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I feel like I'm losing my mind

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sleighbellsjiggling · 01/12/2021 14:16

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I'm feeling like I'm just existing at the minute. Mostly I think due to my relationship which I can't work out is on the rocks due to me or not.

My OH and I haven't been getting on for a while. Every now and again things are good and I'll feel like we're where we should be but then it quickly goes downhill again. There's quite a lot to it so sorry if it's a long read.

He has a very quick temper and if he thinks I'm ignoring him, disagree with him or make any sort of criticism again him he will go mad at me. He's never been physically abusive but quite threatening in tone and volume. And when it's really bad is just threatening in general, comment such as "you wait and see what will happen now" for example.

All the blame tends to be on me. Even though we've both said what we need to change to get along better, it's always me that seems to be the one that hasn't held up my part of the bargain - the trouble is he can't really articulate what I'm not doing so I feel pretty clueless. I've tried to initiate more in bed and be more cheerful which he'd said would help but felt rubbish over the weekend so was pretty quiet - he took this to mean that I was in a mood even though I said I wasn't and (tried to) explain. This led to a row because I took something out of the dishwasher that didn't fit. He threw the dinner away so I had toast. The kids wouldn't eat what he'd made so that went terribly also.

Rages aren't just directed at me. He yelled at someone in a car park because they made a rude gesture at him. Literally he opened the window and yelled at them. Who does that?! He also talks to people he works with like crap.

He has health issues which I know are debilitating to him and frustrate him. I've done 99% of the childcare and house stuff as a result which has probably made me a control freak and I find it hard to let go. Equally though I'd love for him to get up early in the morning and deal with the kids or just make me a cup of tea from time to time. I get 3 of us ready, 2 kids for preschool and me for work every morning while he sleeps then just gets himself dressed and out the door.

He asks why I don't wake him up when the kids get up. Reason one is that he's a heavy sleeper and wakes up like a bear with a sore head. Reason two is that I'm already bloody up so what's the point? We haven't slept in the same bed for a long time.

I'd asked him to take on more responsibility for the house. He will do the odd bit of cooking and tidy the kitchen but not all that often and seems to want a medal for doing it. I get this thrown back in the face for not appreciating it enough. He will put our youngest to bed which is helpful.

I feel like I've checked out already. I hate the thought of him going but equally I know I can cope alone well. We just don't seem to be able to communicate effectively. I told him that I feel like I'm walking on eggshells which turned out to be my fault because he doesn't mean for me to feel like that. It's become a bit of a joke for him now "watch out for those eggshells" etc

I don't know what I want out of this post really, maybe to read back and picture it as someone else to give me a kick up the arse or to see if there is any way back from here. I'm feeling like that's less and less likely the longer this goes on.

OP posts:
Jellycatspyjamas · 01/12/2021 14:36

You know his behaviour is abusive? What does “see what happens now” mean? Where does he escalate things to? It’s not ok to have you walking on eggshells, to throw your dinner away etc - designed to keep you in your place and avoid challenge.

What does he bring to your life that is joyful, nourishing, caring of you? Can you value yourself enough to not live with his treatment of you?

MuchTooTired · 01/12/2021 14:47

I’m guessing it’s a cycle of abuse, shit for a spell then magically becomes wonderful and ‘normal’ and you’re both wracking your brain trying to figure out wtf caused it to become bad in the first place, and questioning whether you imagined it all at the same time, because things are great right now so it’s just a bad patch? It’ll be good for a while, then magically descend into utter shit again for no reason.

My personal advice if you can afford to, is to leave.

sleighbellsjiggling · 01/12/2021 14:50

He never escalates further but the threat I suppose is to keep me in line, he's threatened to leave with the kids or to get me to go and stay with my mum. I'd not leave the kids with him, he knows nothing about their day to day lives although I do try to involve him, it would be chaos.

I just feel like I'm doing something wrong and should try harder but equally I think we're massively incompatible. I don't like arguments and enjoy time on my own, he's the opposite.

I'm scared to put the kids through it I suppose.

