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Should I keep my options open?

49 replies

BumbleBeeElle · 24/10/2021 00:15

Apologies, this is my first time posting on a forum so bare with me.

I am in a good relationship, however I feel I am in a bit of a limbo. I just don’t know where I stand. Just to give you a back story, I have been in a relationship with my OH for just over 2.5 years. Absolutely adore him and for the first time in life I feel very much loved. I get treated well and taken care off. OH is 39 and has 2 kids, I am 33 no previous marriage or kids. He has been married before but he left within 6 months.
I came along 8 years after the end of his previous marriage. You’d think that by then someone would have made their mind up about what’s next. However I don’t think OH knows what he wants!

There are a few issues here. To start, having any serious conversation with him never ends well, about 6 months ago I tried to have an open discussion with him about where he thinks we are headed, I simply asked if he saw marriage in the future for us, no pressure but just to find out if we are on the same path. Sadly the conversation ended because he said he felt like I was forcing him into marriage…. Ummm okay. At that moment I decided to take a few steps back, I collected a few eggs out of the basket, if you catch my drift. From then on I have been very weary of any serious conversations because I don’t want the tension that comes afterwards, but thoughts of it are constantly floating on my mind. It’s as if there’s questions I can not ask because they are above my pay grade!!

He’s not exactly the easiest person to talk to because you never know which way a conversation can go. Recently I’ve come to notice that at times it’s “I” then other times it’s “we”. It’s as if he forgets that we are a team, it’s we not I.. anyway those little things are nagging at me now more and more.
I have noticed that he has a big problem with trust, he trusts no one in life, myself included. Which is really upsetting to see. Some days I feel there is a future, other days I wonder what the heck I am there for. I feel as though I am just floating along hoping something will happen. Some days are so tough, especially when I see colleagues, friends and old school friends getting engaged etc and I have no clue if that’ll happen for me. Marriage and commitment are important to me. I’ve had 2 previous serious relationships which have both ended badly, 1 cheated and I did not see it coming and the other married someone else behind my back.

When the first lockdown was announced he asked me to come and live with him until everything was okay, which I was happy about, it was great and we definitely kept each other sane. He asked me to stay as he said he loved living with me. However in May he suddenly decided that I should find somewhere else to live, because he will be starting building work in June/July (he is building his own home) and there would be so much noise plus also because he didn’t recall asking me to permanently move in. This took me quite by surprise but I didn’t react, I went and found myself a room to rent in a lovely home. Now, whenever I leave his to come back to mine, only a few miles down the road, he seems sad, he has made comments about how much he hates it when I’m not there.

I definitely think he has issues with people being in his space for too long, it’s a pattern, even with his kids. I am now questioning other things like his refusal to post/ be tagged in photos of us on social media, he says it is because he’s a very private person, then the next time he’ll say because he doesn’t want to upset his kids and ex wife. I do spend time with him and his kids now and then, so it’s not as if there is no clarity about us being in a relationship.

Now to my question, I am not the cheating type nor do I condone it. However I am beginning to wonder if maybe I am better off keeping my options open because I can see myself in this same place in 5 years time. I am not getting any younger and I certainly don’t feel secure.

Apologies for the long post.

OP posts:
ExcitedtoTry · 24/10/2021 10:02

Why the hell would you want to be tied to this man child?

Do yourself a favour. Stop being a doormat and end this.

DFOD · 24/10/2021 10:17

Wow.

How exploitative that he used you for company in lockdown and how rejecting that he moved you out thereafter. You poor thing.

I have seen commitment phobes like before - it’s not an accident that you are significantly younger than him with no “baggage” - once you express your desires for more you will be gone - he knows this - he keeps you sweet day to day but there is no future investment - that is the uncertainty and confusion you are feeling in your gut right now.

What’s his relationship history - that will tell you all you need to know. Although I suspect due to his “privacy” this is highly edited. He is already lining up the next one as he senses you wanting to move the relationship on to normal stuff.

You deserve more than this - don’t sleep walk for another couple of years squandering your precious and finite fertile years on this wanker. He doesn’t want any more DC - he doesn’t want a live in partner.

I am concerned that you have had 2 other difficult relationships and wonder if you had a troubled childhood which has left you vulnerable with poor self esteem? If so it’s critical that you work in yourself with a professional so that this vulnerability is fixed once and for all so that you don’t slip unwittingly into another difficult relationship.

Thisismyusernamefornow · 24/10/2021 10:41

@DFOD

Wow.

