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Can anyone help me get my head around this? :(

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Tuckyourpants · 13/11/2021 08:40

Last summer I met someone through distant but mutual friends. We grew up in the same place. He was very very keen but also very nice. I started to find the contact quite intense after a few months and by February I had to actually ask him if he could not message me continually if I hadn’t replied for a couple of hours or so. I didn’t feel harassed and I do like a lot of contact but this seemed to be on another level. I felt like he almost didn’t trust me or something but had no reason not to. We got on really well though. He wasn’t massively happy about the contact comment, he wasn’t angry or rude and said he would cut it back but he enjoyed messaging. I asked if we could have a break for a bit and he said a break was a breakup to him. I was really confused as I did want to be with him but found it all quite full on. I’m sure I didn’t behave perfectly either!

Anyway, a few months later we were in touch again. Lots of nice phone calls and chats. He asked if I wanted to go over, I said yes. I got there and he’d got wine, music, candles. Clearly made an effort. He invited me round again to watch a film and then one night we kissed. It seemed great and a lot calmer than the last time we were seeing each other.

After a few weeks, I text on the way to his to say my eta and he tells me not to come over but won’t say why, vaguely that he’s working. It was all really strange.

To cut a long story short, it has now turned out from some Facebook browsing that three months before we started seeing each other again, he was actually in a relationship with someone and she was pregnant but living abroad at this time…he had been tagged in all this, pregnant updates etc and then the week after he told me not to come over, there was a photo posted of them together saying ‘reunited’ with heart emojis. During this time I had been messaging him asking what was going on and he was pleasant to begin with but didn’t explain and the more confused I was the more nasty he got, basically saying I ‘hadn’t changed’ Hmm and that I needed to move on and he regretted ever meeting me. Obviously then I didn’t know where this had come from. When I found out about the relationship i contacted him and asked why he’d lied and he said it was none of my business and he didn’t know about the pregnancy until recently… yet the Facebook dates show this woman updating her status three months before me and him met again?! At the time he was seeing me the travel restrictions meant he couldn’t be with her I can only assume.

Can Facebook updates be retrospective? Could she have updated the relationship status and the other post of photos tagging him with the pregnancy but back dated it? I didn’t think you could do that but he claimed he’d only just found out she was pregnant after we’d met a few times…and I don’t get why he’d have met me if that wasn’t true?! But she was pretty pregnant in the photos and the date of the update was two/three months before me and him started meeting again.

I know essentially it doesn’t matter now but finding this out has been a shock and I’ve spent a while thinking he was such a great man that was in a tricky situation when now I am thinking fuck he was seeing me when he knew of all that? And then got nasty with me when I didn’t know what was going on. It doesn’t make any sense to me, he was always such a nice man.

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accentdusoleil · 13/11/2021 08:47

Urgh he's a lying toe rag and incapable of being honest and frank. Inside of owning up he blamed it on for haven't not changed

You've missed a bullet here . He sounds awful.

But very sad for you as he was obviously hiding his real self at the beginning. A manipulator.

You did nothing wrong . He is a wrong 'un

Daffodil
accentdusoleil · 13/11/2021 08:48

He got nasty because he was defensive and diffusing the situation from him . Classic

Block, delete and move on

Tuckyourpants · 13/11/2021 08:50

@accentdusoleil

Urgh he's a lying toe rag and incapable of being honest and frank. Inside of owning up he blamed it on for haven't not changed

You've missed a bullet here . He sounds awful.

But very sad for you as he was obviously hiding his real self at the beginning. A manipulator.

You did nothing wrong . He is a wrong 'un

Daffodil

@accentdusoleil I just can’t really believe it. He was always so sincere, or so it seemed.

He genuinely made me feel like I had made a huge mistake asking for some time apart and that I’d thrown away his love. At the very least I never thought he would be someone to be dishonest about something like that. He kept saying he’d only just found out but obviously that wasn’t true.

