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Unable to leave DP but I think it is unfixable

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DanglingSilver · 15/11/2021 11:49

I am in a situation where I intellectually know I probably need to leave my DP but can't seem to do it. I am still young enough (38) to meet someone else and get married. I have grown kids, so that's not an issue but I have still never been married and would like a partner to grow old with if possible.

I know I would find it easy to find someone else if I tried to, although I can't at present imagine wanting to. I'm not a person who needs a relationship and have spent many years single, so I think fear of being alone (as long as it's not forever!) isn't a factor.

That said, I have always taken breakups particularly hard looking back. I have only had two from people I loved but it took years rather than months for the pain of loss to go away. I am good at being alone, but once I let someone in I find it hard to move on from someone if I love them.

Getting married and sharing a life with someone is deeply important to me and if I were to look back on my life and feel I had missed out on that experience of sharing the ups and downs of life with someone special, I would feel my life was wasted in a sense.

I spent many years focussed on career and raising kids and when I met DP you could say I was "ready" when we met and it would be a big disappointment to have to start again when I believed with certainty that I had found the right person.

The relationship I had with DP was good for me and I became a really joyful person after he came into my life. I've never had a relationship before that felt so comfortable and right for me. He ticked all the boxes for me and was my best friend. He allowed me freedom to live my life, but also great love and comfort and we made each other the best versions of ourselves. We had so much fun. Had circumstances and choices been different, I am certain we would have had a happy life together like two peas-in-a-pod and died old together.

DP and I have been together almost five years. I had believed DP to be an unusually moral character and that's partially why I fell in love with him. I knew he had low-self esteem but that was quite endearing. Rory and Amy from Doctor Who if you can picture that. We had a really happy relationship.

So the reason I have to leave is he had an affair. I want to keep details brief as it's not really about them, it's about me, but as I know questions will come so it's important to know two key elements.

Firstly that it happened during a very long (16 months) physical separation over the lockdowns and working in different countries temporarily at the time. We had never expected when we made the arrangement that we would be apart for so long or that it would be impossible to travel for visits, otherwise we would never have made the arrangement which was made for financial and career reasons and made good sense at the time.

Secondly, due to these circumstances, he was spending all day, every day with this other person and consequently was forming a friendship for nearly a year before the affair began that should obviously never have happened. It also obvious she was pursuing him from the beginning and the "friendship" was a deep infatuation on her part. I believe he was largely unaware of this infatuation, being largely unaware of why anyone would fancy him generally. Not an excuse by any stretch, but I do not believe a relationship of with any other person would ever have been formed had there not been those circumstances.

Thirdly, the affair was unusual in that it was characterised with copious alcohol (he was never a drinker before but during this period was drinking heavily every day), as well as serious psychological abuse from coercion to blackmail to violence and control, reminiscent of his turbulent childhood and bringing out the very worst in him - the of he and I. When he refused to leave me for her, she turned out to be a complete bunny boiler and the police had to get involved and so on. I put the blame on him entirely for what he did, but it's also worth noting this woman subjected him to severe abuse over a prolonged period and latterly subjected me to the same, which makes him both perpetrator and victim.

Infidelity was always a deal breaker for me, but I found myself for a myriad of reasons trying to work through it. At first, he was absolutely committed to doing anything and everything to help me and us but over time, the perfect reconciliation grew cracks which turned into chasms.

Partly as neither of us expected a year long campaign to get rid of a completely mad woman with a dangerous obsession with him, which put an unimaginable strain on us both. There were weeks where she would be harassing me or him to the point I actually thought she was going to kill one of us and that made it hard to focus on the actual cheating. Secondly because it became clear as the effects of it all settled that he was too damaged from it all to be fully capable of what was needed. So the guilt, shame and pretty severe anxiety and depression resulting from his actions and the consequences of those are more than he can handle.

He is, deep down, a good, moralistic person and he hates himself for what he did which makes me feel a profound sense of sadness over the sheer waste of it. He always felt he didn't deserve me (childhood crap), and now he has confirmed it to himself. The spiral of shame and self-pity is the opposite to what I need and I don't see a way he is going to be capable of turning this around probably without long term therapy. I am worried at this point that the damage he's done to himself might be irredeemable, and it's difficult for me to say that but he's massively traumatised and seriously depressed.