How exploitative that he used you for company in lockdown and how rejecting that he moved you out thereafter. You poor thing.

I have seen commitment phobes like before - it’s not an accident that you are significantly younger than him with no “baggage” - once you express your desires for more you will be gone - he knows this - he keeps you sweet day to day but there is no future investment - that is the uncertainty and confusion you are feeling in your gut right now.

What’s his relationship history - that will tell you all you need to know. Although I suspect due to his “privacy” this is highly edited. He is already lining up the next one as he senses you wanting to move the relationship on to normal stuff.

You deserve more than this - don’t sleep walk for another couple of years squandering your precious and finite fertile years on this wanker. He doesn’t want any more DC - he doesn’t want a live in partner.

I am concerned that you have had 2 other difficult relationships and wonder if you had a troubled childhood which has left you vulnerable with poor self esteem? If so it’s critical that you work in yourself with a professional so that this vulnerability is fixed once and for all so that you don’t slip unwittingly into another difficult relationship.

This thread isn't about me but everything you've written could be. It's so interesting to hear it from another person!
Bonbon21 · 24/10/2021 10:49

This
..."..From then on I have been very weary of any serious conversations because I don’t want the tension that comes afterwards...."

I found this on MN a while back and it was a lightbulb going on...

...When you find yourself moderating everything you do or say to try to manage his reactions - you are in an abusive relationship....

You deserve better.

Brightmagic2021 · 24/10/2021 10:53

I think your relationship is going backwards not forwards. How can he expect you to put up with that? I would seriously consider calling it a day if I were you.

crimsonlake · 24/10/2021 10:53

He left his wife after 6 months, this should tell you everything. He will not commit.

BumbleBeeElle · 24/10/2021 13:48

Hi everyone. Thank you for all you brilliant advice.

You’re all right, my gut is telling me nothing is right, but for fear of maybe loneliness or never finding anyone better I am avoiding taking the plunge.

I will also mention that I recently made a big career change, after a few delays because of COVID, my chosen university moved intakes forward twice, which meant I had to wait, but I am finally here taking on a degree I waited a long while for, I chose to wait and become more mature before taking on the big responsibility of such a career. It’s been a distraction so far and a target to focus on.

DFOD, you are right in a way, I haven’t made the right choices in men or met men when our paths weren’t aligned, so because of that I have made stupid compromises which have left me badly hurt.

I certainly feel loved and cared for…but behind that I sense a presence of it being a ruse. There have been moments when I’ve definitely been sure he has cheated, something isn’t right and I am not content. My heart is not full, the future is becoming very clouded and depressing.

Yesterday I decided to pull myself away from him just to take some time out as I am feeling exhausted emotionally, mentally and physically. I have a 3 year commitment to my university degree and my weightloss, I joined a gym 4 months ago to get myself back to healthy and fit. So he is aware that those 2 things are currently my priority and the balance can not be tipped. He is very supportive.

In reply to Namechangenumber23 - ^^The social media issue is just plain odd. His reasonings are ridiculous and are likely a convenient excuse/lie. 10 years on and he is concerned about the reaction of someone he split from 10 years ago and children who (presumably after 2.5 years) already know of your existence?

The reasoning is definitely ridiculous, I will mention that he pussy foots around his ex, he had multiple affairs whilst he was with her, they did not have a healthy relationship at all. Their first born came when they were 17, as far as he is concerned she trapped him for financial gain. He is full of regret because of his actions and decided to walk away because he was staying for the wrong reasons. I do certainly notice that he has a huge need to please and keep her sweet for fear of who knows what! The children know of my existence, I’m closer to the youngest than the older, I take her shopping with me sometimes and spend hours chatting away with her about anything. However I do not feel completely accepted…

I am very weary of the outcome of the conversation, but it must be had. I’m slowly sinking into a black hole and for the sake of my future I can not. I will mention a few things just so that there is more information. I have keys to his home, access to his money if needed, we do all the normal couple things like date nights, attend parties and meals together. I do in that way feel a part of his life. Now and then he asks for my input in the house, for example the kitchen colour and style was my choice, he asked what I wanted and we chose it together. But I can’t feel as though I’m creating a home with him for another woman to enjoy….

Apologies I don’t know how to use this forum that well and reply to people properly. I hope I have made sense.

OP posts:
category12 · 24/10/2021 13:54

The multiple affairs in his marriage makes me think even more that hiding the relationship on SM and having you move out once lockdown was over, makes me think it's because he wants the freedom to pursue other women.

