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Trigger- attempted suicide mentioned. Exh's partner.

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tempnamechange0987 · 17/10/2021 07:45

This is long. If you can read it all then thank you. I need perspective.

ExH is in a relationship with P. They live together with her DC & my DC visit most weekends. All DC are primary age.

Often DC 1 will go to daddy’s on Friday night, but DC2 chooses to go on Saturday am, I think due to being tired but there maybe more to it. This is fine with EXH & I. I typically drop DC2 off when they are ready. Yesterday, I took DC2 to meet P & DC1 as ExH was at an appointment. There was confusion over the drop off arrangements & P was not expecting us, she made this clear in front of DC but said it was fine for him to stay. I asked Dc what he wanted & he said ‘I don’t mind’ so I took him into the park with the intention of staying for a bit & heading off once DC were settled. ExH would be there in approx one hour.

As we walked together, P made it clear to me that their morning had been‘disrupted’ by DC2 being able to choose when he goes there. I tried to explain the upheaval he is experiencing to her & how he needs us to be accommodated with kindness. She told me to ‘step up & be a parent’ & to ‘stop trying to be their best friend’ as well as other unpleasant things. When I told her to stop criticising me & my DC she said ‘look at your child’. I don’t know why she said this; both DC are well liked, kind DC both in & outside school. No real issues with their behaviour. I was very hurt, took both of my DC home (I wasn’t comfortable leaving them with her). I was visibly distressed & the DC were worried for me. I said I was ok but that P had been unkind to mummy & that’s not ok so we left. The DC did not hear any of P & my conversation.

There is a lot more to this. Since the beginning P has had it in for me. She’s been repeatedly nasty to me - mostly on text. She goes in cycles of picking what she perceives to be my personality apart, to apologising, then doing it all again.

Once she attempted to kill herself with all DC in her care (ex h was there). Dc did not know what she had done. My partner & I helped by getting her medical care & looking after her DC as well as my own. After this, I told ExH I did not want her caring for our DC, but a psychiatrist saw her & said she was not a risk to the DC & exh resumed the relationship with her & DC after reassurances from her.

Now, I am gutted, so confused. She has a complex background; abuse, fractured relationships, physical health issues. The main issue is that she is so nasty to me. Accused me of being either ‘controlling’, ‘passive’, ‘looking down my nose’ & of ‘faking’ my upset caused by her etc. She does not like ExH & I being friendly & tries to block or control contact between us. She tried to get us to agree to only be in touch at specific times.

I am frightened for my DC who are stuck with her & for myself as she’s in my life now too. ExH acknowledges it all but says he can’t/won’t leave- they are in couples therapy.

I am happy so with my DP & ExH & I are fine too. I just want to get on with life, but P is continually disruptive & I can’t get away from her due to the DC. I have now blocked her. I never insult her back, I just try to rise above it, but she channels so much anger at me. ExH had told me she ‘hates’ me & I am on edge at what she will do next.

I’m exhausted & sleep deprived from the stress of knowing my DC will be with her for the next 24hours.

Thank you for getting this far. Advice welcomed, please be gentle I’m so run down.

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Quartz2208 · 17/10/2021 08:59

I think you need to actually say to him this is getting to the stage that it isnt healthy for your children. Why do they go every weekend? Maybe say at the moment EOW one night seems best and he can take them out in the week without her

THey have been togehter 18 months - he has really rushed it hasnt he.

RandomMess · 17/10/2021 09:11

There is no court order in place so you can state that you think less contact would be best for the DC under the circumstances and only when your ex is going to be there all the time and you will not agree to his P have sole responsibility for them.

If it went to court you can ask for "first refusal" which means that if it wasn't your ex taking care of them before he asked anyone else to (including P) he would have to ask you.

I think P wants a huge drama and to make out like you are the mean ExW who denies contact etc etc BUT as your DC are being the collateral damage, to an extent you need to put these boundaries in.

It's futile to have these conversations with your Ex but you could ask to go to mediation with him.

tempnamechange0987 · 17/10/2021 09:13

I have told him I do not want any further contact with her, including drop offs. I have stressed I don't want them there overnight & that I do not want them in her sole charge.
He says he can only accommodate the no contact with her & I the rest he does not recognise as needed 😔.

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Loveshelly · 17/10/2021 09:22

Genuinely aside from keeping them away from them both. There is not a lot you can do. He can decide what he wants in his time.

I would think the best would be to keep him on side. Otherwise it will get nasty.

Theunamedcat · 17/10/2021 09:23

Children's services supported me when I said his unstable partner was not to be unsupervised around my children but she had lost custody of hers because of her behaviour so it was easier to get in place he chose to cut his contact time down rather than risk "losing her" they have now split and he is in a relationship with someone else contact has not increased again

girlmom21 · 17/10/2021 09:26

@tempnamechange0987

I have told him I do not want any further contact with her, including drop offs. I have stressed I don't want them there overnight & that I do not want them in her sole charge. He says he can only accommodate the no contact with her & I the rest he does not recognise as needed 😔.
He's right. He's facilitating the reasonable requests.

If you think she's a risk to your children you can stop contact and get it court ordered.