If he was planning on cutting me off all along why on earth did he even start seeing me again

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Tuckyourpants · 13/11/2021 08:52

He was always so great when we were together, vert attentive, caring, selfless. I just don’t understand it.

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LawnFever · 13/11/2021 08:54

He’s full of shit tbh, you’ve dodged a massive bullet here.

Trying to blame you is purely because he’s been caught out massively in all his lies.

Sorry you’ve been treated this way, but walk away, block and be glad at least you’re not tied to him like the poor woman who’s pregnant with his baby and obviously oblivious to what else he’s been up to.

Tuckyourpants · 13/11/2021 08:56

@LawnFever if you knew him though you’d never once think he’d do something like this.I just don’t know why he bothered seeing me again at all if he was going to get nasty about it later on. It’s so weird

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Jennalong · 13/11/2021 08:58

Try to look at it this way , at least you wasn't the pregnant one !

Tuckyourpants · 13/11/2021 09:05

He was thoughtful and caring in a way no man has ever been with me.

It doesn’t make sense at all that he would have done this

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MerryMarigold · 13/11/2021 09:07

Couple of options:

  1. He knew all along he'd go back to her but he fancied a relationship and sex whilst waiting.
  1. He knew all along about the pregnancy but didn't plan on being with her. Some thing has changed this and now he wants to give it a go for the sake of his child. But he felt too awful to be honest with you.

Only he knows the truth here, bit it doesn't really matter. He's led a double life in either of the options. If he cared about you, he should have told you from the start that he was having a baby. He sounds at best immature and at worst, very manipulative/ user. You are blessed to be rid and as a PP said, that you're not pregnant with him. A lifetime attached to such a man through your child is not something I'd be pining over.

BruiserWoods · 13/11/2021 09:09

Eugh, he just feels so entitled to deceive you. The evidence is public and he's still lying.

Total love bomber. It's sincere in the moment in that he sincerely wants what he says to have the desired effect.

THANK GOD IT'S NOT YOU PREGNANT Wine

This woman is stuck with a love bombing liar who feels entitled to deceive at least two women.

Tuckyourpants · 13/11/2021 09:10

Thanks I know it doesn’t matter in the sense that he’s clearly lied but wow it just doesn’t at all match who I thought he was - caring, kind, loyal, thoughtful. Just makes my head spin

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BruiserWoods · 13/11/2021 09:11

''He was thoughtful and caring in a way no man has ever been with me.''

You asked him for a bit of space and he wasn't thoughtful enough to give you space. He drama kinged it to suit his own needs/manipulate you. That's not caring or thoughtful.

xx

MamDancer · 13/11/2021 09:12

OP there must be thousands of posts here now from wives/partners/girlfriends who have been blindsided by their partner's lies and infidelities. "He was the last person I expected to do this" etc.

Be thankful you found out early.

Tuckyourpants · 13/11/2021 09:13

@BruiserWoods I guess so.

@MamDancer yes I know, it doesn’t make it less shocking and confusing though

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BruiserWoods · 13/11/2021 09:18

@Tuckyourpants

Thanks I know it doesn’t matter in the sense that he’s clearly lied but wow it just doesn’t at all match who I thought he was - caring, kind, loyal, thoughtful. Just makes my head spin
I was taken in by one of these love bombers too. They are a vacuum inside, so what they say, it is in its own way sincere in the moment. They sincerely need to believe what they say. They sincerely need you to believe that they mean what they say.

But then, something small happens, you discover something about them and you slightly alter your perception of them and you go from being a soothing mirror reflecting back their idealised rosy perception of themselves to a judging presence (they feel). And because they can never sit with an uncomfortable thought, and because they can never self-reflect, they deal with that by devaluing you. You are critical! You judge them! how dare you! They are perfect!

Yummypumpkin · 13/11/2021 09:26

OP there is a lot of "no human being ever would have foreseen this" to your posts.

You are insistent that this news was completely a huge change in his character.

