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How to deal with not being believed again [LONG!]

24 replies

Gingembre · 24/10/2021 17:14

I've been in a relationship for 13 years, married for 10. I came from an abusive (physically and emotionally) single parent family, which is only relevant because it made the relationship behaviour totally normal behaviour for me.

DH (less of the D, but using it for short) appeared to take care of me when we met, and later. A friend said "It's like he's just scooped you up". I had to conform though. He would want me to go to bed - sleep, not sex - with him (when I wasn't tired) and he'd get sad if I didn't. He wanted me to eat certain foods and would get upset if I ate unhealthy things (I was fit, health-conscious and slim but I'd allow myself cakes at times). When I say "upset" I mean sad and hurt, puppy-dog eyes and hurt voice. He was never aggressive or threatening.

Over time, I used to say that I was allowed to think or do anything, as long as he agreed to/with it or understood it.

He withheld sex for long periods of time (months) because he said he didn't feel able to be intimate with me when I was not greeting him properly when he came home, for example. Again, said in a sad way. And he'd say that he wanted sex, he just couldn't while I didn't make him feel welcome etc. I was working when he got home and would finish what I was doing before getting up. I'd say hello though, but I'd stay sitting.

He would also do things like walk out of the room when I talked - literally just turn his back and walk out while I was mid-sentence talking to him like he was stone deaf. He'd talk over me like I literally wasn't talking, starting a new topic. He'd deny having conversations with me. He was very socially awkward, especially with new people.

It turned out he had Aspergers (on the autism spectrum nowadays). This diagnosis came from a clinical psychologist.

What happened then was that a lot of these behaviours were seen as a manifestation of his need to control his situation because he was working in fast-paced, risky environments, abroad. I had a few therapists myself and each agreed that these behaviours were in no way abusive, they were just manifestations of his condition. The fact that once he was diagnosed he made zero attempt to understand why I might see things differently or to understand his way of thinking/condition wasn't ever a factor. He had a condition and I was "NT" so I needed to adapt to him. By the time of the diagnosis there was virtually nothing else to adapt; there was little of me left.

There were issues with finances too, where his father was on our joint bank account so could see all my spending. I wasn't able to work due to international relocations and pregnancies, and his income would come in our joint account..which I had no direct access to for a very long time because it was in another country and I didn't understand the language. It felt humiliating but whenever I tried to discuss it, he ignored me or told me I was making a problem where there wasn't one, attacking him for no reason, being unfair to him or deliberately thinking badly of him.

I had my own issues relating to previous trauma so I went to trauma therapy and took responsibility of getting over them. After revisiting some of the most awful things in my life through EMDR, I wasn't allowed to be down at home, because he didn't like it if I wasn't "normal". I couldn't even mention the sessions. I just had to pretend nothing was happening. I wasn't allowed to be too happy about things either. I had to stay in a narrow bandwidth of emotion so he wouldn't get irritated.

He wouldn't hug me unless I asked, and would let go asap. I got pregnant twice and in each pregnancy he barely touched me - I mean literally, in the second pregnancy he touched my belly once before 8 months.

And this gets to the next part. ALL these behaviours have been behind closed doors. EVERYBODY thinks he's the nicest guy. So kind, taken care of me, supported me. None of the people who know about the diagnosis were shocked by it, they'd noticed some socially odd behaviours, but nothing controlling. When he touched my belly at 8 months in that second pregnancy, it was at dinner with four of his friends and done very overtly. I actually jumped from the shock of it and I had some kind of shocked face. One of them told me later that they were amazed he put up with me being so horrible to him, because he wouldn't have stayed with someone who treated him the way I do DH. It has looked like I was disgusted, not shocked, apparently.

There is a whole lot more, much of which involves gaslighting and more withdrawal of affection abd absolutely zero empathy for me when I've gone through hard things and being exceptionally careful with my tone of voice and choice of words, belittling me directly and to others (with more subtlety) and refusing me access to childcare so I could study more quickly.

