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I thought we were a partnership and then this... (long, sorry)

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ShatnersWig · 15/12/2021 14:59

My partner and I have been together 18 months although we live 100 miles apart and therefore only have weekends together. My work has been very problematic for the last 2.5 years for many reasons and it's all fallen on my shoulders and it's brought me to tears several times and the stress was such that in September I had to have a break.

My partner's boss has often been unreasonable - very big firm - and she earns more than 3 times what I do. We both work longish hours and we've talked about moving in together many times over the last 10 months and it's always been the case that I will have to move because her dad is in a care home there and she won't move. I respect and understand this. She says she would have a better quality of life if she moved to be with me but she won't move her dad or move herself. I have said I am prepared to move (I know no one where she does, all my friends and small family are here but I have always said I will move).

Jobs in my industry are very hard to come by at present (unlike hers) and I've been looking since the spring and there's only been a couple I could even apply for. I am thinking I may need to find a totally different career and again, I am prepared to do this for us to be together.

My work has been a real nightmare for the last three months since my break and it's really, really impacting my mental health. A last straw was reached on Friday and I said to my partner that I really had had enough and I wanted to resign. I had already expressed concerns that if I simply waited until I found a job we could still be separate this time next year. I have very good equity in my flat and decent savings. She has only recently bought hers and has no savings. My mortgage is £310 hers is £1500 and she has made a point of saying she has to stay in that job to be able to stay local to her dad.

She said she is more readily able to transfer her skills and her boss drives her mad but she needs to job to stay local and has some health concerns at the moment with operations in January (I'm taking two weeks off work to be able to look after her during the recovery period) and needs the private healthcare. She said I can't resign because "we both have bills to pay darling. It's crappy but let's do this properly on our terms rather than a knee jerk reaction because we are dealing with arseholes today". That was Friday.

On Sunday we had a chat about things and something came up and I said "look, we were both on our own for a long time before we got together, me twice as long as you, and sometimes you are so independent I feel pushed out. You'll be doing something and I offer to help because we're a partnership and I want to help and you insist on doing it yourself. We may not live together but we're supposed to be a partnership". She agreed but that it takes getting used to.

This morning I get a text to say she has just resigned from her job. She's "totally done, will tell you all about it tonight, I am so fucking angry right now". I replied that I support her 100% although I don't know what the latest problem at work is yet because I love her and will always have her back.

Yet I am know feeling a bit confused and upset that despite what was said on Friday and Sunday that we're not a partnership at all. It's all on her terms. I love her to pieces, I've never felt so happy in a relationship and I could see us being together forever (we're middle aged). But this is now niggling me and I feel guilty for being conflicted that she's done something I wanted to do and talked to her about and reached an agreement and then gone and done it herself. Am I a total shit?

OP posts:
RaisedByPangolins · 15/12/2021 15:05

No you’re not a shit. It seems there’s one rule for her and another for you. You’re not allowed to jack in your job, which has made you stressed and miserable, but she can as a kneejerk reaction to dealing with arseholes. Hope she’s not going to now expect you to subsidise her big mortgage while she looks for another job.

ShatnersWig · 15/12/2021 15:09

Raised she knows I couldn't afford to do that although had I jacked mine in and moved in with her, I could a) have used my savings to do my share of mortgage and bills and b) sold my flat to also ensure I wasn't sponging off and of course would have taken whatever job I could get once she'd recovered from her operation in January to supplement this while trying to find a longer-term role (I have a three-month notice period as it is, hers is 4 weeks).

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Badbaddog · 15/12/2021 15:09

No you are not, and you have to be very very careful here OP. She doesn’t sound trustworthy.

ComtesseDeSpair · 15/12/2021 15:14

I think you’re treating this relationship as much more of a partnership than it actually is. Partnership implies that you share a life - bit you don’t. You live separately, each own your own home and pay your own bills. It really isn’t anything to do with the other if one of you jacks in their job, and I’m a bit confused as to why you appear to be asking her permission to leave your job, or expecting her to feel the need to check with you if she wants to do the same.

If jobs are hard to find in your sector then it makes sense to prioritise finding a new one in her area and then thinking about moving closer - which could also involve you buying another property there, rather than necessarily moving in together.

scoobydoo1971 · 15/12/2021 15:15

Please, please don't move. You will lose your job, your social network and everything you know. Loving someone doesn't mean taking their behaviour and actions on the chin unconditionally, no matter what. How would anyone learn by their mistakes if they have a would-be therapist partner who accepts all the chaos without reproach and keeps agreeing to what they want? It sounds like your financial situation is responsible, and hers is not...at any level. It is recipe for disaster. I am in a long term relationship. I am very financially and emotionally independent. I like my own life away from him and space to do work and hobbies. We meet for weekends of fun. He hints about moving across the country to play happy families. Not a chance in hell. His ex-wife rinsed him of his assets and savings. I love this man, but prefer the dating lifestyle to the moved in lifestyle where I will inevitably have to carry him a bit. Lots of people live together out of financial necessity and not for romantic objectives. You are able to look after yourself and your partner shows no planning, or ability to adapt to your needs. Be careful or else you will end up with someone who is a drain on your finances.

