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In-laws help

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KnackeredElf · 15/12/2021 19:52

I need some advice on how to work with my in-laws.
Things first went downhill during my pregnancy when my MiL tried to announce our baby news to my partner's family before we had our scan. Also, from very early on, we received baby gifts in the post, which we understood came from a place of excitement and joy for MiL. However, this made us feel very vulnerable as I was originally early into the pregnancy but we made sure she always got an appreciative text as a minimum. Each time this happened, she complained that we had not thanked her enough and sent us angry messages. This culminated in two weeks before my due date where we made a list of different ways to thank her (text, phonecall, photograph) and she still sent a very angry message. In the end, my partner called her to say that we did not need any more gifts. During this, he did raise his voice briefly, but I had been in the hospital for reduced foetal movement and he had tired of receiving yet another angry response to a very loving, thankful message. (Tbh he seemed more nervous about his mother than the RFM.)
After I gave birth, MiL announced the arrival of DS to various WhatsApp groups, which my partner only found out about when he received messages of congratulations. My son needed a very short time in the ICU, and my MiL was aware of the tests they were doing, so we were uncomfortable with any announcements before we were out of the woods. It also meant MiL's friends found out about the birth before DH's own father. My partner texted her telling her not to do this.
This is where thingsbecame very upsetting. MiL told DH's family that he was being abusive and yelled at her down the phone (he hadn't - the only time in his life he had done this was two weeks previously for a matter of moments). When in-laws found out about this, they organised for different members of the family to call DH up throughout a period of 2-3 days and call him a horrible and abusive person. All but one of his family ignored photos of my son to coldshoulder him - due to being ignored, no one asked about thehealth ofmyDS after his ICU visit,which they were aware of.
Since then, MiL has visited and has refused to hand DS back to me when asked. (This includes when she was drinking fresh, boiling hot coffee and I asked for him back as a matter of safety.) We also asked for her not to share photos of DS (we don't really like images of him on stranger's phones) but she has been vocal about how silly she thinks this rule is.
This has led to so much anxiety for me. I'm so scared of offending MiL again because of the pain it causes and I have so much mum guilt because I feel like I was unable to protect DS from MiL. At the same time, I feel angry that while I was recovering from a traumatic, extended labour, my DH was more focused on his mother's feelings due to family pressure. It makes me look at other incidents over the past decade in a fresh light (they always a arrange a big family holiday every year when they know I can't get time off work so DH is the only one to go without his partner; I'm always hungry when I see in-laws as there's never any food which suit my allergy; I was invited to visit but was used as a taxi driver to ferry family members around; I've had tennis balls fired at me during games because I'd never played before and she wanted to win, ). She keeps asking questions like she's testing us and wanting us to fail as parents. I'm already worried about the next visit which might be months away. I feel like I've allowed myself to be a doormat and by association, my son will be treated in a similar way.
How do I parent my son with a family I see as a threat in the background?

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billy1966 · 15/12/2021 20:02

Have you any family?

If you have pack your bags and go home.

Leave your loser partner to his family.

Why you have allowed her visit is beyond me.

She would be blocked.

If the house is yours, tell your partner to leave.

You have spent a decade being abused.
Accept it, block them or leave.

Your partner is weak and doesn't have your back.

You shouldn't allow this woman NEAR your child.

It really is that simple.

Flowers
Double3xposure · 15/12/2021 20:05

@billy1966 is right. As always.

You can’t change him. You can’t change his family. You either live like this for the next 40 years or you leave.

Katyrosebug · 15/12/2021 20:17

Why do you even bother? You don't have to have her in your house and you don't have to talk to her. Just cut contact, you'll feel like a huge weight has been lifted

Loudestcat14 · 15/12/2021 20:17

Either he stands up to his mum and tells her to back the fuck off (and the other family members who wade in on her behalf), or you leave. He alone has the power to change the dynamic but I doubt he will, she's got him well trained. She sounds so toxic, I really feel for you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/12/2021 20:46

What billy1966 wrote.

His own inertia when it comes to his family hurts him as much as you. He will not change, he really is that afraid of her and reverts to child mode in her presence.

KnackeredElf · 15/12/2021 20:50

My DH really is supportive and has my back. However, when he pushes back you can understand how much he has to deal with. Very tough as he can't change his mum. I feel for him as much as me. Any advice over how I approach contact in the future? I can't imagine daring to say 'I don't want to see them anymore' and I won't let any of them near my child without me. Or should I just be open? Does anyone have any strategies which have worked for them?

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Double3xposure · 15/12/2021 20:53

Yes, what worked for me was going to contact. It improved my mental health immeasurably and it protected my children from having such an abusive and toxic person in their lives.

Laserbird16 · 15/12/2021 20:55

I'd approach contact by not bothering. They're horrible so don't waste time worrying about how to make them less horrible. Block and ignore

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/12/2021 20:56

How does he have your back exactly?. There is nothing in your initial post re your man that shows him supporting you. He is far more afraid of his mother than you and he seeks her approval even now. He can change how he reacts to her but he should also consider seeing a therapist to do this.

He may want to continue to see his mother but that does not mean that you have to meekly do the same. Where are your boundaries here with regards to them all?. Your job is to protect your son from malign and otherwise toxic influences like your MIL. You would not have tolerated any of that from a friend, she is no different. Do read Toxic In-laws by Susan Forward.

KnackeredElf · 15/12/2021 21:27

This has opened my eyes to how bad things are. Tbh the anxiety has had a knock-on effect for my baby and I know I don't want MiL in my house from this point on. How have other people managed no-contact? Do you just say they can't see their grandchildren any more?

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Sweetpeasaremadeofcheese · 15/12/2021 21:42

My mil was very overbearing in the first few years, now we get on great. What worked for us is I laid down a hard boundary (I said I would NEVER host her in my home again after an incident) and DH grew some balls and became assertive with her. Once she saw her shit wouldn't work things became much more pleasant. You need to create hard boundaries and then have each other's backs to enforce them.

Double3xposure · 15/12/2021 22:27

@KnackeredElf

This has opened my eyes to how bad things are. Tbh the anxiety has had a knock-on effect for my baby and I know I don't want MiL in my house from this point on. How have other people managed no-contact? Do you just say they can't see their grandchildren any more?
I would not frame it as telling them who they can or cannot see. It’s about you and your baby’s father deciding what’s best for your own child. Legally and morally that’s your responsibility - to care for him.

She is an adult and needs to decide for herself how she is going to behave. Ditto your partner.

Do you think it’s in your sons best interests to have a relationship with these people ? Have they added joy, love and support to your partner and you? Are your lives better for having them around ?

So what do you want for your son? That’s all you can control - at least now while he is small.

So yes of course, you and your DP can decide not to have them in your home.

You can decide not to talk to them on the phone or text them.

You @KnackeredElf can decide that you don’t want to see them again . But of course your partner needs to make his own choice and you have to agree a plan for your son.

You might agree that your DP takes your son to see them. Some people might see that as a compromise. However its done to make the adults involved feel better and not necessarily to do what’s best for the child.

I’m always surprised when parents say that this family member is too toxic for me to deal with so I’m going to allow them to poison my child’s mind instead Hmm.

I suspect that sadly your DP is too enmeshed in his own family to put you and baby first. And that he will always put his own feelings about your and baby’s welfare.

But I hope I’m wrong and you can agree a way forward that will keep your child safe and protect your mental health and well being.

KnackeredElf · 16/12/2021 13:03

Thanks for all your help, much appreciated Flowers

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