All this time I've been told his behaviour isn't abusive, it's a symptom of his condition. What that means is that if I have a response to it as though I was suffering from abusive behaviours, that there's something wrong with me. I've also been called "ablest" for complaining about how hard I found it.

Over time I've become a shell of who I was. I've lost all my confidence, most of my friends, I've put on a lot of weight, I've extremely unfit. I don't trust my judgement on a lot of things and I feel that there's no point in being alive, other than protecting my kids (I'm not actively suicidal, I just have no life really).

As we've moved a few times, nobody I'm around now knows the bright, courageous, energetic person I used to be.

A week ago a different therapist told me DH has controlling behaviours and she believes that he's been controlling all aspects of my life. Nobody has ever said that before, but I realised it's true. There's no area of my life he hasn't been controlling at some point - admittedly the focus of which area shifts over time.

I have told a couple of good friends this. That regardless of why he's behaving the way he is, he's been controlling me and still is and it's been very damaging to me. The response has been "yeah, but he can't help it".

Honestly, it's been hard enough to deal with the fact that few people can believe that anybody walks away from you while you're talking on a consistent basis, never mind how that makes you feel, year after year. Nor that he wouldn't touch me and wouldn't have sex with me, wouldn't ask how I was and wouldn't take care of me when I was ill (literally not even an offer of a glass of water when I was in bed for 2 weeks), because he's always so attentive to others. But I came to terms with it. I don't know how I can deal with the few people who did believe me now not believing that his behaviour can be called "controlling" or that it could have basically broken me. It's SO lonely in my home and it's lonely in a world where nobody believes that he's so different at home. I don't want to feel even more lonely in this.

[A little disclaimer is that I'm not wallowing in self-pity here, as soon as I was told there was a name for the behaviours I've been reading about it and the patterns fit like a glove - which is helpful because it helps know that I'm not crazy and helps me figure out how to move on.]

OP posts:
Gingembre · 24/10/2021 17:16

Sorry that was so long - I think I'm worried nobody reading this will believe me either so over explained.

OP posts:
Footle · 24/10/2021 17:22

I feel your panic and claustrophobia just reading this. I believe you.

layladomino · 24/10/2021 17:26

I believe you. And I think that any true friend who heard or read your words would believe you.

Have you hidden these issues from your friends, so that when you do mention it they jump in to reassure you - and themselves - that all is OK, thus mininiming the problem and making you feel worse?

It doesn't matter what people think anyway. You need to be away from this man as he is abusive and very damaging to your wellbeing. He makes you miserable. He is selfish. He thinks your life should revolve around his.

Any friend who judges you for being unhappy and wanting to leave was never a friend in the first place.

Sparklfairy · 24/10/2021 17:26

Do you need to be 'believed'? In your position I would do my absolute best to distance myself emotionally from all of them, and not care whether they believe me or not. It's rather liberating to know you know the truth and give no fucks about the opinions of others.

Nowhere near your experience, but I have an ex who is adored by everyone he meets. Behind closed doors, to me, he was an abusive arse and no one ever knew. When I finally left him he bad mouthed me to the entire (small) town where he was very well known as he worked in the local pub on the weekend. I didn't do anything wrong, but my name was mud locally. I made the decision not to care. My 'friends' weren't friends at all and I didn't need them in my life.

I assume you're leaving him? Can you look at this as a fresh start, possibly move away?

BitchyHen · 24/10/2021 17:26

I believe you. I agree with your new therapist that h is abusive. Your h doesn't seem to accept that you are a real person with your own thoughts and feelings. Aspergers may explain why he finds this difficult, but the way he reacts to you stepping out of line is abusive. If he didn't understand why you reacted a certain way and asked you to explain, that would be fine. But ignoring and withholding affection is emotional abuse.

Blueuggboots · 24/10/2021 17:27

That sounds hideous.
My dad was abusive to my mum - withdrawing affection, silence etc and she often blamed his depression for it. I always pointed out that it was still abusive despite the cause, and I think that about your situation too.

billy1966 · 24/10/2021 17:27

I certainly believe you.

What an absolute horror story.

What ages are your children?

Do you plan on leaving this hell?

