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Am I wrong

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witchywoo · 22/11/2021 11:04

Ok, so firstly I’m aware what I’m about to write is my viewpoint but could really do with some advice because I’ve been going over this so much in my head I feel my head is about to explode. U may also want to sit down and grab a cuppa.

I am no way perfect- I am a thinker and have anxiety but I’m also loyal and would do anything for anyone. My husband is a nice guy that everyone likes. He’s the type of person that nobody could ever imagine doing anything to hurt anyone else. He’s also boring- he doesn’t have friends and doesn’t socialise. Me, my girls and his job are his life. I was the opposite- sociable, a good laugh, would get invited out a lot (although that version of me seems a lifetime away)

I met my husband at uni 22 years ago- totally fancied him straight away. Took a year for us to get together (he did some stupid things which hurt at the time but I put them down to the fact that he had no experience with girls) he cheated on me twice while dating - I forgave both times- but frequently put me in awkward situations when I felt he disrespected me and I was made to feel like a crazy girlfriend for questioning him. Girls would throw themselves at him/ ask if they could sleep in his bed because they were upset- he would agree- nothing would happen but he couldn’t see how it looked to me and others.

Anyway…. After uni we got engaged and married. It wasn’t an easy ride and I was travelling to work each day. When I came home I was tired, cold, hungry etc I couldn’t drive at the time and we lived in a small town so had to be picked up. He never picked me up on time once- in fact I had to wait anywhere from 30/60 mins for him every day. Of course by the time he did pick me up I was so angry we argued- by the time we got home/ it was a quick dinner, shower then bed- ready for my 4.30 alarm the following day. I know this probably Daphne’s pathetic but I really did see it as disrespectful. We r both teachers and although the day doesn’t end at 3pm when children go home/ staying til 6pm each evening whilst ur wife was waiting outside a train station was annoying.

I could see that I was really annoying him- but I couldn’t help it- everything about me seemed to annoy him at the time. Our first Xmas together was painful- he was distant- used to tell me he had doubts about marrying me so young. Ok so clear alarm bells- yes he was having an affair with a work colleague- the signs were so obvious but like I said- he was my first boyfriend so had no idea- I totally trusted him.

In the feb I found out that I was pregnant and absolutely delighted as all I ever wanted was children- he was less excited- said I only wanted sex when I was ovulating- that’s prob a fair comment. The travelling to my school became more difficult as my morning sickness didn’t ease so I started staying with my parents during the week- going home at the weekend. This def made the situation worse. Looking back he def gave me clues but I was so foolish and didn’t see it. He talked a lot about going jogging with this woman, I remember asking him not to and explaining how it made me feel but he made me feel I was being too controlling. The affair continued until i returned home for the sch summer holidays in the July - things were critical by this point- he was aggressive- he resented me- i def felt we were going to break up. Then our first daughter arrived and everything changed. Fatherhood changed him- u know that feeling when u both stare at ur newborn and smile at every little thing they do- u r in a bubble- no one will feel the love for this baby that u both do. It brought us together.

A year later- I very clearly remember the day- he sat me down and told me- well he told bits at a time- lies at a time/ which I questioned so much that he had to change his story. I honestly think he thought he would say he cheated on a one night stand and that I wouldn’t ask anything about it. I can honestly say he broke my heart- I think I cried for months- I felt rejected, stupid, he had ruined everything- everything in my life that was perfect. The more I found out the harder it was- it kept reopening wounds. I didn’t tell anyone as I was too ashamed that I had failed as a wife. His family knew but gave me no support- told him to question if he was really happy with me and our baby. We separated for a few weeks- then one drunken night he come round to see our daughter- we slept together and I fell pregnant. Of course he was delighted as he knew I would then take him back. I believed it happened for a reason and tried to give our marriage a go. I think it took around 4 years for me to not think about the affair weekly. He changed something in me- that would never be the same. My confidence was shattered. I struggled to have sex with him- but did as I worried if I didn’t he would look else where. Don’t get me wrong- he constantly said sorry and told me he loved me but the trust was gone.

Over time I thought about the affair less and less. We went on to have two more daughters. I never fully trusted him but by this point we were both working in the same school so I felt I could keep an eye on him. My husband has never really had friends- doesn’t socialise. I think that’s why it was easy to know he was being faithful. But deep down I always knew if he went out and got drunk and was approached by a woman- he would cheat.

