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Is history repeating itself?

20 replies

Maczoom · 21/11/2021 15:54

I was in a relationship for nearly 20 years, which wasn't the best. I was gas lighted and lost faith in myself, which led to me ignoring the fact that I meant nothing to him, until the cheating became so blatant that I couldn't ignore it.
I've since met someone else who seems the opposite of my ex. He is thoughtful, kind and actually listens to what I say. He is great with his own kids and my boys both love him. They all get on really well together.
We've been seeing each other for two years and spend most of our time together, going between each other's houses, which I do find a bit tiresome, but happy to do for now. However, when we were talking about something the other day he mentioned the possibility of us moving in together in 10 years or so, once all our kids are grown up and have moved on. I'd not considered us living together or not really, but hearing him state that it wouldn't happen until his kids have left makes me feel like I'm just an option for when he has nothing better to do.
We've also booked a holiday abroad together next year. He sorted this, but we're both paying for our own families. He's booked us separate hotel rooms to stay in with our kids, so again it feels more like going on holiday with a friend than someone I'm having a relationship with.
I do love him and in most ways he's perfect, but I think because I didn't really have a family life with my ex, as he was always working or off doing his own thing, I'd actually like to have a proper committed relationship with someone.
Am I being silly? Should I just appreciate what I've got and lead separate lives until it's more convenient?
I'm quite emotional at the moment anyway thanks to peri menopause, so not sure I trust the way I'm feeling.

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RaisedByPangolins · 21/11/2021 16:00

I know exactly how you feel - I’m in the same position as you but 10 years down the line. I would like to feel that things had moved on in that time but no, our DCs are all teens now and showing no signs of moving out for at least another 10 years!

Re the holiday thing, I stopped doing holidays and days out all together because it literally just felt like a day out with my own DCs and him having a day out with his!! We do adult only holidays just the two of us. And then separate ones with our respective kids.

No advice because it upsets me on a regular basis and I don’t know how to solve it but I have empathy for you. Interested to see if anyone has any other ideas!

Maczoom · 21/11/2021 16:10

Have you spoken to your partner about it? I haven't, even though I know I should. I'm just not very good at communicating, as always got shut down in my last relationship.

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TheTrinity · 21/11/2021 16:33

I can see how you would feel emotional and worried. But on the positive side, since you had not considered whether you'd live together or not, I assume you have not had this conversation together so if he mentioned it as a possibility in 10 years times, maybe he is simply testing the waters and seeing how you would react? If this is more likely the case, you can choose a good time to discuss this option with him. Again with the holiday sleeping arrangements, maybe he simply thinks this is the most practical option since I assume your kids are primary school age so perhaps it is better for each parent to be with their own kids? In this case, obviously it's not necessarily him denying your relationship?

Coldtoday · 21/11/2021 16:36

Ten years does sound like a long way away. How old are the children? I think you should decide what would be best for you and tell him.

Maczoom · 21/11/2021 16:45

His kids are 13 and 10, mine 11 and 10. I presumed for a holiday we'd get an apartment or something, so all together with bedrooms for the kids to share and one for us.
His announcement just sounded like a definite statement, like he'd made the decision, which is what worries me. There was no discussion.
I'm just worried that I wasted years on someone who I meant nothing to, and wanted to find someone who I could share a life with.

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RaisedByPangolins · 21/11/2021 16:51

Yes I talk to him about it often, but we go round in circles because we both want our DCs not to be disrupted, so we can’t agree on where we’d live or how we’d allocate rooms etc and we get into heated discussions about the exes - about his having no boundaries and that I wouldn’t want her coming into my house Willy nilly!

And then moving in together would mean I lose my lone parent tax credits and he’d end up subsiding my lower income, so we get into discussions about money - I try not to sound like I’m after him for his money, but have to be honest about how I see things being shared with me on £12k and him on £120k! But he gets defensive about needing to provide for his kids in the future, wanting to save enough to pay for their house deposits and presumably weddings etc so I worry that we’ll end up with a two tier family where he and his are well looked after and I have to fend for myself and be at the mercy of his charity.

He says that I’d need a better paying job (never going to be a £120k job though!), then I feel judged and feel like he is so focussed on providing future security for his kids that he’s making me feel insecure, and like I don’t matter etc and so it goes on!!

When we first met we were in a similar position financially, and we saw our future as a largely equal and shared venture, but his income has increased significantly over 10 years (partly due to me pushing him to go for pay rises, new jobs etc Angry ) while I have stagnated, but it seems like as he’s done better for himself, the drive to keep things separate so as not to lose any of it has got stronger. He’s also just supported his DB through a divorce and seen how much it has “cost him” to equalise the future living situation between him and his SAHM ex wife. Of course it all seems very unfair from his side, but having been on her side in the past I can see that it’s just marriage doing it’s job of protesting the lower earning spouse. However, it hasn’t helped my cause at all!!