Hadalifeonce · 24/10/2021 17:31

I am so sorry you have been going through this for so long; not only his controlling, but the face that you have not been believed.

Are you able to consider leaving him? Or can your counsellor help you find the courage to stand up for yourself, and find the old you somewhere inside yourself?

Other people with his diagnosis manage to live lives with partners without making their lives a misery.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/10/2021 17:40

I believe you @Gingembre.❤

StormTreader · 24/10/2021 17:51

The thing is, just because someone has one "thing", it doesn't automatically mean they don't have any others.
He can have Aspergers AND be a controlling person, in the same way someone can be physically disabled but also an asshole.

Even if this extreme control and thoughtlessness is all because of Aspergers, that doesn't mean you're obliged to tolerate it or stay with him.

IhaveaBigBum · 24/10/2021 18:03

Reading this made me feel anxious. I have an ex who used to do some of these things, especially walking away while you are talking to him which used to make me feel small and humiliated.
It doesn't matter why he is doing it, the fact is he IS doing it and the effect it's having on you is slowly chipping away at you. Death by a thousand cuts... please leave.

Blue4YOU · 24/10/2021 18:12

OP
You owe this man nothing.
Look - he Mack not abuse other people. He can play nice when he’s out doing whatever worlds he’s involved in.
But he just abuses you.
Perhaps the clinical psychologist got it wrong, maybe not.
But he is deliberately controlling and abusing you.
I’ve been through something very similar (almost all of the behaviours you describe including the non touching in pregnancy) and I am left cold by what you say re other people. Fuck them. They can marry him if he’s so wonderful

Blue4YOU · 24/10/2021 18:12

Mack?? Doesn’t

Chrysanthemum5 · 24/10/2021 18:19

That sounds like my ex husband. Everyone thought I was so lucky as he did everything but actually it was just incredibly controlling. He wanted to control every aspect of my life.

In the end I read something about if you look back in 5 years time and how your life is today is as good as it gets - is that enough. And I knew it wasn't.

When I started to stand up for myself (buying an item of clothing he didn't like, not eating something he wanted me to eat etc) he left me. And I knew all I had to do was not let him back into my life and I could get strong again.

It was awful at first. He'd done everything so I didn't know how to be an adult. I remember crying because the gas bill arrived and I didn't know how to pay it - but then I remembered that I'd paid bills before I met him so there must be a way to do it. And I turned it over and saw I could send a cheque. It sounds insane but that was the point I was at.

It took time but I got back to being me again and I'm glad I got away from him

romdowa · 24/10/2021 18:24

I'm autistic and I believe you 100%. He is abusive and is using his diagnosis as an excuse to do so. You do not have to adapt just because you are nt and a refusal to adapt is not abelist 🙄🙄🙄 I hope you can manage to get away from this abusive asshole.

Mojoj · 24/10/2021 18:26

Time to leave. And be you again. Good luck!!

Thefuturestory · 24/10/2021 18:30

I believe you. I also suspect his diagnosis is something he uses to mask his abuse of you.

You need to worry let about others believing you though and more about action to get yourself out of this.

You deserve more in life. So much more

picklemewalnuts · 24/10/2021 18:35

I believe you. I can also believe he has no idea how damaging his behaviour is. DH is so sure that what he knows and experiences is true, he can't imagine someone else could make a different choice in a situation. It's taken years to get him to consider me. And he still struggles.

The difference being your husband doesn't seem at all interested in trying. He's arranging things to suit him, and you are one of those things. He doesn't care that you think and feel differently. It's irrelevant to him.

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HeyDugeesCakeBadge · 24/10/2021 18:41

I believe you OP. Men like this don't show the world what they are like because they are abusive. He is using his autism diagnosis as a tool to continue to abuse and get away with it. Please leave OP, life can be so much better. Leave to show your children that you can be happy!

Shoxfordian · 24/10/2021 18:41

I believe you as well
He’s controlling and abusive

Gingembre · 24/10/2021 18:46

Wow! I had to step away after I first read your replies because I was so emotional. I also didn't think anybody would get to the end of that OP so thank you.

