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Am I mug? - update and slight rant..... ;-)

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KintsugiForever · 27/09/2021 16:29

Some of you very kindly helped me a few weeks ago when I decided to end my relationship over the phone with my boyfriend who put me in limbo for nearly 3 weeks. I ended it by leaving a WA voice message as he was becoming very flakey.

Well….now I please need your words of closure to help me resign him to the bin of ‘bad exes’!

This morning he said he was finally going to come and get his stuff around lunchtime. I said fine but that I was out for lunch but I’d arrange for someone to let him in…he said he’d let me know when he was on his way. I didn’t hear anything more so left just after 1pm to go to my friend’s and, lo and behold, he pulls up behind me as I was getting in the car (so he probably intended on turning up unannounced anyway). He gave his usual swagger and charm… a few off hand snidey comments but I didn’t give anything away, didn’t answer him when he said ‘So, what’s new with you?’, didn’t offer to help him load the car, didn’t offer drink or food or anything. I was polite but there were no emotions there.

This is what I need support/MN sisterhood with please….he said ‘Oh I guess we won’t cross paths as we live so far apart?’ (I agreed we wouldn't), and he said ‘It was good whilst it lasted’ and hugged me (fair enough). But then I was looking at him thinking, ‘Please just leave now in a civilised manner’….but no, he had to say ‘It was just that that walk that did it for me, I saw a side of you I couldn't deal with (those of you who saw my first thread will know this is the walk where he saw my supposed argument with my daughter and that was the reason he wasn’t sure about me apparently!)’ So…..I just had to stand my ground and deliver some home truths (after all, I was the one who ended the relationship!) and said:

  • If you are still saying that a relationship is worth ending because of me disciplining my child that is BS
  • Who the hell are you to judge my parenting style anyway?
  • You dragged her out of the restaurant the night before and hurt her arm, and scared her (my DD is 11)
  • You gave me the near-silent treatment for nearly 3 weeks
  • You didn’t turn up for a whole day when you had promised myself and my children you would and never got in touch to explain
  • Your behaviour was unacceptable and out of order
  • You need to be careful next time you get involved with a family, the way you come across is not how you think

Anyway, we ended up parting on pretty bad terms. When I ended it a few weeks ago I did it in a civilised fashion, but him having to dig again today and have the last word made me feel I had to tell him the ‘darker’ side of why I ended it. My neighbour saw him drive past her house at warp speed apparently – so he must have been very angry.

She has said that this is all about him having to have the last word and not accept I ended it. And me telling him those home truths will have made him furious. She says it just reinforces I did the right thing by ending it.

So why do I still feel like I’m in shock? I know it’s right that I ended it, but I didn’t want to see him today and I didn’t want to part finally on these terms. Do I simply resign myself to accepting he was just a nasty piece of work?

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KintsugiForever · 28/09/2021 08:30

I slept so badly last night, can't believe how different he turned out to be. And whilst I know all about red flags, I was shocked to see them become so blatant in him. Bullet dodged though.

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fuckoffImcounting · 28/09/2021 13:23

Well done OP. You kicked his arse good and proper.

Pinkbonbon · 28/09/2021 13:36

Does that mean he is paying for your phone?

If so, get a new phone.
Save yourself the hassle of contacting him again.

He will not want to give you peace of mind so will likely cause nothing but issues if you try pursue this. A new phone is a small price to pay. Plus, that way you also can be sure he will not know anything you do in your phone.

KintsugiForever · 28/09/2021 13:53

@Pinkbonbon - he pays the bill but I bought the phone so the billing info just needs to be transferred to my bank account.

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Pinkbonbon · 28/09/2021 13:56

Good luck with that!
Hope he won't use it to create drama.

On hindsight maybe that's another red flag. I mean why would he offer to pay for your phone? They like to tie people to them in those ways. You think it's a nice thing but actually its just another tenticle they want to wrap round you.

