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Feelings of awkwardness around physical contact when dating a man, any success stories?

38 replies

aurynne · 22/10/2021 22:28

Hi MNers, I need to ask for your collective wisdom in a dating situation I had never experienced before.

I am in my 40s and about a month and a half ago started dating a man on his 50s. He is intelligent, we talk for hours, fit as a fiddle, I find him very attractive. We spend a lot of time together doing things we love to do: hiking, biking, cooking, walking the dog... I love spending time with him and he loves spending time with me. I miss him when I'm not with him. It all sounds great for a budding relationship, right?

Well, no. There is one point which has been awkward from the beginning, and initially I thought it was part of getting to know a new person and it would get better. But it hasn't and we have got ourselves to an impasse we seem unable to get out of.

Our first dates went great, but at the end I was a bit disappointed that he hadn't initiated a kiss. About 2 weeks into dating we were having a drink at mine and I thought: "right, this is it, let's get things going". Started kissing him, however the kisses felt... I don't know, wrong. Kind of short kisses, not really long enjoyable ones, kind of like our lips didn't move in synchrony. We ended having sex, which was a bit awkward but it often happens like that this first time, no biggie. I thought that, after that day, things would get naturally better and we'd get physically more comfortable with each other.

We didn't. Peck on the lips when we met, peck on the lips when we said good bye, holding hands... and that was the extent of the physical closeness we had.

I have always been a very touchy-feely person. I love touch, long kisses, caresses, massage. Normally I am always touching a partner, not in a sexual way (although I love sex too, but what I mean, touch and kissing does not mean only sex for me).

I brought the issue up in the beginning thinking "perhaps he is not a touchy person", however he told me he was feeling exactly the same way, he felt we didn't kiss or touch each other enough and that I was the one reluctant to physical contact, so as a result he felt himself withdrawing! (this is exactly how I felt too, but towards him). He says he usually loves kissing, caressing, and he is a very sexual and passionate person. So we agreed to try to express ourselves better.

Weeks later, and things have gotten worse Sad. I have no idea why this is happening, I really like him and fancy him, I love doing things with him, and he says - and I believe he means it - the same things back to me. He is always wanting to see me and wanting to do things together. But when we are together... if feels awkward! Yesterday I brought the issue again and he agrees with everything I say... only he applies it to himself too. Both of us feel that the other person does not want touching or kissing, or intimacy, so we both withdraw and feel awkward! It's like our bodies speak completely different languages.

I have no idea how we got into this situation, and worst of all, I have no idea how to break this impasse.

Has this happened to any of you, and did it result in you breaking up, or are there any stories where things changed somehow? I would love nothing more than breaking this awkwardness and looking back from the future laughing and thinking "how on earth could we have been so awkward around each other??". However, the situation has got so uncomfortable that I am at a loss to how to fix it right now.

Please help!

OP posts:
needtodrinkmore · 25/10/2021 00:45

You do have to come back!! What do you think she did??

smoko · 25/10/2021 01:14

You don’t have sexual chemistry & trying to force something which is not naturally there
Stop trying to force it & listen to what your instincts are trying to tell you here.

TopCatsTopHat · 25/10/2021 06:59

Triple grin situation eh!? Well I can't deny I'm not curious.
You didn't have time for a six month course of tango lessons so what on earth could it possibly have been!

OnPaper · 25/10/2021 07:16

@needtodrinkmore

You do have to come back!! What do you think she did??
My theory is OP rocked up in his house wearing a raincoat with nothing underneath. He opens door ,she opens raincoat. Wink
TopCatsTopHat · 25/10/2021 07:35

😂😂😂

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 25/10/2021 07:47

So yes, I'll try to give it one go with this idea I've had (I'm meeting him in 20 min so no time to elaborate now, but will come back and let you guys know

I'm a cynical old cow I know but this is a classic sales tactic. If any PPs on this thread get a pm from the op, use caution.

TopCatsTopHat · 25/10/2021 07:49

Oooo, good point. No snake oil for me thanks. 😆

aurynne · 25/10/2021 08:49

I just wanted to add some intrigue Grin.

And I wanted another half day to check that things didn't just work for one day (they didn't. Still working!)

So a bit of background here, and I apologise in advance for the long explanation... this is truly how my brain works:

As a child and adolescent I was always told I was weird. In my late teens I did a lot of work to try to "become more normal" and make friends. By a painful, long and arduous process of copying other women, practising and a lot of trial and error I did manage to become more social and less "weird" so I actually made good friends. It was not until I was in my late 20s that I read about Asperger's syndrome in girls and I ticked all the boxes. It would have helped at a time to know why I had been finding it so hard, however by the time I read about Aspie women I felt comfortable with my lower level of outward weirdness and with the level of functionality i had achieved.