So it’s been 15 years since the affair- it probably took 10 years before I stopped wanting to ask him questions about it- parts of the story that never made sense. Our marriage still wasn’t perfect- my husband is a people pleaser- and sadly that has been to the cost of his wife and children. He wants to be a good dad and parents from the school love him but he always put his job before us. We tried everything- even behaviour charts- like he was a bloody child! There were two defining instances when I really needed him to have my back- not bec he’s my husband (well partly bec of that) but also bec I was right and needed his support. On both occasions he didn’t and his lack of support meant I ended up leaving teaching and becoming a stay at home parent. I really feel I lost a lot of my identity then- which I shared with him. I also gained weight and lost confidence. Part of me thinks he liked me this way as he didn’t feel I would leave.

And so for present day. I turned the big 40 This year and I really stopped and looked at my life. I am a good mum, I have given everything to my children over the past 15 years but I’ve lost my identity. I’m unfit, I don’t like the way I look, I’m under confident and unhappy. My eldest daughter is very anxious, she’s autistic and things are difficult. I take on a lot of her anxiety which I now see is not good for me. My friends and family take advantage of my nature- they often mistreat me and my fear of confrontation means i allow it to happen. But turning 40 something inside has changed, I can’t describe it. Don’t get me wrong- I’m not this confident women about to set the world in fire but I’m beginning to love myself more. I started taking driving lessons and in 10 weeks passed. I can’t believe the freedom it has given me but also made me realise how my husband used me not driving to control me. I love my husband and although things r not perfect- he’s still the only man I want to be with.

Anyway- I’m starting to feel positive but then notice some porn on my husbands phone. I wasn’t looking for it- he clearly forgot he left it there. I approached him about it- didn’t argue but said how it made me feel- I didn’t like it- we have a good sex life and so it upset me that he still needed to look at it. I honestly thought he understood that it brought back a lot of insecurities that have taken a long time to get over. Three weeks later and he forgot to delete things- over 70 images- more extreme than last time. It broke me- and took me right back to the 25 year old me that he cheated on. And now for ur help. I feel so betrayed, the trust is gone again and it’s started me make me feel so insecure myself at a time when I’m trying to be strong. I’ve told him I don’t want to be in the relationship anymore- the trust has gone for good- he doesn’t respect me. I don’t think we bring out the best in each other. I’m bored, he’s boring, I don’t laugh anyone. I love him, I always have but I think it’s security and habit from 20 years. Am I totally over reacting? I feel so lost and numb- I don’t want to make a crazy decision and then regret it. Thanks for taking time to read the novel. X

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tortoiselover100 · 22/11/2021 11:18

Wow that was long, off puttingly long. It seems you were never really right for each other, you've done your best In the circumstances. How would your children feel if you split? Can you manage on your own? You'll probably be happier, it's just a long hard journey before you get to that but. Good luck

witchywoo · 22/11/2021 11:34

Thanks- I’m aware it was too long and tried to condense.

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Electriq · 22/11/2021 11:48

Sometimes, we grow apart, and that's ok, admitting it is the hardest part, and moving away from the comfort of routine is horrifyingly scary.

But from reading, its time to move on, I almost guarantee you will both be happier, maybe not straight away, but eventually.

Melminiani · 22/11/2021 11:52

It seems to me that you’ve never been a priority to him OP. And I don’t see how that is going to change. I’m sorry as that must be hard to hear. Being consistently disrespected and ignored sucks all joy and energy from a person and you yourself can see the knock-on effect that that has had on you and your life.

But I think you need to listen to that voice within you that seems to really want to be heard. You need to keep building on the work you’ve started to do, and I think you need to start looking at building a life without him in it. From what you’ve said, he brings very little to the table for you all, and you may find that a life without him in it feels refreshingly liberating.

Wishing you the very best of luck OP 💐

TillyTopper · 22/11/2021 11:56

Without mutual trust and love I don't think any relationship will be happy - it will be fraught with mistrust, arguments, worry, anxiety and not much love. You have a lot of built up anger, you don't trust him, he doesn't seem that nice (or even reasonable to you), and he's not loving. I'd advise you to make your own way in the world without him - I'm sorry, but that's the way I see it.