For every bit of sense in my head that says to just get out of this, there's a bit that says to keep trying and that's what stops me. I don't know how to shut that bit up.

I also know whatever happens that I'll be the bad guy.

OP posts:
Alltheblue · 01/12/2021 14:51

This is awful. Really awful.

TheFoundations · 01/12/2021 14:56

For every bit of sense in my head that says to just get out of this, there's a bit that says to keep trying and that's what stops me. I don't know how to shut that bit up

What example were you set when you were growing up of what an adult relationship looks like? Did your parents keep trying, and refuse to give up, despite being unhappy? Or did they listen to each other's feelings, and try to be understanding, loving, accommodating, supportive? Did they offer those things to you too? Were your feelings respected?

Because something in you now is telling you that despite the fact you're in an abusive relationship, and feeling the consequences of that, something is more important than you taking care of yourself. You've learnt that, somewhere. Nobody is born with that mindset.

TheFoundations · 01/12/2021 15:00

I also know whatever happens that I'll be the bad guy

Which gives you freedom, really, doesn't it. There's nothing that can make you into 'the good guy', so, do whatever you want.

How you view yourself is important. His opinion of you is just that: an opinion. If he tells you that his opinion is that one of the blueberries in the fridge is an incarnation of the devil, will you believe that, too? No, because it's clearly barmy.

The opinion that you are 'the bad guy' is equally barmy. so why entertain it as a potential reality?

To work out where the toxin is in your life, work out who makes you feel you're losing your mind. Is there anybody else but him?

thefourgp · 01/12/2021 15:05

It may not be today but the day will call me where you say ‘enough’ and end the relationship. That flicker of hope will die. You know that day’s coming so start making plans, sorting paperwork etc so you’re prepared.

The bit you said about ‘walking on eggshells’ becoming a joke between you struck a chord with me. My ex and I would joke about a blues brothers scene when John is making the most ridiculous excuses for treating his fiancé badly. We’d joke that my ex was the same with his ridiculous excuses, everything and anything, to get out of caring for the kids/doing housework/acting like a functioning responsible adult. You have to laugh or you’ll cry.

cheeseismydownfall · 01/12/2021 16:21

He threw the dinner away so I had toast. The kids wouldn't eat what he'd made so that went terribly also.

This is hugely damaging environment for your children, OP. You may be desensitised to it but witnessing outbursts such as this will cause them long term damage. I speak from experience.

It doesn't sound like any of this is your fault but you have to step up for your kids and get him out.

TheFoundations · 01/12/2021 17:59

It doesn't sound like any of this is your fault but you have to step up for your kids and get him out

I found that it was useful to separate fault from responsibility. The abuser is at fault, but, given that it's pointless to try to get an abuser to change, the responsibility for getting away from the abuse is the victim's.

Fault looks backwards. Responsibility takes charge, and looks forwards.

Colourmeclear · 01/12/2021 18:16

It's so much easier to be alone. It doesn't matter what you do, it will never be enough. He's not wanting anything to change. It's the dynamic that he wants to keep.

You deserve much better than this.

Divebar2021 · 01/12/2021 18:26

I'm scared to put the kids through it I suppose

Oh but you are putting the kids through it. Sorry but the pair of you are.

sleighbellsjiggling · 01/12/2021 23:13

Thank you all so much for your replies, it's made me realise that it's not just me being dramatic. We're talking as much as we can do with him being ill tonight and trying to understand each other's point. It's going around in circles a fair amount. And mostly the blame is on me as expected. Maybe it is all my fault.

My parents divorced when I was young but had a good relationship after that. Me and my stepdad were often at loggerheads and there were a lot of rows. I think I avoid conflict for this reason but rather than taking myself fully away from it I sweep it away until next time.

I know it's not good for the kids. When we're good and have nice days out it's great for us all but they do cling to me a lot because he's not ever really around them one on one.

I feel so pathetic. Looking outside of myself makes me realise that I need to be away from all this but inside I'm panicking.