With those parameters, I am basically in a situation where although our relationship is still full of love and passion, there is an unresolved betrayal and the perpetrator cannot (at least for the foreseeable future) do the real work of healing me or us. Worse, where I am left picking up the pieces of destruction (ie: dealing with a far diminished version of him) from how his bad choices have affected him and that's not right either.

I think our relationship used to be characterised by us both thinking the other was the best person in the world, and feeling lucky. That is still there in a way, but whereas being with me brought on the very best in him and gave him strength and security, the affair did the opposite and so he's a mess now. Now he feels he is a POS in my eyes and is responsible for my unhappiness and for a man who was once susceptible to flattery, lovebombing and ego-stroking I expect that's hard to deal with.

I know that what I need from him is for him to get out of the loop of self-defensiveness, self-pity and shame and just decide he has serious work to do on himself to fix all this. I want him to go to counselling, read lots of books on all this and decide to take positive steps to make real amends. He's not doing that, he's just depressed and barely coping.

So I think the best thing for me would be to leave, but these are the reasons I find it hard:

  • I feel attached to a version of our life where he didn't do this. Or even where he did, but the person he did it with wasn't so crazy that he ended up like this. Being with me was the best of him and this was the worst, and a series of terrible choices led us to where we are when we could have been somewhere else entirely. Like Sliding Doors or something. I have experienced a lot of loss and tragedy in my life and my nature is to think that things can be fixed and hope can endure so it's hard for me to turn my back on a possibility that from the destruction there may be hope.
  • I am, by nature, a deeply loyal person (I realise that sounds pretty ironic in the circumstances) and the thought of leaving him is hard for me. I promised to be there, and I know that sounds crazy but it's how I feel.
  • I am, despite all this, utterly miserable without him. This may be a mess, but the happiest I am is when we are together and not thinking about all this stuff. His affair and all the consequences have caused me grief of a kind I scarcely knew I could feel, but losing him entirely would be a grief I am unsure I could endure.
  • I find it difficult to accept the sense of tragedy that mistakes, bad choices and a calamity of circumstances came together to destroy something that was once so precious, and I feel a profound sense of sadness that nothing I can do can bring that back.
  • I try and picture a life where we are not together, and it feels alien to me. I can't imagine not telling him when something great happens that day, or not turning to him on days where I feel bad. I can't imagine the life we have laid out not being the life we end up with and it feels like such a massive loss to lose that.
  • I feel worried about him. I know if I leave I will be devastated and probably be single for a year or two, but will eventually meet someone else and marry. He would probably not be okay. I honestly don't think he'd ever recover, not just from losing me, but from the psychological damage of all that's happened.
  • I can't shift the feeling that he feels like my family. I am not sure how to leave somebody you feel that way about. Even when he's annoying me or I am upset with him, he still feels like he belongs there. I don't understand how people detach from that.
  • There are times, sometimes long periods of time, where we are just "us". The "us" before he did this, and in those times we are happy. There is so much love, and I find it difficult to accept that is all gone.

So I am in a situation where someone I love has done something so bad to me, to us, and in a lot of ways to himself that I don't think either of us can or will recover without tools I don't think he has. At least not now.

I have toyed with the idea of trying to separate, but I can't seem to be apart from him. I don't know what the right thing to do is, and I find myself thinking maybe I should just accept it and keep quiet.

Has anyone experienced infidelity or anything like this to offer me some kind of wisdom? I know, intellectually, that I would hurt badly for a long time, but it would get better and I would love again but I just can't honestly imagine two people who fitted together more than we do, and the idea of facing the rest of my life without him makes me so sad.

OP posts:
MollysDolly · 15/11/2021 12:05

He spent 16mths forming a relationship with someone else. That's a serious relationship.

He wouldn't have told her about you, and when it all blew up in his face, it was the "alcohol" and she's a "bunny boiler" and he is a "good moral person deep down"

I imagine she was pissed off to the rafters when she found out about you. Do you see, that to her, you're the "other woman" and she has the real relationship, and he's cheated on her. God only knows what he's told her about you. I hope she hasn't swallowed his tales the way you have. She's "mad" and it was all down to the alcohol. He was drunk every day for 16mths eh? Otherwise that's a long time to voluntarily be in a relationship with a "mad" woman.

In 16 months he wasn't able to get home to you at all? I don't know of any country where this was the case for so long.