ShatnersWig · 15/12/2021 15:18

Bad she's totally lovely, everyone thinks so, and I can honestly say she is the nicest, kindest person I've ever known and shows it so much. I have no doubt she loves and cares about me. Her previous ex (from some years ago) was a narcissist who made her doubt herself and was a total shit and I think this may have a bearing on how independent she is. She's had to do everything regard her dad single-handedly too. A really thoughtful and caring person and I feel so lucky to be with her which is why I want us to be together sooner rather than later. I am sure she was pushed to the edge as I've heard so much about her arsehole boss over the months and expressed my concern about how demanding and unreasonable he can be and how he gets away with so much because he's so senior). Which is why I do support her but just have this slightly pissed off feeling this afternoon as it niggles away in my head.

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ravenmum · 15/12/2021 15:19

So was the idea that you would leave your job and move in with her, then look for another job from there? And her telling you not to leave your job was possibly her not wanting you to move in with her just yet?

It does sound like she's expecting you to be all understanding about her quitting, but she's not very understanding about your issues. That's not great.

I agree with Comtesse that although you might feel very committed, it's not a huge red flag if she doesn't yet. When you're weekends only, it takes longer to reach that stage, and with you both being older, there's no rush, which can be very positive.

ShatnersWig · 15/12/2021 15:21

Comtesse She always refers to us as partners and we video call every night and she discusses everything with me and I with her. We would have moved in together before now if we lived within 30 miles of each either (ie, commutable work distance).

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ShatnersWig · 15/12/2021 15:23

Raven She was the first to raise us moving in together and when we've been able to spend whole weeks together (longer last Christmas) she's been very tearful about my going and says she hates our not being together properly. Her friends have said to me she repeatedly talks about spending the rest of our lives together and hating our living apart.

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ShatnersWig · 15/12/2021 15:27

Raven Actually, I said I would look for another job round here and stay locally while continuing the search for something nearer her (been looking and applying for almost 8 months now) and she herself raised the notion that perhaps just biting the bullet and moving in was an option

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HollowTalk · 15/12/2021 15:27

It's one rule for you and another for her. She wants you to make the move there and won't contemplate moving to you.

This woman is only nice when it's all on her terms. Please don't give up your home and your friends to live with her.

HellonHeels · 15/12/2021 15:29

@ShatnersWig

Comtesse She always refers to us as partners and we video call every night and she discusses everything with me and I with her. We would have moved in together before now if we lived within 30 miles of each either (ie, commutable work distance).
But she clearly doesnt discuss everything with you - she made the decision to quit her job with no discussion at all and without consulting you.

It doesnt sound to me like you're in a partnership. Be very careful about uprooting yourself to move in with her.

Bonheurdupasse · 15/12/2021 15:34

Do not sell your property!
Do not lend / subsidise her from your savings!
Be very careful.

ItsDinah · 15/12/2021 15:46

The more you say about her, the more she sounds like an immature and unstable teenager.

ravenmum · 15/12/2021 15:47

She might love the idea of spending more time with you, and want to live with you in future, while still also being a bit scared of you suddenly being able to move in with her tomorrow, effectively. - Or what did she mean by "let's do this properly on our terms rather than a knee jerk reaction"?

ravenmum · 15/12/2021 15:53

Seems fair enough to me for her not to want to move away from her elderly dad. But how about you; wouldn't it be hard for you to move, too?

Why do you feel guilty for being annoyed when she's breaking the rule she set for you (which it isn't actually her place to do anyway)?

MumDad1958 · 15/12/2021 16:00

Did you know/meet her ex? I would be very careful incase it's your partner who is the narcissist & could be lying to you. You also sound like you have doubts that are niggling you - that would be a red flag to me. Please put yourself first.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 15/12/2021 16:02

OK. So she has unilaterally changed your relationship plans, something you have been careful not to do.

Whatever she says when you talk later you have to keep half a mind on what you need to do that is best for you, the individual you. Do not try and offer her a solution. She is an adult, that is for her to do for herslef, especiallygiven the additional reaponsibilities she has.

