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Has any SAHM decided to divorce/leave their husbands?

55 replies

JC2021 · 25/09/2021 13:24

Just wanted to know how you managed?

Mine and my DH relationship is going to pot - it's getting worse and I hate the atmosphere living with him is becoming a majorly negative experience. I went from happy positive and bright person to a dull, negative person / he has rubbed off on me over the years. I've lost much social life/ friends and have become a boring hermit much like him.. he is so defensive and barely enjoys spending time with me and DS.

I am seriously considering leaving him and have done for the past 2 years.

I suppose there's no good time to leave when you're a reliant dependent stay at home mother.

Any advice greatly appreciated.

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JC2021 · 25/09/2021 18:40

@RandomMess ah ok thank you

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JC2021 · 26/09/2021 19:22

My husband is unfortunately becoming quite nasty in our arguments and has said "you have bitten off more than you can chew" what on earth does that mean? Has also said I speak to him like a child

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JC2021 · 26/09/2021 20:34

@Saladovercrispsanyday

Re the lawyer

My lawyer wrote to his and said that as I was a sahm, my husband would have to put a £5k retainer for my fees

That's good, I didn't know they done this... can you recommend law firm? I'm in Kent / not far from London.

Also how hard did you find the transition from married to divorced with kids? Did you/do you co-parent?

Thanks x

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twoandeights · 26/09/2021 20:35

Tomorrow google “divorce solicitor” and the name of your town. Email six. Ask for a free half hour. Explain that your husband is a high earner and that you have no access to family money. Can they help as you need advice about pursuing a divorce. You are entitled to at least half of everything including his fat pension. You do not get fobbed off. Come back here and keep checking if you are being treated fairly. Do not sign anything. Ask him to move out and rent somewhere else. You can ask the solicitor for an interim financial order so that you have money. They are used to dealing with this. Google rights for women and you can also go to citizens advice but as he’s such a high earner you really need a good solicitor.

twoandeights · 26/09/2021 20:36

You will have no problem with the transition. You’ll be better off as you’ll be away from his nastiness and with access to money

JC2021 · 26/09/2021 20:37

@Saladovercrispsanyday

Get yourself a decent lawyer Trust me op - you’re going to be fine

Try to keep it civil
Try not to get emotional
Suggest mediation (we saved a fortune)
Do not get a job until divorce is finalised
Seriously
This is very very important

The lawyer will ask you to give some thought as to expenditure. The level of detail is ridiculous! Think about haircut, after school activities when older, clothes, parties etc

Thank you so much.

When you say get a decent lawyer - how on earth do I know what to look for?

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JC2021 · 26/09/2021 20:38

@Saladovercrispsanyday

Any lawyer not interested is not the right one

Divorce lawyers will be SO experienced with sahms and the financial difficulties

Ah yes.. I agree thank you x
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twoandeights · 26/09/2021 20:39

www.antonyclappsolicitors.co.uk/family-law-solicitors-tunbridge-wells?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgP3X1bGd8wIVV-vtCh0ogg14EAAYASAAEgKBBPD_BwE

These people are in kent and offer a free consultation.
My advice to you is to not buy into the narrative of him deserving all the money. You are a family unit. That money has been earnt because you took the childcare brunt. You are protected by law. Do not sign anything he puts in front of you. Ask for everything in writing. You could get more than 50% and if you are doing the childcare you could stay in the family home. You have rights.

twoandeights · 26/09/2021 20:40

You go see half a dozen for their free advice. Shop around as if you are buying a pair of shoes. You will know the right one when you meet them. They are the one who gets angry on your behalf as to how you’ve been treated. They are in your corner. They tell you they will get you what you are entitled to. You feel supported

JC2021 · 26/09/2021 20:41

@twoandeights

www.antonyclappsolicitors.co.uk/family-law-solicitors-tunbridge-wells?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgP3X1bGd8wIVV-vtCh0ogg14EAAYASAAEgKBBPD_BwE

These people are in kent and offer a free consultation.
My advice to you is to not buy into the narrative of him deserving all the money. You are a family unit. That money has been earnt because you took the childcare brunt. You are protected by law. Do not sign anything he puts in front of you. Ask for everything in writing. You could get more than 50% and if you are doing the childcare you could stay in the family home. You have rights.

Thank you so much
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JC2021 · 26/09/2021 21:18

Would anyone recommend mediation to avoid high legal fees?

I have just read an article that states mediation is the best way to go for a better outcome / less worry about legal expenses.