You say you've been together nearly 5yrs. For the last 1.5yrs he's been with someone else. So in the 3.5yrs prior, at what point did you move in together?

This all sounds like a complete car crash and that you are trying to make out that someone who entered a new relationship for a year and half, is the one for you. He's making the right noises at you, because she won't tolerate his bullshit, but he knows you will, he's not sorry, he just knows it's the path of least resistance to get back with you, and he'll get away with whatever he likes again. Is this what you want from your life?

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh. I just wish you could read your post as a bystander and see how ridiculous it sounds. He is playing you a blinder. And it's because you're letting him.

TakeYourFinalPosition · 15/11/2021 12:18

but I just can't honestly imagine two people who fitted together more than we do, and the idea of facing the rest of my life without him makes me so sad.

Its rare that people can; when they’re mourning something. And the idea of life without him will be hard, until you rip the plaster off and do it. You’re waiting for the guillotine to fall.

He had an affair for 16 months. He is the type of person who’d do that, because he did. Your circumstances at the time might have contributed; but he still had the affair. A prolonged one.

You’re mourning what used to be, and what could have been, and what you thought it was. It’ll be useful for you to reframe all of this as that, and acknowledge it for what it is.

Then you can make a decision about your future without it feeling so heavy. There’s nothing you can do to change what happened, and there’s no way back to a time when it didn’t happen, and no amount of excuses will make it feel different. So if it’s done, it’s time to stop the anxious waiting, make the split, sort out any practicalities and then start both being able to heal.

DanglingSilver · 15/11/2021 14:02

A misinterpretation from my post is that he had an affair for 16 months. I said I was away for 16 months but he didn't even know this person for that long. They were friends for just over a year and working closely together before the affair. The affair lasted 3 weeks.

OP posts:
Peridot1 · 15/11/2021 14:12

Did you post about it before? I seem to remember it.

I think the priority has to be him dealing with what has happened and what he did and brought to your lives. He needs to face it with therapy.

I don’t know if it would be something I could forgive but I have friends who got through him being unfaithful. It wasn’t easy and took a lot of work for them both but over ten years on they are still together.

Sakurami · 15/11/2021 14:21

You're still young, you are in a great situation with grown kids. The world is your oyster. Your dp isn't innocent in this and has brought a whole load of drama and abuse into your life. Lots of people have gone through lockdown without seeing their mate and not having sex and the world hasn't ended. He cheated and therefore that is all you have to consider. Bringing childhood, abuse etc into it is bollocks - he wanted to have sex with someone else and he did. It was worth risking his relationship with you to have sex with someone else.

I couldn't accept cheating (tried) for 2 reasons. 1. Without trust there is no relationship. 2. I don't want to be a paranoid controlling partner where I'm checking phones, wondering why they're late or if they're going to cheat again, or worried if they're away on business or on a night out.

IknowwhatIneed · 15/11/2021 14:31

You’re not unable to leave him, you’re choosing not go and it’s important to understand the difference, so you can consider why you’re making that choice.

Some relationships do survive infidelity, many others don’t but the ones that do survive (and I don’t mean paper over the cracks), are where both partners are able to clearly see what happened and why, they don’t excuse or condone but they do actively work on things honestly and with intention.

From what you’ve said, that’s not where you are, yet.

Atla · 15/11/2021 14:33

You aren't responsible for him, or his healing, or his childhood trauma. You can't change what he thinks you think about him, or how he has behaved. He is a person with his own agency - it doesn't matter if she set out to get him, she wouldn't have succeeded if he didn't want to be 'got'.

Being friends for 12 months and an affair for 3 weeks sounds like a crock to me, but stranger things have happened I guess.

I think you know you have to end things - it's ok to mourn what might have been, but you don't exist in that universe, you are in this one: the one where he betrayed you and is somehow using his own guilt as a stick to beat you with.

litterbird · 15/11/2021 14:36

The end of the day he cheated on you, please dont try justifying it with the past childhood abuse scenario. You have a great life so I would suggest you move on from this man and build a life with someone who doesnt choose another woman to sleep with each time you spend time apart. If you stay you will bury the hurt and betrayal and your life will never be the same with him and you will spend your future years looking over your shoulder. Not a good life to live OP.

anthurium · 15/11/2021 15:06

I'm curious Op how you seem to know that "I know if I leave I will be devastated and probably be single for a year or two, but will eventually meet someone else and marry". Nobody is really able to predict something like this, unless of course you already have someone else lined up, or are you willing to settle?