BumbleBeeElle · 24/10/2021 14:28

I agree with you there completely. A few doors have been kept open by him which have been a worry to me (a few women he apparently committed those affairs with).

Am I cheating by talking to other people whilst still with him? Or do I cut and run…

Oh lord!!

OP posts:
category12 · 24/10/2021 14:32

Well, why bother staying with him when you don't trust him and it's not going anywhere? Just cut him off.

If you're going to start something with someone new, it'd be better for that future relationship to start on an honest footing than while you're still seeing someone else.

DFOD · 24/10/2021 14:49

Well done for you for taking back control of your career and health with uni and gym. That’s a huge accomplishment. Don’t let anything or anyone derail this.

As your achievements and confidence grows so will your self esteem.

Seems to me that this guy is a serial cheater - you are not part of his future plans. Your gut instincts plus his history tell you that - you don’t need proof - though I would get an STI as your fertility could be affected.

I would take some time out from men concentrate on you 100% for a year - get stuck into your course, your health and if you can also your emotional core with therapy or other self help.

Once you are strong and whole inside in all parts of your life career, body, spirit - you will radiate confidence and attract and select a much better mate.

Don’t waste another precious day focusing on this one who is just chucking you random and minimal breadcrumbs to keep you in the relationship - you are not invited to the main course.

BumbleBeeElle · 24/10/2021 15:19

Category12 - I agree with you. Apologies everyone, I didn’t mean to seem like a hussy. I’m just in a very confused place unsure what or how to do what must be done.

DFOD - the STI check up is booked for tomorrow, that was the first thing I thought of as soon as I felt a huge sense of doubt last week.
Thank you, I am trying my best to deal with the cards life has dealt me, I have always been of the opinion that no one will get me to where I need to career/ finance wise but myself. He certainly won’t.

It has been an amazing relationship but also a very tough one and I am tired now. I’m tired of not being number 1 and feeling like an after thought.

OP posts:
DFOD · 24/10/2021 15:44

@BumbleBeeElle

Category12 - I agree with you. Apologies everyone, I didn’t mean to seem like a hussy. I’m just in a very confused place unsure what or how to do what must be done.

DFOD - the STI check up is booked for tomorrow, that was the first thing I thought of as soon as I felt a huge sense of doubt last week.
Thank you, I am trying my best to deal with the cards life has dealt me, I have always been of the opinion that no one will get me to where I need to career/ finance wise but myself. He certainly won’t.

It has been an amazing relationship but also a very tough one and I am tired now. I’m tired of not being number 1 and feeling like an after thought.

You are further on than you realise.

You always have to be No1 to yourself.

Focus on your emotional development/self esteem - you are already boosting it with the career and gym and this is clearly feeding through already

Sakurami · 24/10/2021 16:15

OP, leave this man and enjoy your life at uni and you'll meet lots of new people. And next time you're in a relationship remember that you both have ti be happy and you both have as much a say - your opinions and wishes are just as valid.

I think he asked you to move in during lockdown because he couldn't meet other people.

Namechangenumber23 · 24/10/2021 16:22

OP it sounds like you are very sorted otherwise in life and I admire your focus. As @DFOD said, you are further on than you realise. I sense also that if you are already mentally open to the idea of seeking out contact with someone new, then you are done in your head really, just your heart and any lingering sense of loyalty you feel towards him needs to catch up. Nothing wrong with those feelings but ask yourself if he affords you the same courtesy, he has played mind games and doesn't have the decency to give you clarity in his relationship with you. Nothing wrong if people don't want to commit but wrong if they make you think they do and blow hot and cold. It's always the same when coming to the close of a relationship, you are torn by all the emotions invested, the sunk costs phallacy so to speak, which is how you can end up letting things limp on when it should have ended much before.

His previous history of cheating is a red flag and you say your gut has given you reason to think he has been the same whilst with you showing you feel you cannot trust him. As a PP said, awful of him to conveniently move you in during lockdown and mess with your head and not only change his mind but deny he wanted you to stay.

Social media again, so not a secret to his children? I get wanting to stay on good terms especially after the way things ended and his cheating but no, not a valid excuse to distance himself from you on SM when those people he cited know full well he is with you, who you are and have met you.

Regarding your future again, you know what you want and he's not giving that to you and worse, he's blocked you from even discussing it with him or fearing the aftermath if you do bring it up again. I'd take that as a solid nope. If he really wanted those things he wouldn't hesitate or if he was a mature, nice, decent person and didn't want those things he'd tell you and at least let you know where you stand. As you said yourself it's now tough and you feel like an afterthought. The future looks clouded and depressing. I think that tells you everything.