TheFoundations · 22/11/2021 11:59

The reason you feel numb is because you've been silencing your feelings of insecurity for years, so now you can barely feel them at all, aside from feeling that something is very very wrong.

Start listening to your feelings today. 'Am I totally over-reacting?' is at the root of your problem. This minimisation has stopped you from respecting your feelings for al these years.

Fundamentally, this is how it should be: you accept your feelings without question, you make them clear, gently and respectfully to your partner, and your partner respects them too. If there is a clash, you talk about it until you feel better, or reach a compromise. If this doesn't happen, it's not a healthy relationship for you. You would have realised this years ago if you had healthy boundaries and self respect; in fact, you did realise, but you squashed your feelings of realisation. The fact that the story you've told covers such a vast period of discomfort shows that you've been doing this for the whole relationship.

Why do you think you deserve to be in a relationship with somebody with whom you feel this way?

witchywoo · 22/11/2021 12:11

Thank you so much everyone for responding. I really do appreciate it.

My husband isn’t a terrible man but he’s done bad things and has never truly owned them. I think u r all right, our issues have been spread over 22 years and if I couldn’t change it in that time I doubt I ever will. I have such low self worth I think I believe he’s the best I will ever get or even deserve. Admitting it is heart breaking and scary. Thanks. Xx

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1Ta1T · 22/11/2021 12:18

Life is a journey with bumps along the way, and clearly you have had that and some. Others will no doubt have other advice but I am a slow moving/no fast decisions sort of person and, against that background, what strikes me most from your post is how you feel about yourself - "I’ve lost my identity. I’m unfit, I don’t like the way I look, I’m under confident and unhappy" - and how that seems to be affecting the choices you make and indeed the options you perceive yourself as having. Now it might be that you won't be able to shift those feelings unless/until you do something about this relationship, but might it be possible to work on those things now - just like you did with the driving - until you can approach your relationship issues from a position of greater confidence and more love for yourself?

ErickBroch · 22/11/2021 12:28

I don't think you have ever been a good match, sadly. He has never really respected you, and you have felt that, and your kids is what kept you together. Now your kids are getting older and probably need you less, you are once again realising how you don't need him in your life. I feel you would be much happier without being in a relationship with him. You deserve to be with someone who shows you respect and love.

TheFoundations · 22/11/2021 12:31

I believe he’s the best I will ever get or even deserve. Admitting it is heart breaking and scary

This is entirely a creation of your own mind. It's a fantasy. It doesn't exist in the world, only in your mind. It's clearly something that you question rather than believing in implicitly, otherwise you would never have posted here to start with. It's not a fact. It's something you are choosing. As such, you are 100% responsible for it. You can encourage or discourage it. You can choose to make it not exist any more. You can decide that you deserve better.

The faults are his, but the responsibility for your happiness is yours. Don't make the decision to keep being unhappy. The best you can get and deserve is to investigate why you are in this headspace, get to the bottom of it, and escape it.

witchywoo · 22/11/2021 12:38

I haven’t loved myself for years- I’ve only recently realised just how true that is and it makes me feel sad. Sad now and for me in the past. I just hope it isn’t too late- learning to drive has been the most amazing achievement this year- I need to keep reminding myself what I can achieve. Thanks for the love everyone. X

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Bluntness100 · 22/11/2021 12:39

Honestly it doesn’t work. He can’t give you what you need. Neither of you are likely happy.

Sometimes you need to stop trying and accept it doesn’t work and you can’t change that.

TheFoundations · 22/11/2021 13:10

@witchywoo

I haven’t loved myself for years- I’ve only recently realised just how true that is and it makes me feel sad. Sad now and for me in the past. I just hope it isn’t too late- learning to drive has been the most amazing achievement this year- I need to keep reminding myself what I can achieve. Thanks for the love everyone. X
It's a good thing to have noticed it. It stops you being on the cold bare ground, and puts you on a springboard.

What is it that learning to drive had fed in you? Self respect? Doing something for yourself? Increasing your opportunities? Something else? Work out what bit of you it filled a hole in, and do more things that will fill it up more and more. This is a project: Project Witchywoo. Focus on you. Do things that make you feel good. Back away from things that make you feel bad. Keep doing that, more and more and more, and your life will get better. Your self esteem will rise. You will feel you have more power and control, and that really is all you have to do: more things that make you feel good, and less things that make you feel bad.