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BeaMends · 01/12/2021 23:19

@sleighbellsjiggling

He never escalates further but the threat I suppose is to keep me in line, he's threatened to leave with the kids or to get me to go and stay with my mum. I'd not leave the kids with him, he knows nothing about their day to day lives although I do try to involve him, it would be chaos.

I just feel like I'm doing something wrong and should try harder but equally I think we're massively incompatible. I don't like arguments and enjoy time on my own, he's the opposite.

I'm scared to put the kids through it I suppose.

For every bit of sense in my head that says to just get out of this, there's a bit that says to keep trying and that's what stops me. I don't know how to shut that bit up.

I also know whatever happens that I'll be the bad guy.

I'm scared to put the kids through it I suppose

They are being put through it already, because they are living in a home where their father abuses and threatens their mother.

You won't be the bad guy. He is. Oh he'll probably tell you that it's all your fault, but then he would say that, wouldn't he?

thefourgp · 01/12/2021 23:31

It’s not all your fault. You won’t be able to convince him otherwise because he’d have to take responsibility and change his behaviour which he doesn’t want to do because the threats keep you in your place. You’re not pathetic. You’re trying to make the best of a bad situation.

TheFoundations · 02/12/2021 07:28

Me and my stepdad were often at loggerheads and there were a lot of rows. I think I avoid conflict for this reason but rather than taking myself fully away from it I sweep it away until next time

This is it, @sleighbellsjiggling. All your power to change your situation and your future outlook is in this recognition. You've been conditioned as a child to feel things, negative things, and then minimise them. 'My feelings aren't the important thing. here', 'I'd better not express how I feel, because it'll cause more trouble than if I just surpress everything'

This was your education in your formative years: 'My feelings are not important'. That's what's leading to all your 'I'm just being dramatic', 'I feel so pathetic' feelings now. After all, anybody who makes a fuss about something so unimportant as their feelings is just being a bit silly, right?

When we turn into adults, we parent ourselves, instead of needing other adults to do it for us, and we follow the example we've been set. You don't have to keep following it, OP. You can stop. You can change it.

When I realised how to do this, it was a realisation that my feelings do actually exist, they do actually need to be taken care of, and it was my responsibility to perform that role. To start with, it was like looking after a child; my inner feelings would strop around, and stomp their feet and say things like 'I don't WANT to go to the party!!'. I used to minimise that, and just go, because I 'should', according to some set of rules that I realised, eventually, didn't actually exist. These days I hear the tantrum voice, listen to the message, and act accordingly. You have to take the 'tantrum' out of it to present it to the outside world, but the end result is the same: respecting your feelings. 'I can't make it to the party this evening, but thanks so much for inviting me. I hope you all have a lovely time! Are you free for coffee next week?'

No apologising. Just respecting your feelings, and presenting them calmly and politely. And the only lesson in boundaries is that if somebody tries to prevent you from doing this, or makes you feel bad for it, you distance yourself from them.

So much of it is about recognising who is pushing your boundaries, and staying away from them, in order to have a life of un-pushed boundaries, and healthy relationships. In order to respect your kids and yourself, you need to leave your partner.

I was the child of a relationship like yours, and I had counselling in my 40s after a string of short term, unhealthy relationships. It took so many years of feeling crap/low self esteem/crossed boundaries, and a year of expensive sessions, to train me, in my middle age, out of what my parents taught me. You are there now. Your children will be there in later life, unless you choose to break the cycle, and demonstrate to them that walking away from unhappiness is the path to happiness, rather than trying to stick around in hell, make tweaks, and be happy there.

sleighbellsjiggling · 02/12/2021 08:27

He's going. He told me that I've turned all of this back around on him. I had to agree because what's the point of arguing? I'd said that I couldn't stay in the relationship if he was going to continue to yell at me, he took that to mean I was ending it. I've taken it to mean that he won't stop shouting.

I have no idea where he's going, he's from a different city so presumably there which is going to make it hard to see the kids.

