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What do I do about this thing with my friend?

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IndraOnTheMountainTop · 27/09/2021 13:19

This is a long story that I’ve tried to condense so a lot is missing and cut short. Donning my hard hat in preparation, but I need advice.

My friend and I have been friends for about 6 years. All our kids are really good friends, our daughters are best friends. We spend a lot of time together.

About a year and a half ago we got drunk and ended up kissing each other on her living room floor. It was kind of out the blue, but then afterwards when I thought about it, I felt like probably the boundaries between friendship had been blurry for a while, and maybe my feelings had been too and I just hadn’t realised. We were really close, in a kind of relationship type of way just without the actual sex.

During lockdown we talked every day. And then the first time we saw each other we ended up kissing and kind of progressed from there. It didn’t feel like an affair, though I guess it was. I have no idea why that is, I feel so completely confused, I guess because I never knew where we “were” or what it even meant.

In the autumn we ended up falling out and she stopped speaking to me. I was devastated and it was awful. She was pretty horrible about it and really cold (which she definitely can be in general). In this time I left my fairly abusive marriage. I had to take my DH to court for non mol and occupation orders. I still feel traumatised by everything that happened and pretty vulnerable and anxious. She knew / knows all of this.

This summer around May /June time she suddenly started being friendly. We’d had to stay approximately in contact to arrange the kids seeing each other, but it was painful and awkward but that seemed to shift. We gradually ended up spending more time together again.

In august we went away and slept with each other again. Having been emotionally distancing myself I ended up feeling entangled again. She isn’t always that nice to me, and sometimes makes me feel like she doesn’t even particularly like me. So I decided that I needed to step back a bit for a while.

The next time we saw each other we had a talk, I said I felt like we needed to be more honest. That I felt like she didn’t even particularly care about me and it was hurtful. She said I wasn’t an idiot and that I should know things only happened between us when we had been drinking.

That was last weekend. Things seemed okay between us since then, but on Friday at school she blanked me. On Saturday she sent me a weird awkward message asking if my daughter wanted to go bowling with her daughter and her husband. I asked her what was going on, it was cold and a strange message.

She replied saying she had told her husband everything that was going on, that we shouldn’t be friends anymore but she hoped the kids could still be friends. I said that we needed to talk and asked if she was okay, she refused.
I said I had no idea what was going on or what has been said so I can’t let my kids go round to play. I don’t even know how that would work. My head feels wrecked and I have no idea what is going on or what to do. I don’t want the kids to suffer because of our ridiculous decisions, but I can’t see how I can let them go there without knowing what her husbands frame of mind is, and what her children have been told. I feel broken and incredibly sad.

What do I do? Help me.

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IndraOnTheMountainTop · 28/09/2021 22:08

@user1481840227 yes he was a gas lighter. Everything was twisted until I had no idea whether up was down! He was also extremely controlling.

Yes you’re right on not knowing the content of the conversation - I’ll focus on that.

I have no idea of what’s normal no, that is definitely true. I often feel I need things explained / spelled out to me a lot more than others, I don’t know if that makes sense!
I’ve had a bit of therapy, definitely need more! Thanks 🙂

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user1481840227 · 28/09/2021 22:23

Yes it seems so obvious now once I guessed that.
I've been gaslighted too and know how much it can affect you afterwards.

I wonder if there is such a thing as a therapist who would specialise in undoing the harm caused by gaslighting. I'm sure there probably is but it might take some searching to find one!

Sakurami · 28/09/2021 23:29

You two had an affair. Unless you're both single this is wrong.

Lanareyrey · 29/09/2021 04:17

I don’t think it’s about getting more sympathy about her being a woman and having an affair with another woman.

Life is never that black and white…

MindyStClaire · 29/09/2021 08:22

@Lanareyrey

I don’t think it’s about getting more sympathy about her being a woman and having an affair with another woman.

Life is never that black and white…

The OW is usually slated on here though, even if the affair resulted in a marriage that's lasted years. I know it's a cliche, but this is absolutely a case where a post would have had very different replies had the sexes been reversed.

A husband who cheated doesn't get to retain a friendship with the OW, neither does a wife.

Kiki275 · 29/09/2021 08:48

Are you actually sure she's told the husband the full truth though?? It seems odd that the children would still be allowed to meet as that would maintain a communication link (that in an ordinary affair scenario) that should be severed.
Is it possible she's told him a version of the truth (you coming into her) or a different story (an argument)?
Either way I agree with pp that it's over and that you're better off away.

coffeeisthebest · 29/09/2021 10:38

@user1481840227

Yes it seems so obvious now once I guessed that. I've been gaslighted too and know how much it can affect you afterwards.

I wonder if there is such a thing as a therapist who would specialise in undoing the harm caused by gaslighting. I'm sure there probably is but it might take some searching to find one!

That should be the work of every therapist I would imagine.
user1481840227 · 29/09/2021 12:56

@coffeeisthebest
It's not. Different therapists specialise in different things or have different methods or use different therapies. There have been many people on here over the years saying their therapists were useless or they didn't find it helpful at all because all they did was talk about their feelings without much input from the therapist.

Some abuse or trauma rewires the brain, and the person would need specialist therapy to rewire it.

IndraOnTheMountainTop · 29/09/2021 20:23

@Kiki275

Are you actually sure she's told the husband the full truth though?? It seems odd that the children would still be allowed to meet as that would maintain a communication link (that in an ordinary affair scenario) that should be severed. Is it possible she's told him a version of the truth (you coming into her) or a different story (an argument)? Either way I agree with pp that it's over and that you're better off away.
I’d imagine that what has been told is a “version of the truth” yes! But she said she’s told him what’s been going on and I think it’s unlikely she would have told him without telling him what has actually happened iyswim as otherwise what is the point? Presumably the point is to clear her conscience which if she hasn’t told the truth it doesn’t really achieve. I’m sure that in the version he’s been told it was at my instigation and I somehow engineered this entire thing though, she has a bit of a history of being totally faultless in every disagreement we’ve ever had..

Yes I agree it’s odd that she’d allow them to meet - especially so soon afterwards. I felt like I could end up with him on my doorstep collecting my child 24 hours after he found out and that feels completely inappropriate?!

I find it hard to understand the psychology behind the whole thing. I struggled a lot with the fact she was a woman and what it meant at first and I do think it makes the situation different a bit, on many levels..

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grapewine · 01/10/2021 22:06

I struggled a lot with the fact she was a woman and what it meant at first and I do think it makes the situation different a bit, on many levels.

How, though? I know you're hurting, and the is shit, but it was still an affair. She was still married.

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