Justilou1 · 17/10/2021 09:26

He is not qualified to judge what is safest for the kids when it comes to her MH. I would demand a full assessment, I hope you have kept all the text messages she has sent you.

girlmom21 · 17/10/2021 09:29

@Justilou1

He is not qualified to judge what is safest for the kids when it comes to her MH. I would demand a full assessment, I hope you have kept all the text messages she has sent you.
A psychologist said she's not a risk to the children.
LorenzoVonMatterhorn · 17/10/2021 09:30

I actually dont think one parent having the children every weekend is fair at all. Not sure a court would either. Id take my chances and say now theyre older, which school during the week, it no longer works you not seeing them any weekend so it will got to eow and he can have them
During the week for a night as well and do school runs.

Southernbellenot · 17/10/2021 10:05

A psychologist said she's not a risk to the children

Depends what the define as 'risk' - my mother had a phycologist since she was 14, whilst she might not been a risk in actually murdering us she still battered my brother and I and mentally abused us.

Theunamedcat · 17/10/2021 10:11

A psychologist judged her not a risk to her children at that time and you only have his word for this no one asked the question are the boyfriends children at risk of psychological harm due to her fixation and abuse of their mother

Southernbellenot · 17/10/2021 10:19

OP whilst a good relationship with your kids dad is priceless you have to be careful of not allowing them to call the shots too often. I have a very good relationship with my dc dad and they see him every weekend and through the week but they sleep here at night. He does a lot of school pic ups, takes them out for tea has them all day Saturday. If suddenly stopped contact they would really suffer. They dont sleep over because they dont want to.They like there own beds.Ex excepts that.

However in your situation I would stop all over night stays for the foreseeable, I would encourage FaceTimes in the evening between the kids and their dad and let him take them out for tea during the week, spend time with them on a Saturday.

Her mental health is a big issue. She is clearly still not well and its leaking out in front of the kids. So for me protection of the kids would be much more important than upsetting the apple cart with him. Tbh if I was with a new partner and they tried killing themselves whilst my kids were about - that would be it. I would never ever trust them again. Also I have a mother who has tried to kill her self three times - if some one wanted to really kill themselves they would. I know this sounds harsh but 'attempts' when people are around or they know they will be found quickly are 'cries for help' or attention seeking.

And I would push this all the way to court.

Southernbellenot · 17/10/2021 10:24

And you really held it together when she was saying those things about your child whilst they were just out of ear shot. I wonder if she was baiting you for an argument in front of them so you would take them home or argue back with her in front of them.

Either way it still negatively impacted your kids. This needs sorting fast.

girlmom21 · 17/10/2021 10:29

@Southernbellenot

A psychologist said she's not a risk to the children

Depends what the define as 'risk' - my mother had a phycologist since she was 14, whilst she might not been a risk in actually murdering us she still battered my brother and I and mentally abused us.

That was in response to a PP saying he's not qualified in saying she's safe and that they need a professional opinion.

They have a professional opinion. It doesn't mean it's right but ExH won't insist she sees another professional when ones already said she's safe.

I'm sorry for what you and your bother experienced.

RandomMess · 17/10/2021 10:31

I would ask him if he thinks it isn't damaging to the DC to have their Mum criticised and bitched about to them? Does he truly believe that and what would he think of your partner was saying those things about you to the DC?

You have all of this in writing which would help Cafcass see what is going on if it went to court.

Brollywasntneededafterall · 17/10/2021 10:54

Less contact with them both. Exh is facilitating her being a bitch to all of you.. Block her
.. She has no need to make any contact with you.. Reduce visits. Keep your dc at Xmas.

Justilou1 · 17/10/2021 13:42

@girlmom21 - I meant that EXDH isn’t qualified to judge whether P is safe for the MH of the kids… the P has been assessed, but the kids have not.

Ginger1982 · 17/10/2021 13:54

I'm sorry but if someone had tried to top themselves in my child's presence, my child would not be going back there. Do they even want to go? Stop contact.

girlmom21 · 17/10/2021 14:08

[quote Justilou1]@girlmom21 - I meant that EXDH isn’t qualified to judge whether P is safe for the MH of the kids… the P has been assessed, but the kids have not.[/quote]
Sorry, I misunderstood.

Lachimolala · 17/10/2021 15:23

I’m your shoes I would stop all overnight contact for now and insist he sees the DC without her present, if he isn’t happy with this he can take you to court. Then you will have an opportunity to put forward your concerns over the children’s emotional health re P.

I would also advise you give your local safeguarding hun a call tomorrow morning and ask for their advice, they can help with this.

You’d possibly need to start looking at solicitors now also, may as well get a head start.

tempnamechange0987 · 17/10/2021 15:26

DC1 wants to go, very much misses her dad. DC2 doesn't seem bothered & usually puts up some resistance but agrees in the end on the condition he doesn't have to stay. I understand that once he's there though he is happy & doesn't ask to come home. On the occasions that he has ExH will either call me, or refuse to (I have spoken to him about this & make a point of saying to dc in front of ExH that I can & will collect them anytime).
ExH has form for selfish & chaotic behaviour. However he is a loving dad who very challenging wants to be in the dc lives. He is a 'nice' guy & I think puts up with P's bullying for fear of being alone.
They moved in together almost immediately& got a mortgage within months. I warned him against rushing in but he is impulsive & can really lack insight.

Dc have both gone for the day but I am expecting a call to collect them early eve.

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