One of the consequences of my almost complete inability to pick up social "clues" was never knowing when people were telling me or doing something that hurt my feelings on purpose, or if there were other reasons (they were actually being nice/they had had a bad day and was not personal/they were direct people, like me, giving me valuable feedback).

In order to deal with it, I made the conscious decision to believe that what people did or said to me was NOT done/said on purpose to hurt me, regardless whether it was or not. In my analytical mind this made sense, because:

a) If I felt hurt and the person had not meant to hurt me, there was no point in feeling hurt. Lose-lose.
b) If I felt hurt, and the person intended to hurt me, then the person would feel validated and go on hurting me and/or other people. So I would lose too.
c) If I didn't feel hurt and the person hadn't intended to hurt me, then it was a win-win for both, and no misunderstandings.
d) If the person actually wanted to hurt me but I refused to be hurt, then I would be happy and the person intending to hurt me would not have achieved their purpose. So win-win again.

I am sure this sounds very complicated for a more "normal" person for whom social interactions are easy and instinctive, but for someone like myself this simple technique helped me increase my confidence and feel stronger socially, and avoid many potential misunderstandings. I still benefit from this decision today.

So I treated the "awkwardness issue" with the guy I am dating the same way. I decided that, if I wanted to give this potential relationship a chance to work, I needed to believe that what he told me was true: that he indeed felt as confused as me, that he was very keen on me emotionally and sexually, but our mutual hesitance was giving both of us the impression that the other person was not keen, and this had created a kind of "mental block" on both sides.

So my plan was this: in order to try to overcome the awkwardness and break the block, both him and I would agree to behave as if we were 100% sure that the other person was totally keen on us and found us incredibly attractive. I know this is right for me (I really fancy him and find him hot as hell).

But I did not know if he was feeling the same way. So applying my logic, if he was telling the truth, and he was keen and fancied me, then:

a) If it was a mental block created by our mutual hesitance (and my Aspie's traits giving him the wrong idea, i.e. uncommon lack of eye contact, tone of voice, etc) then this trick may work and break the block, giving both of us confidence to feel less awkward.

b) If it was a true physical/sexual incompatibility, then the awkwardness would not go away. So we would break up, but at least we'd know we had given it another try.

If, on the other hand, the guy was lying and blaming the awkwardness on me when it was something he was causing or a weird way to control me, then:

a) He would probably not agree on carrying out my idea, or

b) He would humour me and try, but the awkwardness would not go anywhere because it was him causing it after all.

In whichever case, the outcome would be better than breaking up and never knowing if this could have been saved.

So I went and had a chat with him and told him about my idea. I expected him to find it childish, or stupid, however he surprised me by being really happy that I had not decided to just stop seeing him (which was what he thought I would do) and he was really keen to try the "plan". I asked him when he wanted to start. He smiled and said, "why don't we just start right now, what would you do to a guy you really fancy and who fancies you like mad?". So I basically sat on his lap and started kissing him. And he responded straight away, and for the first time in over a month we had a bloody good kissing session, which ended up in a different kind of session right there on the kitchen bench. Followed by a great day out together and him staying at mine and another bloody awesome - and not awkward - session of hot sex on my sofa. And the next morning this proved not to be just a 24 hour thing, but we continued the non-awkward process of catching up on all the sex we had not done before.

And I can hear you loud and clear, @EvenMoreFuriousVexation, and if I was the one reading this I would also think "how convenient and how unbelievable". Even in my best projections I didn't believe it would work like this. I thought, best case scenario, the awkwardness will get less and less. But nope, this was instantaneous.

I fully expect some of you not to believe this story. But it happened.

If any other Aspie (or non-Aspie) woman out there could get some inspiration from it for similar or other type of awkward/uncomfortable situations, then some posters not believing me will be more than worth it. No snake oils or website subscriptions needed Smile

OP posts:
TopCatsTopHat · 25/10/2021 08:56

Brilliant! Makes perfect sense to me but my mind works a bit like that too. Also gives me hope for my aspie daughter, I worry about her navigating this stuff.
Glad it worked so spectacularly!

Shuffleuplove · 25/10/2021 09:12

Fabulous! I am so so happy for you! And makes sense to me too.

Run headlong towards happiness and love OP! Massive Flowers to you!

Silenceisgolden20 · 25/10/2021 15:03

Eh? So you've self diagnosed yourself and now trying out and writing an essay about it in mumsnet your magic answer to get the chemistry.

Hmmmm, I'm not sure this is true

But each to their own.

aurynne · 25/10/2021 20:58

@Silenceisgolden20

Eh? So you've self diagnosed yourself and now trying out and writing an essay about it in mumsnet your magic answer to get the chemistry.

Hmmmm, I'm not sure this is true

But each to their own.

Pretty much, yep
OP posts:
Shuffleuplove · 25/10/2021 21:13

Good for you OP! Honest I think you’re brilliant! And it also falls in with the theory of “you’ll see it when you believe it!”

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