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Is this a toxic friendship?

22 replies

IneedaGnT · 28/11/2021 02:15

Help!
I'm a social person in many ways but feel like I only have a few close friends that I share and feel supported by, maybe less than a handful, but it feels like I'm always the one who will bend over backwards to give support.

Anyway, there is one friend 'G,' that I am always their go to person whenever they have any kind of crisis. For example, their last relationship they seemed to cut me and all other friends out as soon as it started.....then 2 years later when it ended drastically after most of us had seen or heard very little from them, I was the first person they contacted for support. I felt like I was on call, constantly, often there for hours while they cried and sought advice, this went on for months as it clearly hit them hard.

I don't have a huge amount of friends but the ones I do have I often think of as having some importance in my life, which is very demanding with work and family, specifically as I focus more time on my children and my eldest who needs my time and support due to his ASD.

So to cut a long story, this friend 'G' , who I thought of as a friend, would contact me to see me or ask for advice or support...but when I would contact them to meet they would already have plans or would get back to say they were meeting friends (that were mutual friends, but I would not be invited).

At one point I was invited to an afternoon meet up with friends and this particular friend 'G' was there also (they didn't invite me or even mention it) we both left together and decided to get some takeaway food as they lived in the same area as the friend we met that afternoon....and then as we left the takeaway she said that I would need to get a taxi home as I wouldn't be able to eat my food in her house as her lodger and lodgers boyfriend might not want anyone else in the house due to covid. (I had been in the house week before and the lodger/bf etc did not have an issue).

It felt really humiliating as it was almost like an unexpected thing that after getting the takeaway food near her house we would then walk the 5 minutes to her house to eat it (I lived 3 miles away and we had walked around awhile to get a shawarma place that was open)

So, I let it slide thinking I was being too sensitive, there were other points where I was not invited out but later found out that my friend had been out but never bothered to include me.

This all become more of an issue for me when I split up with my partner of 25 years and I had to leave our shared home for my own wellbeing. Most people at work and people in general assumed that I would be staying at 'G's' house, my kids even asked if I was staying with 'G' work colleagues and even my inlaws asked if i was at 'G''s place. However, as soon as I contacted G to let them know that I was in a bad place, that my relationship had ended, they just went silent. I didn't hear a peep from them for three weeks, yes, 3 weeks!

I felt like my friend that I had supported, that some people had warned me about as being self absorbed, had completely deserted me. I felt completely alone and did not feel like I had other friends that I could rely on for support, so booked myself into a hotel.

Eventually 'G' responded (3 weeks later) to my messages and said that they had been really busy and said that they hoped I was ok....no offer of support or anything relating to staying at their place even for a night, was forthcoming (they had a spare bedroom.....they have a 3 bedroom house and one lodger, no children).

Then in June, a mutual friend of ours was having their PhD exhibition up in Orkney. 'G' contacted me and asked me if I would be interested in going up there so I said yes, as it would be a good opportunity to meet our mutual friend and spend time together.

We went up via train and camped around Orkney for a week, we both filmed and photographed some stuff as we are both artists. While up there we talked about ideas and discussed themes and concepts for making some artwork which G wrote down and asked me at length about... that we would then exhibit in Orkney before taking to other venues....with out intention being to go back in March when we had time, to film the material and then make the work together for the planned project.

So...to go forward, I speak with 'G; fairly often, usually at least twice a week either in person or via whatsapp etc.

Last month, during a chat 'G' tells me that they went up to Orkney a month previous, and had gone back to some places we visited and filmed more material, they had visited some people and recorded interviews and filmed more material. They had not mentioned to me that they would be going back to Orkney (we live in Manchester so it's not around the corner). I had seen G in person a number of times and spoken with them a lot since their Orkney visit yet they had never even mentioned their plans to me or even after their visit, it all seemed very random and very sneaky. They then said to me that if I wanted to go back at Easter (as we had planned) they would help me with 'my project'

I feel completely upset by this, a friend who has stabbed me in the back for their own gain, someone who never bothered to support me when I was in crisis, someone who never invited me to anything.....yet would always contact me asking for support, advice and so forth,

I feel like I've been completely taken advantage of here, exploited for various reasons and so on. i'm so angry at myself for not listening to the advice from other people!

What do I do? Do I confront G, cut them off?