I'm going to suggest that whilst his lies are his fault, not yours, you think about what behaviours you need to establish trust. You keep mentioning "kind and attentive and sincere"...what about transparent, with a strong moral.code, self reflective, actively interested in his personal development etc etc

And think about what you want from a relationship and why you ignored red flags to get the illusion of one.

When we are swept off our feet and the rug is pulled from under us, it can be a good chance to examine some of our core beliefs.

That said, my sympathies.

Tuckyourpants · 13/11/2021 09:36

@Yummypumpkin well I guess I would assume most people wouldn’t do that, then least of all him. I thought he did have those values.

I cannot get my head around why he’d even bother talking and meeting me. What was the point, to trial us out while he had a woman who thought she was in a relationship with him?! It’s crazy. And honestly so so unlike him if you knew him.

He’s the last person I’d ever have thought would have done that.

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awesomekilick · 13/11/2021 09:42

"So unlike him if you knew him". Oh OP you sound so naive.

Do you honestly think the signs were not there, had you but looked and seen them? He was not a keeper from the start - harassing you with messages, getting the hump... "a break is a break up". For god sake wise up. Shitty men don't behave in a shitty manner all the time, shitty men can be very compelling with words when it suits them, promises are free, it's always worth a punt for the chance of a fuck for some of them.

Yummypumpkin · 13/11/2021 09:49

I think this is him. I think you didn't know him as well as you claim / thought you did.

There's a horrible truth that people behave in selfish ways for all sorts of psychological payback. This seems fairly clearcut: he wanted sex and company while his girlfriend was overseas. No big mystery.

It is great that you and your friends and family would never act like this, but there are LOTS of people out there who will lie and cheat to get what they want. So I am suggesting that for your own sake you consider this.

Why did he do it? Because he got something out of it, because he reckoned there would be minimal consequences for him and because he loved you like cake...for the pleasure he got from you, not ever considering your needs.

Yummypumpkin · 13/11/2021 09:55

Just to be clear OP i write as someone who has been fooled and duped and I intend kindly...accepting that something we see as a positive in ourselves...our trusting essence...can deliberately be targeted and used for even a small gain (a night of sex, an ego boost, entertainment) when our heart is breaking is a very harsh truth.

I am drawing your attention to it because I don't want you to get hurt again.

What did friends and family think if him? What sort of people did he choose as friends? What was his attitude to minor dishonesty, eg being given too much change in a shop, which celebrities or politicians did he admire and what was their personal conduct? Maybe in some of this you can see you didn't lose a great guy, just an illusion.

Steamedhams · 13/11/2021 10:05

There are a few things you have mentioned which are red flags to me, particularly about your approach to this person. You seem very love struck over someone who has been quite unkind to you. The excuses you are making to justify why he may be a good person are alarming. I don't mean to upset you here BTW. It may be worth getting a little counselling as I worry you may be prone to predatory males in future. It is a typical MO for abusers to be delightful one minute and scuzzy the next.

As others have said you have dodged a major bullet here. Don't make excuses for the behaviour of others. They tell the truth and are respectful, or they are not worth your very precious time.

Good luck OP

LakesideView · 13/11/2021 10:45

Based on what you’ve said, I highly recommend you do The Freedom Programme online. It’s only about £15 and it’ll open your eyes to certain behaviours and help you identify red flags earlier.

Youknownothingsnow · 13/11/2021 11:50

Yes, you can retrospectively add people to posts or add relationship updates retrospectively on FB.

But… does it really matter? He has chosen to go with this other woman and you can it around wondering why he did what he did and all that but the truth is you’ll never know. The only thing you can do is chalk it up to experience and work on yourself. Good luck!

honeylulu · 13/11/2021 12:01

I cannot get my head around why he’d even bother talking and meeting me

Sadly the answer is in one of your earlier posts. He had started a relationship with this woman and she was pregnant. But lockdown rules meant there was a period of several months when he couldn't see her in person. He didn't want to go all that time without affection and sex so he gave you a call. You played that role until she was able to get a flight and then, boom, you were surplus to requirements.

It's horrible and he's an utter shit but that's probably how it is.

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