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I love him but as a friend

41 replies

theDilemma · 09/11/2021 00:13

Married for 18 years with two DCs,17 and 12.
I love him dearly and can't imagine not having him in my life. He is my best friend, but not the right partner for me. Not strong enough for me, a streak of laziness, not ambitious enough, never feel he deserves things. I constantly feel that he slows me down and I have to pick up the heavy lifting. He suffers from confidence issues and I know exactly why, and how his past shaped who he is today. I have huge empathy but unconsciously it also makes him unattractive to me. We hardly have sex. I have developed zero interest for the past 2 years. I feel as something is growing on me, this recognition that we are actually not meant to be a couple despite generally enjoy spending time together. Just good friends.
We love our DCs deeply and care for them. We are good parents, together, and he is a wonderful Dad.
I imagine life with someone else which is energetic, successful, fight for himself and his family, protective, assertive, proactive. Boosting of confidence.
But I want him too, caring, lots of patience, gentle, wants to make me happy, respectful of my freedom, accepts me as I am.
He is wonderful in lots of different ways, yet I don't feel happy in this relationship.
I'm struggling what to do. (I know we can try counselling but have other priorities right now in the MH front such as Ds MH issues and much needed therapy for myself)
Please help me see what I can't, the way to leave or to stay. 🙏🙏

OP posts:
category12 · 09/11/2021 18:28

We both work way too hard and long hours. I love my job but it leaves me no time for anything else. He doesn't like his job and have very low motivation to change and low confidence to market itself upwards. It's the typical rat race of a busy family. We have a huge mortgage, one child in a private school and one child with very challenging behaviour. Im in a state of feel anxiety most of the time. It's hard to deal with it all.

This is your problem, really - sort other aspects of your life out and you might both have more energy and enthusiasm for life.

It sounds like his mental health perhaps should go up in the priority list for professional help.

If you're so stretched by your mortgage and private school that you're both working excessive hours, perhaps you should downsize and get something more affordable.

Divorce rarely makes someone better off.

category12 · 09/11/2021 18:29

Financially, I mean.

category12 · 09/11/2021 18:30

It did me, but my ex was a waster.

Dobermansdinner · 09/11/2021 19:15

Having been married multiple times myself, I can assure you that what you are feeling is perfectly normal...The only reason I left my previous husbands was because they were very abusive - I am now married to a smart, funny, considerate man for 7 years, and I have had some of those same old feeling again, but realize that the " infatuation" I felt when we first got together never lasts with ANY partner. You should take some time to think about what is important in the long haul (loyalty, honesty, etc) and if your husband gives you these things, then do all you can to stay with him. Good men are hard to find, so hang on to your gold mine! As for the "attraction" issue, talk to him about it and maybe the two of you can do something to spice things up a bit...hope this helps

IsThePopeCatholic · 09/11/2021 19:22

You need to get a grip, op. The kind of man you think you want is the kind of man that so many women on MN are complaining about. After the initial thrill, they are left with a man who is egotistical , doesn’t show love or care, lacks empathy, cheats, and eventually buggers off with another woman. Think carefully before you do anything drastic. Being with the same person for years can be boring, but your dh sounds caring and kind, and that’s so important.

lokabrenna · 09/11/2021 19:30

I sometimes think I’m this person in the relationship, I’m the sensible boring one, and the pressure to satisfy my other half has drained me over the years.

You need to talk this through, but be prepared for him to say he agrees, he can’t give you what you need anymore.

Dobermansdinner · 09/11/2021 19:32

I must say, I’m really heartened by the honest, caring responses abdicating the OP to cherish her kind and caring husband and find excitement in her marriage. I was half expecting “leave now… life’s too short to be unhappy…” blah, blah, blah

momtoboys · 09/11/2021 19:53

I could have written this post myself except we have been married 24 years, have 5 kids and haven't been intimate in almost 4 years. I guess if this is the rest of my life its not the worst thing. I'm also old.

Dery · 09/11/2021 20:01

"You need to get a grip, op. The kind of man you think you want is the kind of man that so many women on MN are complaining about. After the initial thrill, they are left with a man who is egotistical , doesn’t show love or care, lacks empathy, cheats, and eventually buggers off with another woman. Think carefully before you do anything drastic. Being with the same person for years can be boring, but your dh sounds caring and kind, and that’s so important."

This with bells on.

