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Round in circles about leaving DH

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user6869848649 · 31/10/2021 22:02

I'm married. DH and I have been together for 15 years. Every day I change my mind from wanting to leave him, to loving him so much I can't imagine why I would ever want to leave. This happens multiple times a day sometimes.

Our marriage isn't awful - no cheating or massive issues like that. Just lots of low level feeling taken for granted, second best, awful sex, etc. I'm very, very fed up with how monotonous our relationship is. We've sat watching TV all day today for example, I'm so bored. Also, he can be a bit harsh sometimes, I think he's trying to be funny but for example we went to a Halloween party at my friends house yesterday and he said something so mean to her and I felt so angry, but I never really said anything or pulled him up on it properly, if I do it leads to massive rows later (or it has in the past). I feel like I hold my tongue a lot to keep the peace.

I'm under no illusions that the grass is always greener. I think I would miss him terribly if we split and I've never really been single. But I also wonder if I would feel free too? I don't think I would meet someone "better" than him because in a lot of ways he's great. But I would love to know what good sex feels like. I would love to know what it feels like to have someone cook me my tea. I would love to spend Sunday's just going out and pottering around with someone or for a pub lunch or a walk and a pint. Anything really.

I've felt like this for a long time now, and I've been having counselling but it hasn't given me any clarity. I just go round and round, should I or shouldn't I?

How do you make that decision? Has anyone been in a similar position and if so what was the deciding moment for you?

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user6869848649 · 02/11/2021 09:28

@earthsight yes, you should definitely consider sharing your writing! What you've written is so professional, I assumed it was an excerpt from somewhere!

I'm almost slightly worried that you know us in real life because what you've wrote is so accurate. I have stopped complaining about work, because if I do he says that he's doing all this for me, and I feel really guilty about it, it shuts anything I have to say down. He also says that every spare minute he does have he spends with me, which is true in a way. He is physically there but his mind is on work and he doesn't want to do anything.

I have nothing against watching TV, it's fine in general. It's just all we seem to do. I think on an evening it's more like I would like help with clearing up after dinner and walking the dog before he watches TV. Same on a weekend really, I love watching a boxset on a Sunday but it's to the detriment of other things, of me having to do everything in the house on my own. Sunday jobs like cutting the hedge or doing a bit of DIY or mowing the lawn all have to be done by me. Our house is a bit of a mess because I work full time as well, it's about 80% renovated and I get done what I can but I can't do everything on my own and I get overwhelmed having to decide everything all the time.

Having written this reply to you, I think it's less about watching TV as such and more about feeling like I have to do everything on my own all the time. I needed DH to come with me to Next once to pick up an armchair that I'd bought ex-display and couldn't get on my own. He was so annoyed by it, complained the whole way there and was really grumpy. When we got into the shop, we bumped into my friend and she was there with her partner and they had gone to choose a rug together because they'd recently redecorated their living room, then they were going to go for lunch and I was just so jealous. I feel like that's just a normal day for most people, my parents used to do things like that when I was growing up, there was nothing really special about it and yet there was too? I don't know if that makes any sense. Just normal life.

If I saw him happy with another woman one day, I probably wouldn't believe it. I probably look happy from the outside when we're together but I would know what she would be having to deal with on the other side.

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user6869848649 · 02/11/2021 09:37

@melusleenia that's a similar timescale to me. I have noticed though, at first there was longer periods of not wanting to leave and over time they've gotten smaller and smaller. It would be months at a time where I wouldn't want to leave, then weeks, then days and now it's hours/minutes.

I haven't really tried to leave before. I don't think I'm being abused. I've looked at places I could move to, and sent a couple of enquiries. Or I know I could stay with my parents or a friend. I've packed a bag a couple of times when I was almost sure I was going to leave but ended up changing my mind.

7 times is interesting, I wonder why it's so many? Can I ask what was the final straw for you that made the time you left different?

And no, there are no children involved.

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19Bears · 02/11/2021 11:58

@user6869848649 I would love to know what it feels like to have someone cook me my tea.

Me too. So much. Yes, I'd like the sex, but to have someone make my tea?? Dh hasn't cooked once for me in 15 years. I think I would weep with joy. Of course, whoever did make my tea would then get the bj of their lives, I'd be so grateful! Why do these lazy men not get this?! It really doesn't take much effort to get the sex life of their dreams!!!! But lie on the sofa night after night with their belly hanging out while you do all the work? Guess what, it's not happening!! Argh!!!
I know exactly what you mean, you get moments of clarity on your own where you know 100% you do not want this half existence for the rest of your life, and you know exactly what you want to say, but then they're in front of you and your mind goes blank, you forget everything that's made you feel like this, and you go back to plodding on. This was me last night (and every bloody night) when I came home and he was flat out on the sofa asleep in front of his mind numbingly boring football youtube channels, kids come rushing to me saying they're bored and asking if we can go out for a run / bike ride (bearing in mind this is 9.30pm after my weekly pilates class + being at work all day and doing school runs) His total input was to say to my youngest, "don't forget your helmet." I felt like kicking him, or just packing a bag for him and throwing him out. His halloween all-nighter at the cinema on saturday night had obviously caught up with him, poor thing. Coincidentally that same night he was out, I was at my brother's house trying to bring him round from having a cluster of epileptic seizures, clearing up after he dropped all his medication everywhere, emptying his bins etc, and didn't get home til 1am, having had to leave the kids at my mam's house. But I still take the kids out for their night time run / bike ride.
But no matter how many times this happens, I still think it's not bad enough to kick him out. Add to that 10 years without sex, and it would seem absolute lunacy to stick with it. Why can't I do it?????