I hope you find your way and good luck for your degree and weight loss goals. Smile

And sorry for repeating myself, but DO be careful of the reel back if you do end it. I'm sure plenty of others would testify to being pulled back after being promised the earth because you had "brought them to their senses" and finding nothing ever really changed.

ChargingBuck · 24/10/2021 17:29

I certainly feel loved and cared for…but behind that I sense a presence of it being a ruse.

You are a smart & capable young woman, & I reckon your sense is bang on. Of course it's a ruse - he moved you in for lockdown, because it was convenient to him to have your company. Also availability for shagging. Now he no longer needs to keep you permanently under the same roof in order to shag you, he smartly moves you back out.

And he makes you feel there are things you cannot discuss (ie YOUR NEEDS) because they are "above your pay grade". Fuck that noise.
Cut this dismissive, disrespectful, cheating, ex-obsessed arse out of your life, & go & get your degree! :)

BumbleBeeElle · 24/10/2021 17:40

Thank you everyone, I feel so silly because I know the answer, I guess I just needed confirmation incase I was being silly. I have a lot to think about, in regards to how to approach the end, however I have a massive assignment that is floating around my head, so that’s got to come first.

Mentally I have completely signed out, emotionally and physically I am so so stuck. I am scared, I moved to the same town as him for this degree and for us to be closer to make seeing each other easier, I’m so scared that once it has ended what will it be like bumping into him, his friends or his family. Sounds silly but the thought makes my stomach churn!

Is it fair for me to say that I think I’m quite done with men? Solo parenting via a sperm bank is calling out to me loudly and I can’t help but run towards it! (Once uni is done of course).

OP posts:
FlowerArranger · 24/10/2021 18:46

Can you take a step back and focus on yourself and your studies? Looking it from afar, he doesn't seem to add anything positive to your life. Who needs 'issues' when you can focus on your goals and your future.

No need to do anything. He clearly used you when it suited him, so you do not own him anything. There is no need for a big breakup conversation. If he asks, just say you need some time to yourself so you can focus on your studies. Followed by a short telephone call to formally end it, then block.

You'll feel a lot less scared and more in charge of your life once this is no longer hanging over you.

LuvMyBubbles · 24/10/2021 20:24

Please leave. Now.
This will never change
You are a convenience for him when it suits
Don't waste your time anymore

cakecakecheese · 24/10/2021 20:32

Leave. It sounds like you want to put the feelers out to see if you'd get any interest from other people but that's not the way to do it. Being single can seem scary but it's much better to bin off someone who isn't right for you so you can start afresh.

Limeeye · 24/10/2021 20:45

Why all the drama about giving up and sperm donors, come on op, you sound brilliant, you write so well here, you’re self aware and interesting and lovely. Please focus on your studies and all the things you love. So what if you bump into any of them, you dated, it didn’t work, you’re focusing on studies. That’s all you need to say, not even that really. There’s no getting around that a break up is not nice and looking for someone else in the interim is just a plaster and not really fair on the other person.

But come on, you’ll be ok, you sound great, he sounds awful and doesn’t even deserve you!!

AlbertBridge · 24/10/2021 20:50

He's fun to date but he has a problem with commitment. You knew that as soon as he said he left a marriage after 6 months.

I think 2.5 years is more than long enough to date someone without the relationship moving forwards. I honestly think if you left, you'd find someone new and settle down within 2-3 years. But if you bumped into him in 10 years time. He'd be just the same - dating, not married.

anthurium · 24/10/2021 21:12

Hi Op,

I'm sorry your relationship is not working out.

It depends how you choose to see the narrative of relationships/having a family unit : can they be separate/or are they intrinsically together?

I'm 39 and a solo mother by choice and am pregnant via a sperm donor, the only regret I have is not having done it sooner. Really got tired of 'waiting' for a whatever man I was with at the time to decide/step up/stop doing xyz/ ...

When I'm ready to date, it'll be a lot less pressurising ie. no marriage/no cohabitation (while my child is growing up)/ no marriage (I'm not interested in doing it again).

Good luck with your degree Smile

SweetBabyCheeses99 · 24/10/2021 21:21

2.5 years! You should be able to at least talk about the future, living together, marriage, kids etc. If he says he doesn’t want these things than fine, at least you know where you stand and you can make a decision (to move on). It’s a big red flag though that he can’t even TALK about these things.

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