Recently I’ve talked to him about what’s important to me and that even if we don’t live together for the foreseeable - or even ever - I would like a show of commitment to make sure that everyone (and most importantly me!!) knows that we are in this for the long haul.

I’m 47. I won’t want to be someone’s bloody girlfriend! And I we can’t or won’t get married for many years, I’d still like to be engaged so that I feel like up a grade up from where I was the week we met 10 years ago!

I think it’s important to have a shared goal and vision of the future. I too have been scared to say it out loud in case we’re not on the same page. I actually brought it up mid-sex the other night Grin. Almost as if I was already vulnerable and being open to him, so why not just let it all out, so I told him I want him to propose, that I want to feel important to him and that don’t care how long it takes. It shouldn’t cost any money, I don’t want an expensive ring, I just want a promise that I mean something more to him than being a girlfriend forever. I think he felt the implication there, that is he’s not willing to do that then he needs to let me go so I can find someone who is, as he took it seriously and has mentioned it a couple of times since.

He did ask afterwards if I’d like to discuss it again “without a gun to his head” Grin but then said that his answer would be the same!

Sorry for the long ramble, just wanted to let you know what our stumbling blocks are in case any of them ring bells for you.

I’d advise that whatever is on your mind, find a time when you can talk openly about it and be vulnerable. And keep talking. Without it, your relationship is only half a relationship because you’re not being honest with him or yourself.

RaisedByPangolins · 21/11/2021 16:53

*protecting the lower earning spouse!

WillThisUsernameDo · 21/11/2021 16:57

It sounds like the problem here is that you’re not speaking up. I’m in a similar relationship and would have booked a room set up for a holiday as your dp has. If he’d told me he’d prefer an apartment or whatever then we’d do that instead. Unless you tell him that you want to share rooms on holiday or that you’d imagined you moving in together sooner he will have no idea. It certainly doesn’t sound like history repeating itself - the man isn’t cheating or gaslighting you. He’s just doing/ saying what he wants and as you aren’t objecting he’s assuming that it’s fine.

RaisedByPangolins · 21/11/2021 16:57

@Maczoom

His kids are 13 and 10, mine 11 and 10. I presumed for a holiday we'd get an apartment or something, so all together with bedrooms for the kids to share and one for us. His announcement just sounded like a definite statement, like he'd made the decision, which is what worries me. There was no discussion. I'm just worried that I wasted years on someone who I meant nothing to, and wanted to find someone who I could share a life with.
We had similar with holidays too. We rented a house for us all a few years ago but his DD still wanted to share with him! He snores so tbh I was happy to let her have him, and I got the king size bed to myself. Grin
Maczoom · 21/11/2021 16:59

Thanks, I have messaged to say we need to talk, as I know you're right. If I am not open about this then I can't expect him to mind read!

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Maczoom · 21/11/2021 17:03

Raisedbypangolins, I think if I was ten years in and in the same situation as I am now, I would be devastated. I've done this once already. Never married the father of my kids, as he never really wanted to, so when we split I got nothing. He got to keep all the money he made whilst I was raising our kids and still claim 50/50 custody of the kids he'd never had anything to do with.
It sounds like your partner isn't treating you and your kids like they're part of his family. It's all about saving for his kids future, rather than his family's, which should include you and your children. It's like they want the benefits of a relationship without the burdens, and that's what I'm worried about.

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HaroldSteptoesHorse · 21/11/2021 17:05

Do either of you have or can you both afford a home big enough for all the kids?
Maybe he doesn’t want to live with your kids and his, doesn’t make him a bad person. He’s been honest that he’s rather wait for you to live together if this is not what you want then you need to move on and let this man lead his life as he wants to and you lead yours.

RaisedByPangolins · 21/11/2021 17:06

Most hotels won’t let two kids have a room - they need you to book it as one adult in each one, unless you can get a place with adjoining rooms.

But once you get there you could asses the situation and if the rooms are next door and your DCs are happy to share, then you could end up sleeping together anyway. Otherwise how is he envisaging you getting any time for sex? Or is that not an issue? I know mine would be trying to shoehorn it in wherever possible and it might make him rethink the room thing.

Of course its perfectly possibly to go a week without it, but I’d find it weird not to share a bed on holiday if you do at home.