It really sounds like you're trying to run away from your life as it currently is, rather than specifically your husband. As @TatianaBis suggested, are there any practical steps you can take to ease the burden on you? No brooding, Byronesque hero is going to rescue you from this situation and believe me you wouldn't want him to if he could because the payoff would be huge and you'd soon be back on MN posting about how selfish/controlling/unfaithful he is.

Yogibearbum · 09/11/2021 20:06

God luck finding that man you want! Needle in haystack especially online! Your DH may not be the one for you but it’s no picnic if you do split up.

Opentooffers · 09/11/2021 20:17

It's an easy decision if at a point where would rather be on your own than with your DH. But you're actually fantasizing about being swept off your feet by someone else. It's a nice thought, but as a single working mother, for the last 14 years, I can say it's a rare find. A lot of available men are single for a reason, and not good ones - baggage &hangups galore. Sure I've had some fun times, but no serious prospects for long term. What's left just isn't that good mostly.

Sakurami · 09/11/2021 20:19

OP spend your energy trying to being a couple and doing fun things together. Date each other. Because you have something good and you won't want what you're asking for.

SGBK4682 · 09/11/2021 20:57

Glad you posted this as I feel similarly myself, though we have been together longer and been sexless for longer.

I regularly change my views over it. We parent well together and he's got better at pulling his weight round the house. We share similar views on most things. Sometimes I find him attractive still (but we haven't got far with rekindling our sex life though we have tried) and sometimes I don't. He isn't passive and takes the lead on things like holidays and home renovations, but he isn't as lively as I would like and I often feel bored by his conversation - the same topics get regurgitated endlessly. But if we go for a walk, say, we never stop talking throughout, so it's not like we have nothing to say to each other. He's kind and decent. I'd just like more passion, affection and spontaneity.

But I also know I can't really envisage a life ahead alone. I'd like my own space more but not to live as a single person. I'm quite old so can't imagine meeting someone new - well, I often imagine it but don't really believe it would happen!

I recently met up with an ex I've kept in touch with and have always had a bit of a thing about. I enjoyed his company and we had a good laugh but I found some of his views distasteful. He also made some criticisms of me, which reminded me it was something he has always done. DH never does that- he can be frank at times when I've messed up (as can I), but his comments are supportive in context, not said to be unpleasant or dismissive like my ex. It helped me realise the grass (should I find any!) is unlikely to be greener.

On a positive note, we have made a conscious effort to go out and do more together recently and that has helped me feel warmer towards him. So I'd recommend trying that approach before making any decision OP.

theDilemma · 11/11/2021 09:10

I am so grateful for all your thoughts and sharing. Its clear that the common view is ‘Stay calm and carry on’. Its so powerful to be told that by so many people. And I take note.

I also agree that spending more time together, alone (so no kids around), have the potential of waking up the senses.

And to be reminded of the ‘no picnic’ awaits on the other side, and that ‘Mr Big’ can be either too big to fit around, or so small he can not be found.. and that it’s better not to follow your heart at all the times. That’s good therapy for me.

I will hate to be alone, and the thought of diving into the rabbit hole of OLD is so daunting. I will likely avoid it ( as I have big issue with posting pictures of myself on line. Nothing to do with body image, i think I am too private for this kind of thing..).

So lets see where this all takes me. For now I’ve made a decision not to think about it for sometime. Or at least till after Christmas. Xx

OP posts:
Frankbutchersfangs · 12/11/2021 11:52

Glad you have come to this decision OP. Please check out conscious-transitions.com/ for more advice and guidance on the feelings you are having, which are perfectly normal after a long time with someone. The grass is always greener syndrome is a very common feeling, but the grass is never greener just has different shades.

Frankbutchersfangs · 12/11/2021 11:55

This is an Excerpt from the website on 'Grass is Greener' syndrome:

"When my grandparents got married in the 1930s, I’m quite certain neither one of them had the kind of engagement anxiety I see among people today. My grandmother did experience grief about leaving her mother and two sisters and the difficult feelings were displaced onto her wedding dress and veil (a mosquito net – so an understandable disappointment on her part!), but she didn’t spend a moment wondering if she was making the best possible choice or if she loved my grandfather enough or if he was her soul mate – or any of the other anxiety-based questions that wreak havoc on my clients’ minds. At the ripe old age of 21, she knew that it was time to marry. She had had a series of boyfriends in her teenage years so she knew what was out there. When my grandfather – who had grown up three miles away from her on a neighboring farm – asked her out, she said yes. Three months later they were married and a year after that my mother was born.