To answer some questions. Yes I am trying to leave him. It's another difficult area though because basically he has refused to leave the house (by just side stepping, saying he needs time to get his head around it, blaming me etc - not actively refusing). It seems he will this summer. The thing is I have nowhere to go, we're abroad, and I can't leave the country with the kids without his permission anyway. Rents around here are unmanageable on regular wages and so even if I got a job I couldn't rent somewhere. The wait for social housing is 10+ years. We actually moved and I massively downsized so he could get a second place, but didn't. He moved in here and there was nothing I could do. He's basically exploited the fact that we're immigrants and I'm reliant on him. Our marriage contract is very complicated because it involves two legal systems and this further means I can't just divorce him the way I could if it was under one legal system. Again, he knows this. Brexit also had a part to play because I was attached to his visa so if I divorced, for a long time there was no guarantee I could actually stay here, even though the kids were here. He's actually told me that he can't divorce me before summer 2022 because he needs me to do the childcare until then. Apparently after that point he's going to work abroad, but we'll see. I've spoken to lawyers and to immigration about this too and they've all been in agreement about how he needs to be on board for this divorce in our particular (peculiar) circumstances.

I wasn't even allowed to mention the word "divorce" for 3 years after I'd told him it was happening (thinking I could just file and that would be it). He'd get really shitty with me. I told him in a therapy session in March 2016. He kind of ignored me and the therapist (the clinical psychologist who diagnosed him) went through it with him to make sure he'd understood what I'd just said. Not that I was remotely ambiguous, but I was very emotional - too emotional for him.

Part of me wants to say everything that's been going on, but there's also a voice in my head that says "Why didn't you just leave?" and "Why did you put up with that if it was that bad?" "It can't really be that bad because if it was you wouldn't have stayed, you're exaggerating." etc. It's a really humiliating situation to be in so while I want to get it off my chest I also feel that everything I'm saying is just humiliating myself further. I feel really stupid. The thing is that I never considered that this could happen. Any if it. I really believed when we got married he loved me, I believed when I said the marriage was over and I wanted a divorce that that's what would happen. Id never heard of someone just not moving out FOR YEARS and the unhappy partner unable to get him out. Hindsight is a great thing.

Ironically too, if he hit me, just once, I could go to the police and I'd have a chance of getting him out or moving to the top of the social housing list. He's not violent to me though (and I don't want to be hit!!).

The kids are older primary age. They speak the language here so they're fine in that sense (unlike me although I am learning!).

As for why I care what people think..I have previously not cared abd lived my life. But I think after all these years of being dismissed by him and ignored and not believed or trusted, when other people don't believe me it feels very damaging. I have a hard time believing my own thoughts and feelings about this sometimes, so if other people don't believe me its like a confirmation that what he's told me about me making problems out of nothing etc, are correct. Besides, I really don't have that many friends around me. I have a brother who lives in New Zealand and a mother who in NC with because she's similar to him (but she was physically abusive too and a true narcissist). I've been so occupied with just surviving each day and being what the kids need that I've not had time to make a lot of friends here. So its not like if I ignore them I can talk to someone else: there is nobody other than those few friends.

My life has gone from being quite incredible with me feeling like I could achieve anything I wanted, if I worked enough at the right thing, to pretty pathetic.

OP posts:
AuntMasha · 24/10/2021 18:46

I believe you too, OP.

I grew up with a high functioning Asperger’s father — he struggled with expressing emotion but he certainly didn’t behave in a controlling, abusive, cold way. 💐

picklemewalnuts · 24/10/2021 18:58

Your upbringing prepared you to live with a man who didn't consider your needs.

You can stay married to him and simply quietly rebel. You can be non compliant. You can gather the information you need, get yourself in as strong a position as possible.

Your distress is to do with wanting his love, approval, and a relationship. When you accept he's simply a reluctant house mate, father of your dc, and a bloke you have to put up with until your circumstances change, you won't mind as much.

It really does get easier when you taylor your expectations. It's the disappointment that kills, and the desperation to get him to notice.

Just quietly get on with things the way you want them to be.

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