And it's a long project, that makes life better and better for all of your years. Start now Flowers

5128gap · 22/11/2021 13:22

Your marriage has lasted because you have tolerated things you shouldn't have had to, compromised yourself and put your hurt and dissatisfaction in a box. With your new found confidence and the landmark of 40, you can see you have short changed yourself. The porn is a catalyst and its giving you the reason you think you need (you already have loads!) to get out there and try for the life you deserve.

witchywoo · 22/11/2021 13:26

Project witchywoo… I like the sound of that. Xx

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 22/11/2021 13:29

I can't be bothered to read every word, sorry. But it sounds as though you shouldn't have got married in the first place. Right from the start you have called him 'boring.'

You have resented each other ever since you've had children, he's had affairs, you've had your head stuck in the sand and you really need some counselling to realise why you have such low standards.

Please seek some professional help to get you through this. Make your own boundaries and plans to spilt. Get financial and legal advice and start reclaiming your life.

Libelula21 · 22/11/2021 13:34

Learning to drive when older is not easy! Congratulations! It took me 9 attempts and I was in my 20s!

I’ve no advice for the rest, though the picture of your husband that you’ve chosen to share with us is of a man who has cheated on you a number times, who’s never cherished you, never valued your time, who hasn’t upheld you in your career, and who consumes extreme porn to this day.

You only have one life. Love yourself. 💐

Didimum · 22/11/2021 13:52

The porn isn't the issue (unless it's always been one of your boundaries), the issue is that the scars he has left you from cheating the first time, and if I'm honest, the very beginnings of your relationship, have caused you deep trauma that you have never healed from. Your whole relationship has been rugsweeping. He's never really been held accountable for it, he's never had to account for it by telling you the whole truth rather than drip feeding you some version of the truth, he's never done any work on himself to become what you need and deserve. He is not a safe partner for you and you are not overreacting. If you do not want to stay together, then it's possible for some, but requires a tremendous amount of work from both of you for years –the relationship is dead and gone, and you build a whole new one on a completely new basis. To be honest, it doesn't sound as though he would put the real, meaningful work in. I'd make the break and put all that energy into healing yourself and a new life.

witchywoo · 22/11/2021 14:10

Thank you Didimum. I thought we had clear boundaries on porn- so yes, that makes it an issue. You are absolutely right- I’ve never healed from the trauma of his affair and have been rugsweeping ever since.

I honestly thought peoples responses would be more balanced- there’s two people in a relationship so each has to take responsibility for its failures. All your words have really given me strength today, thank you!

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TheFoundations · 22/11/2021 14:28

there’s two people in a relationship so each has to take responsibility for its failures

That's not true. Each has to take responsibility for their own wellbeing. As individuals. If one person is treating the other badly, then the disrespectful person has to take responsibility for stopping their behaviour, and the victim has to take responsibility for making sure the outcome is a good one for them and possibly but not necessarily the relationship.

There's a difference between fault and responsibility. It's his fault you're hurt (and that looks backwards) but it's your responsibility to sort out your feelings, with or without him (and that looks forwards) It's not up to you to take responsibility for his failings. It sounds like he blew it years ago with you, if you'd only had the strength to walk away. But that's ok. You've taken some time to get your head round your feelings, and now you have.

The question isn't about taking responsibility for the 'failings of the relationship'. It's whether you want to continue to be with somebody who has failed you in a relationship.

Didimum · 22/11/2021 14:37

@witchywoo

Of course it's true 'there’s two people in a relationship so each has to take responsibility for its failures' – but there's failure of a relationship, and then there is the choice to cheat. The failure of a relationship happens within the relationship, between the dynamic of two people, by cheating he has taken himself external to that relationship to betray you. If he was unhappy in your relationship, either due to your behaviour, his behaviour or external factors, he had numerous other choices to turn to –sitting you down and telling you he was unhappy, telling you he wanted to break up or have a trial separation, asking you to attend counselling with him, attending counselling by himself – all of which would have caused you some pain and heartbreak, of course, but no, he chose instead to betray you and have an affair.

Even if you had faults within the relationship that caused him unhappiness, it is not your fault he had an affair. He had an affair because he wanted to, and he does not have the honesty or integrity to address it.

witchywoo · 22/11/2021 18:41

Thanks everyone x

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