Why the lack of soul-wrenching anxiety? She knew he was a good egg. He was hard-working, honest, responsible, kind, and good-looking to boot. Having grown up in proximity to one another, there was a familiarity in terms of lifestyle, ethics, culture, and values. Having wondered if she was destined to be a spinster, she felt grateful that such a good man came along and wanted to marry her. Their marriage was far from perfect, but they loved each other for over sixty years and enjoyed a fine companionship, including shared interests, an extensive community of friends, and love of family and travel. In essence, they appreciated each other and never lost sight of how lucky they felt to have each other as their spouse.

When my clients wonder if their partner is the right match for them, it’s usually because they’re looking to “have it all.” Brainwashed by an unhealthy culture that inundates them with buzzwords like “the one”, “soul mates”, and phrases like “I just knew the moment I met him that I was meant to marry him,” when that sense of unwavering knowing is lacking, they understandably wonder if they’re with the right man. And when the engagement anxiety kicks in full force and causes them to nitpick their fiancé and put his or her every perceived flaw under a microscope, a downward spiral of focusing on what’s missing usually begins.

They start to look around at their friends’ relationships and wonder at what appears to be unilateral ease and bliss and passion. They reminisce about past boyfriends and long for the trait that he or she possessed that’s missing in the current husband or wife to be. In short, they become obsessed by the grass is always greener syndrome where everyone else’s relationship and their own past lovers are elevated to the status of perfection. And in so doing, they miss the wonderful man or woman that is standing before them, ready and available and wanting to forge a shared life. They’ve moved from appreciation and gratitude to negativity and criticism.

“Having it all” is a fantasy and the grass is always greener syndrome of comparison is a futile place to live. There is simply no such thing as the perfect partner. By extensive, there’s no such thing as the perfect job, the perfect place to live, or the perfect house. When I hear that a client is falling prey to the grass is always greener syndrome, I ask if they’ve found themselves in a similar place of obsessive comparisons regarding other aspects of their lives. They almost always respond affirmatively. One client recently said to me, “Not only do I compare my fiancé to other men, I’m always thinking about other places we could live and other jobs I could have. The truth is that I’m with a great guy and live in an adorable town and have a stable, good-paying job, and I’m missing it all.”

We live in a “you can have it all culture”, and no where is this message more pronounced than around the wedding and one’s choice of marriage partner. We’re indoctrinated to believe that we can and should have it all, and that anything less than perfection in a mate is settling. When I ask my clients to tell me about their partners, they almost invariably reply with some version of this: “He (or she) is kind, caring, responsible, loyal, honest, hard-working. We enjoy each other’s company and are attracted to each other. He’s my best friend and the person I want to be around most.” When I ask about any potential red-flag issues – abuse, addiction, betrayal, irreconcilable differences regarding core values or religion – the clients laughs and says, “Oh, no, nothing like that!” Do your parents and friends think you’re a good match? Yes. Is he or she someone who would make a good lifetime partner? Definitely. Hmmm… sounds like a far cry from settling to me. It sounds more like a bad case of the grass is always greener syndrome.

The antidote? Connect to and express appreciation and gratitude. One of the most common exercises I suggest to my clients is to write a love letter every day to their partner (to send or not). I ask them to write down all of the qualities they love and appreciate about their spouse-to-be, even if they’re not connecting to those positive qualities right now. I suggest that they actively express appreciation and gratitude to their partner every day either verbally or through writing. Appreciation and gratitude will automatically shift the person’s attention so that instead of focusing on the negative – what’s missing – they begin to focus on the positive and what’s working.

And then, instead of focusing on the fact that their fiancé doesn’t make the best conversation over breakfast in the morning, she focuses on the fact that he does make a delicious breakfast. And instead of focusing with hawk-like attention on the fact that her fiancé isn’t the funniest guy at the party (unlike her previous boyfriend), she focuses on the fact that he’s always looking out for her, opening both the door and his heart for her (unlike her previous boyfriend, who always seemed to have one foot out the door). Through attention to what’s working, she remembers all of the reasons why she chose this great guy in the first place. And at least one prong of her engagement anxiety begins to loosen its hold on her mind so she can begin to enjoy her partner and look forward to her wedding and marriage with excitement. It’s what your grandmother would have wanted"

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