head. Thank god she was okay, she could have been killed. I told him to leave so I could think about what to do. He did; we spent three days talking things through and I set boundaries, required him to get help and told him if anything like that ever happened again he would be gone. Then he came home.

Since that incident, he has not had a major incident of rage and while he does still lose his temper with the children, it is not as extreme anymore. He is seeing a psychologist. Things seemed slightly hopeful, but I told him I’d be watching him, and I have been.

I have realised that, although he is making some changes, he is still manipulating me when we have a disagreement and at other times. I have come to realise that he is not capable of true and meaningful change, and that as long as he has his safe bubble at home to retreat into, he will never adequately address the real issues that he has. I have begun to pull away from him, and I know he senses this, and he is scared that I’m going to leave him. He has been increasing his love bombing to annoying levels, saying I love you a million times, asking if I need anything, offering me mints even though he knows I don’t like them and always say no. It’s like he’s grasping at any pathetic means to “be helpful”. He seems to think I’m having an affair or something too as he will video call me about totally nonsensical things when I’m out, or question why I’m going somewhere and so on. Basically he is feeling massively insecure, and with good reason.

I’m preparing to tell him we are separating. I’ve tried very hard to make sure my kids and I can make it on our own, and it is going to be tough financially, but I think we’ll be ok. We have a fairly high mortgage payment that is my main concern, but I have done the figures and I do think we’ll be able to make it. I still have lots of little things to consider like how to handle joint bank accounts and how to fairly divide the money we currently have and so on. I am not prepared to ask for child support at the moment, as his job is religious in nature and he will likely have to resign over this. He should not be in ministry anyway. But I want to give him a chance to get on his feet before I chase child support.

My main questions here are: as I prepare to separate, what other things do I need to be looking into or be aware of?

And: is it normal to feel completely horrible about doing this, knowing he’s been making at least some effort? It may be bare minimum effort (he’s been taking out the garbage nightly and making sure the kitchen is tidy before bed, which is the first time in our marriage he has ever consistently done anything to help) but he’s going to say “but I’ve been trying so hard!” What do I say to that?

And: what does my exit speech look like? Any tips?

And: do I wait until after Christmas? My counsellor says to do it as soon as possible and I feel repulsed by the idea of having to have sex with him; I have been avoiding it quite well so far but it will probably become an issue and I want to make sure that I have my safety plan in place when I tell him we’re separating, so any disagreement rn feels very precarious.

And: is it normal to be really scared?

Thank you.

OP posts:
Bogeyes · 18/12/2021 23:11

The chair throwing incident would have been the end for me. Get away from this man asap.

Number4224 · 18/12/2021 23:21

I would think it’s normal to feel scared, you’re making a big change (even though it’s a positive one) and change can be scary.
Remember why you’re doing it, at some point he will revert to type and you and/or your children could be seriously hurt and it was sheer luck that your child wasn’t badly injured from the chair incident. Life really is too short to stay and be miserable and your children will thank you for it.

FabriqueBelgique · 18/12/2021 23:41

Can you get a women’s charity to help you through the process? For your family’s safety. Also having any male family members or friends who can be around during the process is helpful.

13yearslater · 19/12/2021 00:31

Where in Australia?

13yearslater · 19/12/2021 00:35

9 kids?

Theunamedcat · 19/12/2021 00:35

Fear is normal it is the most dangerous time when they finally realise your serious

Don't act alone have some contact with real life people who know what your going to do

Debsisdoingthis · 19/12/2021 01:17

Thanks all. I am putting together a safety plan which will involve my brother being present when I tell my husband, and my kids being away from the house during that time. I will also plug into any help I can find, I know that the children and I will all need support through this.

I don’t feel comfortable giving any further identifying information, such as my location within Australia. And yes, nine kids. They are the best thing that ever happened to me, each one is an indescribable blessing and I’m very thankful for all of them.

I probably should have made him go permanently after the chair incident. It was the first time I’d ever really set my foot down and it seemed appropriate to allow him a chance to change his behaviour. It’s only been in the last few months that I’ve realised that he is most likely a narcissist and is not capable of change without some serious intervention.

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Debsisdoingthis · 19/12/2021 01:21

And because I know people are likely to be thinking it: yes 23.5 years is a long frickin time. I married when I was 19 immediately after moving out of my parents’ house. My dad is also (I believe) a narcissist. So I have no idea what a normal, healthy relationship looks like from the inside because I’ve never seen it. It has literally taken this long for me to figure out exactly what is going on here.

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Debsisdoingthis · 19/12/2021 11:55

Bumping because PLEASE I need help,
Support, words of strength and wisdom. I have 9 lives in my care as well as my own; please help me do the right thing!!! I’m genuinely lost and confused, please help.

OP posts:
feelsobadfeltsogood · 19/12/2021 12:02

Please leave this awful man
Why on earth did you have 9 children with someone so awful???
Get some help and leave him for
You and your children
You deserve better

LittlefairyMum · 19/12/2021 12:03

He is destroying your kids.

Whatever about you, you wanted him and chose to keep him,,, even after all he has done to you all.

Stop worrying about his feelings. Kick him out and take care of your kids.

You'll be dealing with their MH issues, not him.

Poor kids.

He's a horrible human.

Igmum · 19/12/2021 12:28

Sending love. Well done on planning to leave. Go as soon as possible. This is the best Christmas gift ever to you and your kids Thanks

BigbreastsBiggerbeard · 19/12/2021 12:44

If he asks why, when he's been 'trying so hard', have a list ready. Include the sexual assault, the injuring of the child, the manipulation, plus everything else you can think off (and I'm sure there's loads). You don't have to justify your decision. Be prepared though, as whatever you say he will probably have a response "I thought we'd moved past that" "You should have forgotten about that by now", etc. Anything he says will be to get you to backtrack, change your mind. So you need to avoid getting sucked into to justifying your actions. Have you read up on the Grey Rock technique? This is very useful.

Do you have support in real life? Anyone who you can inform about your plans and who will have your back?

Cherrysoup · 19/12/2021 13:57

Kick him out. I don’t think waiting til after Christmas is valid, why would you do that? I’m appalled at what he did to your 2 year old. Feel no guilt as you shove him out the door and tell him he needs to leave as you are the main carer for your dc.

billy1966 · 19/12/2021 14:07

Your poor children have been terrorised by this man.

How could you have stayed after your child was assaulted.

How could you not have contacted the police.

4 children with MH issues, and others have issues too?

Does this not tell you that your home is utterly toxic.

Involve the police like you should have done.

Tell them about the sexual assault.

What a truly awful situation.

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Debsisdoingthis · 20/12/2021 10:40

Yes I absolutely know my family is toxic. I’m not going to excuse or justify my behaviour in all of this; I’m owning it and now I’m dealing with it.

Yesterday, a small discussion with him turned into a mental breakdown for me. I told him everything I’ve been keeping inside and I told him we’re separating. I went off in an ambulance to have my mental health assessed.

Today, I am home and he is gone. I have gathered as many resources as I could find while in hospital. Now the time has come for me to begin helping my children and me to heal. Yes, it has taken too long. But I am here now.

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billy1966 · 20/12/2021 10:51

Good for you.

Tell the authorities the truth.

His serious assault on a two year old.

His rape of you 9 years ago.

Your childrens MH issues.

Be honest.

Lay it out there so you can access the maximum help and ensure he never returns.

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