EarthSight · 02/11/2021 21:26

[quote user6869848649]@earthsight yes, you should definitely consider sharing your writing! What you've written is so professional, I assumed it was an excerpt from somewhere!

I'm almost slightly worried that you know us in real life because what you've wrote is so accurate. I have stopped complaining about work, because if I do he says that he's doing all this for me, and I feel really guilty about it, it shuts anything I have to say down. He also says that every spare minute he does have he spends with me, which is true in a way. He is physically there but his mind is on work and he doesn't want to do anything.

I have nothing against watching TV, it's fine in general. It's just all we seem to do. I think on an evening it's more like I would like help with clearing up after dinner and walking the dog before he watches TV. Same on a weekend really, I love watching a boxset on a Sunday but it's to the detriment of other things, of me having to do everything in the house on my own. Sunday jobs like cutting the hedge or doing a bit of DIY or mowing the lawn all have to be done by me. Our house is a bit of a mess because I work full time as well, it's about 80% renovated and I get done what I can but I can't do everything on my own and I get overwhelmed having to decide everything all the time.

Having written this reply to you, I think it's less about watching TV as such and more about feeling like I have to do everything on my own all the time. I needed DH to come with me to Next once to pick up an armchair that I'd bought ex-display and couldn't get on my own. He was so annoyed by it, complained the whole way there and was really grumpy. When we got into the shop, we bumped into my friend and she was there with her partner and they had gone to choose a rug together because they'd recently redecorated their living room, then they were going to go for lunch and I was just so jealous. I feel like that's just a normal day for most people, my parents used to do things like that when I was growing up, there was nothing really special about it and yet there was too? I don't know if that makes any sense. Just normal life.

If I saw him happy with another woman one day, I probably wouldn't believe it. I probably look happy from the outside when we're together but I would know what she would be having to deal with on the other side.[/quote]
I'm almost slightly worried that you know us in real life because what you've wrote is so accurate

Ok now I definitely have to take-up writing haha Grin I haven't done so far because of various reasons but it's on my to-do list.

If it's that accurate, that just shows you how these things run in such strong patterns.

Either he's lying, or there is something compulsive about his work habits that he simply doesn't want to address. Some people also don't multiple things very well. They're either 'On' (at work, full steam ahead, stressing) or 'Off' (zoning out in front of a TV, gaming, totally absorbed in their own world, mentally absent). I'm not sure if those people think like the rest of us do. I think they find comfort or simplicity in having that kind of work/not working dualism. It means they don't have to think about other complexities which they might find stressful.

Most of us think a bit like this -

work, home, relax, have a walk around the neighbourhood with loved one
work, home, relax, read a book, call relative
work, home, relax, do some cleaning/diy, watch TV with loved one
work, home, take the pets to the vet, go out with friend
work, home, plan holidays next year, pay bills, research things about new hobby

But some people think like this -

work, home
work, home
work, home
work, home
work, home

There's a simplicity in that, but like I said, some just do it to escape their wives whilst earning brownie points for being the hardworking hero.

He was so annoyed by it, complained the whole way there and was really grumpy.

He might want to disappear into his own world and disengage from his external environment, so choosing a sofa (external environment) was the last thing he wanted to do, especially if he had any work to do. Sometimes it's difficult to tell if someone is just displeased or if they're being grumpy and difficult to punish you so you stop asking them for things.

Is he stingy with his help? Does he generally make you feel like you're an inconvenience when you ask for help with really basic things that wouldn't even register on other people's radar? Huffing, sighing, silences, being short-tempered, making you feel like you shouldn't 'bothering' him (like he's a fucking CEO of a company and you, the lowly, part-time admin assistant shouldn't be calling him about such trifling, mundane matters that you really should be able to cope on your own with)? Does he always make you feel like he is the last person you should approach for help with anything, instead of being the first line of support? That you feel you have to ask him pretty-please-with-sugar-on-top when you do and makes you feel like joint tasks are more like your tasks that he has to 'help' you with (poor man)?

EarthSight · 02/11/2021 21:40

When I said 'work, home, work, home' what I meant it that their way of thinking doesn't allow for much complexity or unpredictability.

A huge chunk of their mental space is occupied by work and then when they get home there isn't much space for much else. Even if they could make space for something else, they wouldn't necessarily want to because it would mean they would have to operate on a more complex level that that not natural or comfortable for them. Even better if they get to complain about or it means they get to escape their wives.

Maybe I'm overcomplicating this though. I'm not editing well this evening because I'm tired. This is almost stream-of-thought writing.

user6869848649 · 04/11/2021 21:33

@EarthSight yes, you're right with basically everything again.

He doesn't do a thing around the house, I think he thinks it's beneath him. The CEO / PA dynamic is very real in our house. If he needs help I'm to drop everything and help straight away but it's difficult to get any help the other way round, even if I outright ask and he says yes it'll never get done, or it's such a hassle I just do it myself and don't ask next time. I was struggling to stay on top of the housework after an injury for about a month and everything was a bit of a mess, I could only do basic necessities because of pain and he begrudgingly said "I'll help you get it sorted", emphasis on the you, like he was a Prince begrudgingly offering a starving mouse a crumb of his sandwich. It's half his mess! And he didn't help in the end.

I hate that I've fallen into this dynamic, I always promised myself I wouldn't be like this and I feel like it's crept up on me but now I know I can't unknow it.

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user6869848649 · 04/11/2021 21:34

@19Bears I don't know why we can't, it's so shit isn't it. It seems so clear written down but in real life it seems like the most impossible thing to do.

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freeatlast2021 · 04/11/2021 21:38

But it is not. It is very possible and you will do it when you are ready. Just hang it there.

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