Herecomesthesun70 · 21/11/2021 17:07

When I go on holiday with DH he shares a room with DSS and I share with my DD
The age difference means the kids don't scare so we deal with it for the holiday. Though with 4 kids of similar age an apartment does sound better

RaisedByPangolins · 21/11/2021 17:18

It sounds like your partner isn't treating you and your kids like they're part of his family. It's all about saving for his kids future, rather than his family's, which should include you and your children. It's like they want the benefits of a relationship without the burdens, and that's what I'm worried about

Spot on. It’s like he’s part of my family - he spends time here with me and my DCs a couple of nights a week and is very caring towards them - but I’m not part of his. That is partly due to circumstances (his ex is a twat and always hanging around at his house so I don’t go there much) and partly due to me putting some emotional distance in there so that I don’t get taken advantage of.

When we were first together there were hints of me being used as free childcare, they never did as they were told when I asked them, and there was a lot of jealousy from his DCs towards me and my DCs so I stepped back a lot from spending time with his DCs and the gulf widened. One memorable time in the car with him and his DD (age 9-10 at the time) she asked him (after 5 years of us being together) if I was his girlfriend. Made me wonder wtf he’d been telling them all that time! And then proceeded to ask if he won the lottery what he’d do with the money. She suggested that maybe he could get back with their mum in that case. I was gobsmacked that I was so clearly surplus to requirements even after 5 years! So tbh not living together has been as much at my insistence as his. However, I did think things might change as the kids all grew up. But I can see them being those adult kids who keep coming back and I think he’d love that! I just want to move on to the next phase - one where he and I are the centre of it - but I think he’ll still be hanging onto his role as dad being central and our relationship facilitating that in whatever way it needs to. It’s made me reevaluate my plans and instead of investing the equity from my house into a joint one with him and his DCs I’m thinking I’ll buy two small places. One to rent out and one to live in, so I have some income and an investment too. He can get his big house for him and his DCs and I’ll just visit him. But that’s not my dream. It’s just the compromise I feel I have to make because he’s not willing or able to give me what I really want, which is a stable and secure partnership at the centre of it all.

Maczoom · 21/11/2021 18:11

It's such a shame that you're having to compromise like that. This is exactly the situation I don't want to be in. I invested 18 years into a relationship that was meaningless. I left with less than I put in and I don't want to end up doing the same.
I want the full commitment of a proper relationship, and whilst I appreciate that when there are kids involved it can be difficult, plenty of people do it, so it's not impossible. Plus it's not a decision for just one person to make and announce as a fait accompli!

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RaisedByPangolins · 21/11/2021 19:10

No that’s true. And having come from an unequal ‘first’ relationship, I have only very recently found my voice in this one. But I fear that the precedents have been set and it’s too late to get the family I would have wanted. You’re not as far down the road as me so you have time to build that family if that’s what you want. You just need the confidence to talk about it.

One thing I’ve found very helpful is the Gottman Institute website. They talk a lot about building solid foundations and creating shared meaning etc. Definitely worth reading some of their articles. Not specific to blended situations, but the focus is very much on the couple as the centre of the relationship and on the importance of that relationship being strong to support the children. Even more important when those children have already been through a divorce.

tarasmalatarocks · 21/11/2021 19:56

Do his kids actually live with him OP? Can’t see if you mentioned that. I think this guy is quite happy with a nice girlfriend, I am presuming sex and space on his own too— which is all fine if you felt the same but clearly you want a more ‘emeshed situation’ you know something if I was a divorced bloke on £120k with a low earning partner who already has kids , I wouldn’t be looking to get married either and probably financially would think stuff needs to be separate. If you want something a bit more ‘all in this together’ I don’t think he’s your man— but have the chat anyway— I don’t think he will ever see your kids as ‘family’ if I’m honest

Maczoom · 21/11/2021 23:11

@RaisedByPangolins

No that’s true. And having come from an unequal ‘first’ relationship, I have only very recently found my voice in this one. But I fear that the precedents have been set and it’s too late to get the family I would have wanted. You’re not as far down the road as me so you have time to build that family if that’s what you want. You just need the confidence to talk about it.

One thing I’ve found very helpful is the Gottman Institute website. They talk a lot about building solid foundations and creating shared meaning etc. Definitely worth reading some of their articles. Not specific to blended situations, but the focus is very much on the couple as the centre of the relationship and on the importance of that relationship being strong to support the children. Even more important when those children have already been through a divorce.

Thanks, that site looks really helpful.
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TheFoundations · 22/11/2021 08:05

Should I just appreciate what I've got and lead separate lives until it's more convenient

There are no 'shoulds'. Where do you think they would come from, the guidelines about how you should behave and how you should feel in a relationship?

All that you need from your partner is respect for your feelings. All you need to do for him is respect his feelings. You may have different ideas about how you want your relationship to move forward, and that's fine. If you can respect each other, then you can move forward by compromising or separating. But none of that can happen until you explain to him how you feel.

If you can't explain to him how you feel, you are already wasting your time in this relationship.

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