KintsugiForever · 28/09/2021 14:02

@Pinkbonbon You are 100% right - he also set me up on his Apple 'Family' sharing account within 8 weeks. I know....the hills are that way and I should have run to them!

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IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 28/09/2021 14:04

I think you will look back and be pleased that you told him what a twat he is

I think he deserved it.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 28/09/2021 14:09

[quote KintsugiForever]@Pinkbonbon - he pays the bill but I bought the phone so the billing info just needs to be transferred to my bank account.[/quote]
How long were you together when that started?

KintsugiForever · 28/09/2021 14:10

@youvegottenminuteslynn - 7 months.

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KintsugiForever · 28/09/2021 14:13

A general question....a friend (who met him lots of times and who has been super supportive), advised me yesterday to set out in an email (for future potential issues), what items I returned to him and the fact that we agreed that he would keep my TV and I would keep his (his TV was much nicer btw!). Also I am transferring money to him to cover some outlandish stuff he bought for my kids as I don't feel comfortable now - and that I should set this out in writing too. More to cover my back really. What do you think?

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 28/09/2021 14:21

[quote KintsugiForever]@youvegottenminuteslynn - 7 months.[/quote]
Didnt that strike you as rushing things especially when you have a child?

I wonder if it's worth you reading up on the shark cage analogy to see if it could help you.

timeisnotaline · 28/09/2021 14:22

I don’t know if I’d bother. Yu weren’t married - he’d have to have receipts as proof of ownership and evidence it was supposed to be lent not given etc, seems unlikely. If he turns up you can report him for harassment.
I think good on you for telling him. He thought he could turn up and smugly tell you it was all your fault, you told him some truths about himself and he HATED hearing them. About time!

youvegottenminuteslynn · 28/09/2021 14:23

@KintsugiForever

A general question....a friend (who met him lots of times and who has been super supportive), advised me yesterday to set out in an email (for future potential issues), what items I returned to him and the fact that we agreed that he would keep my TV and I would keep his (his TV was much nicer btw!). Also I am transferring money to him to cover some outlandish stuff he bought for my kids as I don't feel comfortable now - and that I should set this out in writing too. More to cover my back really. What do you think?
If I'm honest, this smacks (perhaps unintentionally) of keeping the lines of communication open. Is there something in that do you think? That you're sad it's over or don't feel you have emotional closure so are perpetuating the dynamic?

There's no need to reimburse him for things that were bought as gifts. If you already agreed who would keep what then I can't see how reiterating it now is any use. Either he doesn't bring it up because you maintain no contact (ideally) or he does and you can deal with it then. But I don't think it's sensible to be the one reigniting contact again after you drew a line under things.

KintsugiForever · 28/09/2021 14:26

@youvegottenminuteslynn - it definitely isn't because I want to stay in touch with him, I'm really annoyed that I even saw him yesterday as I had organised it so that I would have been out of the house; he turned up unannounced, I think deliberately on his part.

My friend is a lawyer and just said it was important to set it out in black and white in case there are any issues further down the line. I am ambivalent about it really, I can see the pros and cons of doing it, and not.

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KintsugiForever · 28/09/2021 14:28

We also agreed yesterday to email each other about the phone contract, and I said I would reimburse him for things I didn't feel comfortable about. Now, of course I don't have to do that, but I do like to stick to my word.

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Pinkbonbon · 28/09/2021 14:35

I wpuldnt not put that in writing (about re embursing him) because he can then use that to keep things open and query things and say you should pay him back for shit.

You don't owe him for gifts.
Whatever you do,do not admit oweing or thinking you owe him anything in writing.

Just pay him for what you feel is right phonebill wise. Label it something like 'phone bill reimbursement' and leave it at that.

If you have a text about the TV arrangement then that's good but I wouldnt stress it as you don't want him to get the idea of using this as an issue.

I get she wants you to cover you back but I think that email might just give him ideas for a stick to beat you with.

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