I feel so sad even though I know it's the right thing. The kids were getting close to him again and I'd really hoped that after the last good patch we were in a better place. My DD is just at the age where she's questioning everything and understanding family dynamics so it'll be hard to explain to her.

Thank you all for your support. I don't want to tell anyone IRL yet so it means a lot

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Peanut82 · 02/12/2021 08:38

You're well shot of him

layladomino · 02/12/2021 08:47

I'm pleased for you that he is going Op. I'm really sorry too, as I know this is really hard, but it is absolutely the right outcome.

You said the children cling to you because they aren't used to him? I strongly suspect that isn't the only reason, but that they are also frightened of his moods.

Your children are suffering his moods, the tension in the house, and they are seeing a dysfunctional relationship playing out, which they might emulate in their adult lives. It will be much a much healthier environment for them to be not living with that.

You are not at fault in this. He has conditioned you to question yourself and somehow feel at fault for his bad temper, his shouting, his aggression, his entitlement, his lack of respect for you.

This is all on him. Don't let him convince you otherwise. Please don't take him back. He's likely to beg or try to worm his way back in at some point. But he won't get better. He will likely get worse.

Your life, and your DC's will be so much calmer and happier if you split.

Donebeingitchy · 02/12/2021 09:00

Now for the hard part op. Remaining strong and holding your ground. He may try to come back and repepat this toxic cycle, you need to be able to stick to yours guns not just for you but for your children. They deserve a happy healthy enviroment free of conflict and tension just as much as they deserve STABILITY. Especially as you said your dd is of an age where she will have an understanding towards all of this. It is so important to be a good role model towards her and show to her healthy boundaries

nocnoc · 02/12/2021 11:24

Stay firm. These temper tantrums and refusal to communicate in a reasonable way cannot carry on. It’s ruining your life. Let him go and see if your life improves once he’s gone. I sometimes wonder why anyone puts up with men. They all seem to be weird/broken.

sleighbellsjiggling · 02/12/2021 11:30

He's already rang to ask if we can have a chat later as he thinks I've misunderstood some things. I'm pretty sure I didn't misunderstand being yelled at for minor reasons over the last few years or him threatening to leave each time - which apparently he just says for a reaction. WTF.

Of course he doesn't want it to end, his life here is easy and other than work, there aren't any real responsibilities for him. Leaving would mean he has to do everything himself. I worry that he'll not cope but he's an adult and needs to step up somehow. He's ill most of the time which will be hard. It's why most of my social life has gone down the pan, I can't leave the kids with him for any length of time before he can't watch them any more. I feel sorry for him as he seems to have been left behind by the hospital he was under so isn't getting med reviews etc but I can't do any more for him than I've done.

I do love him but going on like this is making me so anxious. I don't feel like me at all.

OP posts:
nocnoc · 02/12/2021 12:59

What do you actually love about him. It sounds miserable and hard work. Imagine a calm peaceful life not being yelled at. That could soon be yours.

2catsandhappy · 02/12/2021 19:22

I think you are not married. No vows made.
He has threatened you before with leaving. Bastard. Utter, utter knob.
He can sort out his hospital stuff. He is an adult and can manage his own life.

You can still love him as the father to your dc.

He has phoned because he is panicking about having to give up the easy life you made for him.
Only talk about dc, division of finances and maintenance.
You are already a single parent. Now, finaly, you can live your own life too.
If you feel a wobble overwhelming you, please come back and talk to us.
If he promises change, things will be different, it will be nice blah blah blah, just remember, the changes could have happened before. He could have been nice before, but he CHOSE not to be.
I hope you have a cracking Christmas and a fantastic new year, new you. xx

VioletVesper · 02/12/2021 22:09

Stay strong OP. I really think he flounced off in an effort to punish you and make you scared to bring matters up in future. It didn’t have the desired effect as you didn’t chase him so now he’s calling to smooth things over and return to the set up where you pretty much do everything for him. It’s no way to live and you sound so drained. I hope you can stay strong as from what you’ve described I suspect your house would be a much happier home without him in it. Good luck OP.

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