As I think about this, the more and more it becomes obvious that it was always a one sided friendship, that G often took my ideas and profited from them, never invited me to anything and always played me.....I later found out that confidential information I shared with them was discussed openly with other people and I became an object of gossip.

I feel so broken by this but also so stupid for being so naive!!

OP posts:
LoverOfAllThingsPurple · 28/11/2021 02:25

I would make them dispose of the ideas and information you discussed and cut them off. They are using you.

blackcoffeeplant · 28/11/2021 02:43

I would cut them off. I don't think chatting it through would do any good at all. They will be well aware of what they're doing and how one sided the relationship is. Snip snip snip.

Rowan8 · 28/11/2021 02:57

I felt so heartbroken for you reading your post. Your “friend” G is a FN parasite. She completely toxic and as others have said just uses you for her own gain, whether to steal your ideas or offload on you as she sees fit. It’s ok to go no contact.
You’ve earned the right to decide if someone in your life brings you enrichment or not. As we age, I’d like to think we can filter the mud out for the gold.

I know you’ve invested years by the sound of it with this person. You may share same interests, photography, but this persons only other interests are her self.

Your your own safety I would just cut them out of your life for good.. you’ll breathe and sleep better for it. I promise it will be like a weight has lifted and you can just focus on you. And don’t let this toxic person infringe on you again.

Blessings, you sound like a lovely amazing person, please don’t let narcissists exploit you xxx ❤️

Elbie79 · 28/11/2021 04:41

It sounds like you've been a lovely friend to G and they are not worthy of that friendship. You seem very kind and have broad interests, you will absolutely be able to broaden your circle of friends if you put your mind to it. Cut G out right now. Literally block them from all contact and start the mental work of cutting ties. It's very sad after so many years of closeness, but friendship is a privilege not a right.

Optimistic123 · 28/11/2021 04:48

OMG, that's awful!!

It sounds like you are a really wonderful patient human being, so please, please, please look after yourself!!

Unfortunately there are some people that will use your care and patience for their own ends, this person is that kind of person, a user and abuser, through and through.

Narcissistic abusers like this often portray themselves as victims and then seek support by labelling their ex-partners as being the abusers, knowing very well that their own act of removing friends from connection with their relationships means that it is very easy to create a one sided narrative.

This abuser seems to know exactly what they are doing, friends are just foils to them but easily manipulated ones at that.

So, please, for your own wellbeing, cut this person off, they will do nothing but continue to exploit your empathy and steal your creativity for their own ends. They are toxic in the most harmful of ways!

I would think that this parasite considers everything that they do, all friendships that they cultivate and all energy that they spend as being completely focused at their own profit and gain.

Keeping secret their return trip to Orkney and not even discussing or mentioning this in advance is a very very clear indication of their own self interest. They must have only mentioned this to you as they have something planned so this would soften the blow or be an attempt to pretend something was out of their control.

An absolutely disgusting excuse of a human being, never mind friend, please cut them off and distance yourself as much as possible before they continue to abuse you. XX

Jabvribt · 28/11/2021 06:54

I would cut her off immediately; she isn’t a friend at all. If you confront her then you’ll probably get a poor me story or defensiveness; she’s unlikely to take any responsibility and it’ll end up as gossip

TheFoundations · 28/11/2021 08:03

Your naivety isn't anything you've done within the friendship. You can get out of this situation and avoid any similar ones in the future by recognising this: If you're asking if a relationship is toxic, you need to distance yourself from it. It really is that simple. None of the details matter. Who is wrong or right doesn't matter. Being 'too sensitive' doesn't matter. Just back away from anything you feel might be toxic.

Jellycatspyjamas · 28/11/2021 08:09

Sharing and gossiping about confidential information alone would be the end of the friendship for me. You’re much better off without them in your life - make space for friends who will enrich your life and let her go.

UnsuitableHat · 28/11/2021 08:19

Came on to say the same as @Jellycatspyjamas. Turning your confidential stuff into gossip would do it for me. G sounds utterly self-absorbed and worth pulling back from.

wobblywinelover · 28/11/2021 08:49

This definitely sounds like an unbalanced friendship and G sounds sneaky with an agenda. I couldn't continue to be friends with someone like this. Sometimes cutting people off is the only way. There can be no reasoning with some people and G sounds like she would turn on you if you even tried to discuss it.