SarahBellam · 15/11/2021 15:36

It sounds like he made those choices and now you're trying to find a loophole to excuse him. I'm not convinced you meant the same to him as he did to you in spite of the pretty words. I would split up. You are not responsible for his actions and you don't owe him or need to protect him. Far from him not coping I'd guess he'll be on Tinder before the month is out.

honeylulu · 15/11/2021 17:54

I remember your other posts. To be honest I'm surprised you didn't find it easy to break it off when you hadn't seen him for 16 months. If I remember correctly you hadn't seen him again when you found out about the affair, nor for some time afterwards.

Has he now returned from abroad and you then continued the relationship in person? If so you've probably missed your best opportunity to extract yourself with minimal bother and heartache.

He isn't a "good moral person". You are hankering for the person you once thought he was but never was. Get on with your life!!!

MollysDolly · 16/11/2021 09:04

@SarahBellam

It sounds like he made those choices and now you're trying to find a loophole to excuse him. I'm not convinced you meant the same to him as he did to you in spite of the pretty words. I would split up. You are not responsible for his actions and you don't owe him or need to protect him. Far from him not coping I'd guess he'll be on Tinder before the month is out.
This. All of this.

You sound like quite a fantasist, OP. With your Dr Who analogies. And how wonderful and perfect things were, and this romanticised yearning from you.

You totally invest in every story he tells you. It's cringey to read, because you sound like a lovely person. But he's capitalising on knowing you'll always make excuses for him. You're still buying into it now, with the "I'm such a piece of shit, you deserve so much better, ohhhh my childhood.". All he's trotting out is what he knows you'll be guaranteed to lap up and see him as the poor victim. You've already called him that in your OP. Open your eyes.

I think you felt all these things about him, the luckiest person in the world etc. You shared that, and he agreed with you. Do you see that. He mirrored you. It wasn't coming from him. I'm wondering now if he has narcissistic or sociopathic traits. Because when you think deeper on it, it sure is starting to look that way.

Whilst you are buying into this "I'm such an arsehole, I can't even manage counseling" and thinking of how you'll be moping around and heartbroken for years, he will be on Tinder (or whatever) by the end of the month. Maybe that's what you need to see. Even then, he'll tell you "I only did it as I feel so worthless that I just throw myself around for meaningless sex, in such despair at how I ruined our relationship". That's exactly the sort of line he'd peddle. And you'll not only believe that, but go all "my soulmate in such turmoil". He's not. He knows what lines you need to hear, to keep you around as an option.

I think you need to take a long and brutally honest look at who he actually is. And not who he is based on you cherry picking what suits you, and believing he felt the same as you did about him, all because he basically said "me too" while you waxed lyrical. Because when you stop making excuses (for him and yourself) he's actually not a nice person at all. He's quite the opposite.

ravenmum · 16/11/2021 09:26

Sounds like a fairy story romance at first, and I wonder if it was perhaps really a fairy story. He sounds good at spinning a yarn; making you feel he understands you, and even making you feel sorry for him in this situation. This affair presumably came to light because the woman involved revealed all? What if she hadn't? You'd never have known about it. Is it definitely the only time? You still believe he's highly moral despite conclusive proof he is not; what would he have to do to make you think otherwise?
I also find it surprising that she reacted like that after just three weeks. Did she agree that it was so short?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/11/2021 09:32

He doesn’t sound like a particularly good or moral person to me. I think he’s told you he is, and you’ve run with this, but shit happens.

Time to move on.

layladomino · 16/11/2021 13:19

You have many reasons and explanations for why your DP had an affair.

Bit childhood trauma is not an excuse for an affair.
Feeling insecure is not a reason for an affair (just think about it logically)
Being physically away for a year does not justify an affair
Someone coming on to him does not mean he is a victim. (Have you ever had someone come on to you who you didn't want? It's easy to say no isn't it?)
Drinking too much is not an excuse. (Drink may be partially blamed for a one-off mistake, but 3 weeks worth of mistakes? Was he permanently drunk for 3 weeks (if it was just 3 weeks)? No - he made some sober decisions in that time to continue the affair.)

So he's made loads of excuses, made himself the victim, and has now made up some new excuses as to why he can't make any effort to make things right.

I'd walk away.

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