@ravenmumRaven at least read all OP has written. She has explained about her moving and how this news has changed everything!

HarrisonStickle · 15/12/2021 16:04

OP, your original post soubded alarm bells and they haven't stopped.

Please whatever you do don't give up your career and close relationships and move.

She wants everything on her terms. 'Everyone' may say she's lovely but please, threads on here are full of partners being described as lovely but in reality they have got others wrapped round their little fingers and lovely only stretches as far as the other people going along with their wants.

Thankfully, her leaving her job has happened and made you start to question your respective realities. Thank goodness for that!

You've only been together 18 months. You only see each other at weekends. Put together, this means you have no idea what she is really like as either a person or a partner.

You started talking about moving in together after less than a year of this long distance relationship. She won't move so you have to despite there being few jobs in your profession where she is. This is madness, OP.

You have equity and savings, she doesn't. 😬

she knows I couldn't afford to do that although had I jacked mine in and moved in with her, I could a) have used my savings to do my share of mortgage and bills and b) sold my flat to also ensure I wasn't sponging off and of course would have taken whatever job I could get once she'd recovered from her operation in January to supplement this while trying to find a longer-term role (I have a three-month notice period as it is, hers is 4 weeks).

This is crazy, OP!!! Please take off your rose tinted spectacles and take a step back. You're middle aged and want to use your savings and money from your flat to be with her, AND give up your career. Please stop and think about this sensibly.

Her previous ex (from some years ago) was a narcissist who made her doubt herself and was a total shit and I think this may have a bearing on how independent she is

How do you know this? Did she tell you?

but just have this slightly pissed off feeling this afternoon as it niggles away in my head.

This is sense kicking in!

Her friends have said to me she repeatedly talks about spending the rest of our lives together

This feels completely over the top.

From what you've written, I don't like this woman. She seems manipulative and wants you to make all the sacrifices in the relationship.

There's nothing inherently wrong in a couple deciding to move in together in this way, but there are major concerns here. Everything is her having what she wants and you giving up your life for her.

Please continue to have niggles and be pissed off. Start saying no to her and see how lovely she is then.

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HarrisonStickle · 15/12/2021 16:09

@HollowTalk

It's one rule for you and another for her. She wants you to make the move there and won't contemplate moving to you.

This woman is only nice when it's all on her terms. Please don't give up your home and your friends to live with her.

I wonder how many other ex partners there are who have been besotted with her, and have ultimately had their lives left in tatters after giving up everything for someone who is concerned only about themselves.

I think we may have an idea who the narcissist is here.

ravenmum · 15/12/2021 16:10

@ravenmumRaven at least read all OP has written. She has explained about her moving and how this news has changed everything!
OP is a man (he has been on here quite a while). What did I miss in the original post? I don't understand your comment.

IknowwhatIneed · 15/12/2021 16:10

Bad she's totally lovely, everyone thinks so, and I can honestly say she is the nicest, kindest person I've ever known and shows it so much.

She may be all of those things and more but your description suggests that it’s all on her terms, you have to move, stay in your awful job, lose your support network, despite yhe quality of life being better where you are and her job being more portable.

You’re financially stable and could afford to give up your job, she is mortgaged to the hilt with no savings and has now quit her job. Honestly I’d let things settle for a while, see how she copes financially and how she moves herself back into the job market etc. By all means find a new job where you are but I’d hold off on moving together until you see how she moves forward. Best case she finds a new job and is able to stabilise herself and then you move, worst case you find yourself supporting her and compromising your own health, well-being and finances in the process. You need to engage your head and your heart on this one, possibly your head more than your heart.

Bushkin · 15/12/2021 16:11

Depends… does she have enough savings to cover a period of unemployment whereas you don’t?

HarrisonStickle · 15/12/2021 16:13

BTW OP, I learnt the hard way that how much a person loves and cherishes you is measured in what the do for you, the sacrifices they make, how much they are willing to compromise and go out of their way for you. Not by what they say, how much they tell you they love you, or how amazing they appear.

Strip away all her words, what actions are left?

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 15/12/2021 16:16

[quote ravenmum]**@ravenmumRaven at least read all OP has written. She has explained about her moving and how this news has changed everything!
OP is a man (he has been on here quite a while). What did I miss in the original post? I don't understand your comment.[/quote]
Did I type 'She'? Sorry, my mistake. I am fully aware of that, having read quite a bit of @ShatnersWig previously, Again, apologies.

But if you click on the See All you will see verything he posted. Which will inlcude more infomration and at least 3 answers specifically to your previous questions.

Threads do move on. Not everything is contained within the OP!