SunflowerTed · 28/11/2021 08:57

Cut her off. Take control

Nanny0gg · 28/11/2021 13:35

No point in confrontation as they know exactly what they're doing.

Cut them off and stay cut off.

Monalotmoore · 28/11/2021 13:48

Definitely cut them off. This is level beyond self absorbed. You are being used appallingly. Just cut them off and avoid any further involvement. This person clearly doesn't have a scrap of respect for you. You'll probably find the people who warned you before have had similar experiences with them.

northernlight20 · 28/11/2021 14:02

I agree with everyone else, shes no friend. Im sorry you are going through this. I have been through it myself and it hurts, cut her off and look after yourself, hugs.

Oftenithinkaboutit · 28/11/2021 14:05

Who did she go up to O with?

billy1966 · 28/11/2021 17:24

OP,

G is awful.

She has been years and years treating you badly, disrespecting you, using you.

You chose to plough on with the friendship.

She showed you many, many times that she was an awful friend, yet you chose to accept it.

You deserve so much better.

Don't waste any more time being the mug she thinks you are.

Move on and please learn from this experience so that you protect yourself better.

Reflect on why, when you were warned by others you chose to ignore the warnings.

Reflect on why you kept accepting her awful treatment of you.

She is really not worth getting upset over.
She is a horrible person.

Move on, mind yourself, and look after yourself better.

Focus on the relationships that treat you kindly.

Wishing you the very best.
Flowers

Theturnofthepoo · 28/11/2021 18:37

Yeah op this person is a user. I have a ‘friend’ like this. Always some crisis, no usually 3 a day, endless messages, I was there for her through all sorts, consoling over the phone late at night as I considered this person a good friend then as soon as I have anything troubling going on she completely disappears and is unavailable. As I have distanced myself I’ve realised she’s actually really rude to me on and off passive aggressive. I have just slowly stopped replying to her doom filled messages. Anyway sorry I’m hijacking a bit, but yeah I think you should pull back, I know it’s sad if you’ve known each a long time but this isn’t fair on you.

Alltheblue · 28/11/2021 18:46

You aren't wrong to go around expecting others to be normal and kind.

Never see this person again. I wouldn't tell her why as it would become ammunition.

DinaofCloud9 · 28/11/2021 18:51

Yep G is a total user. Don't bother with them any more.

KnackeredElf · 28/11/2021 19:08

Try to think about what you want out of this relationship. If you confront her, I imagine she's the type that will play the victim to mutual friends. She certainly won't admit any wrongdoing.

If you do nothing and continue as you are, more incidents like this will come up - by all means, do nothing if the benefits of the friendship outweigh the flaws.

Really, you can either go no contact (just say you're busy next time she contacts you) or try to modify the relationship so its more on your terms. Never do another favour for her again. Keep it very casual. You have mutual friends so it might be worth keeping it civil so you can still see others in your social circle without awkwardness. But certainly don't help with any projects. Be more assertive. I imagine this might help her disappear from your life anyway as no one likes a fool getting wise.

Good luck.

MilkTooth · 28/11/2021 19:32

@IneedaGnT, I think you need to take some responsibility for this dynamic yourself. You chose to be the shoulder to cry on, you chose to keep giving time and headspace to this person, despite a clear pattern of no reciprocation — you actively colluded in pigeonholing yourself as the go to person for problems and crises, who becomes an invisible service provider and never even registers as someone the user of your services might think about inviting to fun stuff.

That doesn’t excuse your ‘friend’s’ actions in the least, but I think you need to look at your own boundaries, and why, for instance, you chose to be their shoulder to cry on for months after two years of good times when they never contacted you, why you jumped at their rare invitations or willingly collaborated on a joint project with someone with a history of exploiting you.

I mean, you can — and clearly should— distance yourself from G, but it concerns me more that you say that when you split with your partner, none of your other friends was available to help or support you either. Do you have similar, though less obviously exploitative, dynamics in your other friendships too?

Sloth66 · 29/11/2021 14:26

What Milk said, this woman was a user, but perhaps you need to look at what you’ve written here.
You write that you were basically on call for this woman, listening endlessly to her problems despite a busy home life and no reciprocity at all from her.
People like her latch on to people they know they can use. You deserve better. Maybe look at boundaries. You don’t want to end up being an unpaid counsellor and exploited.

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