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RandomMess · 27/09/2021 09:57

I would get solicitor advice, get full financial disclosure then more solicitor advice be realistic about what the courts would award and yes try mediation first.

Maray1967 · 27/09/2021 15:30

Claim the child benefit. You should get the money. DH has to pay the tax- this is what I do. Mine moans about having to do the self assessment but he knows I won’t give it up.

Bex000 · 27/09/2021 15:38

Agree with another poster, most good lawyers provide an initial no cost consultation. Get advice before you do anything.

Ellarain · 27/09/2021 15:44

I've known a few people in your position. The majority of them childminded in their own home to earn some money.

Dacquoise · 27/09/2021 16:33

Hi @JC2021, I was a SAHM when I decided to leave my high earning ex husband. These are my experiences of the process:

Marriage guidance was a waste of time. ExH used it to manipulate the counsellor to see me as the problem. Trying to get me back under control.

Mediation was a waste of time. Mediators don't give legal advice so unless you know what your settlement is likely to be , you could agree to a lot less than you are entitled to. My exH saw all assets as his and was unrealistic about what he could get away with.

I initiated financial court proceedings which seemed to focus him on a settlement. With hindsight the legal advice he was given had probably frightened the life out of him and he wanted to avoid court at all costs.

The legal advice I was given by a solicitor was vague at best, unlikely to result in anything that didn't cost a fortune in legal fees. Beware, my new partner spent £100k divorcing his exW. Most of it on solicitors for very expensive, unnecessary administration. She ended up with a lot less than her legal advice.

The settlement we agreed to between ourselves was both fortuitous and unfair to me. I got around 60% of assets (not huge despite his earnings) and joint lives spousal maintenance with child maintenance included. I also got 50% pension share. Fortuitous in that he arrogantly assumed he would be able to stop the maintenance when it suited him. A court order said otherwise. Unfair in that he manipulated the IFAs report regarding pensions, some of which were final salary. I didn't get 50% and unvested shares not disclosed.

Five years later he decided he didn't want to pay maintenance any more so he moved house, ramped up his mortgage to the max, ramped up his credit cards and tried to renege on our DDs school fees for her final year to try to force my hand. Second court case followed. I wasn't allowed to know his case (which turned out to be ridiculous) and it went to three final hearings.

This time, to save money, I used a solicitor for advice only, represented myself until final hearing. Engaged a direct access barrister and ended up with a clean break final settlement. Best thing I ever did. Barrister was able to tell me what the case was worth if it went to judgement and that's what I focussed on. Advice cost £600 in London.

Now totally free of exH. He no longer sees his DD.

The reason I am telling you all this is that divorce becomes about the money. Him trying to avoid paying, you trying to get what you are entitled to. Try to get a clean break if you can. You can guarantee any maintenance will be challenged later.

It is a huge battle but you must, must, must not roll over and give in. A very good friend of mine has now realised how poor her retirement will be because she didn't pursue pensions from her marriage, accepted a few thousand in savings and that was advice of her solicitor!

JC2021 · 27/09/2021 19:24

@Dacquoise thank you so much for your insights and experience - very interesting

I hate that it becomes about money - my husband is ALL about money so I would expect him to turn nasty

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Dacquoise · 27/09/2021 19:37

Which is why you need to get a good picture of what you are entitled to. Direct access barrister best money I ever spent. You can take out loans for your legal fees. It comes out of the settlement at the end. Partner's exW's legal fees were paid from maritalassets. Also something to consider is the cost of university for your child/children in the future. ExH promised to help DD, he didn't and you are expected to contribute as loans don't cover everything. Get it included in your settlement 😉

JC2021 · 27/09/2021 20:19

@Dacquoise you are so clued up - amazing thanks

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Dacquoise · 27/09/2021 20:24

Happy to share and good luck. Flowers

JC2021 · 02/11/2021 15:09

Husband has said he is not moving out of the family home. We have a spare room and could live separately under the same roof.

Next I need to engage a solicitor. I will do that in next day or 2.

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beautifulview · 02/11/2021 17:30

Then you see a solicitor about getting him out. Is there equity in the house? Could you afford something with half the equity? Force a sale. Get this idiot out of your life

IknowwhatIneed · 02/11/2021 17:41

Move yourself into the spare room then - it clearly states intent and he can’t stop you sleeping where you want to.

sarahonss1 · 02/11/2021 18:04

I did and getting divorced. By Sahm do you mean you have no income?. You will be able to get a lot of help from universal credits. I wouldn’t worry about the expensive of a divorce at the moment unless a financial settlement would benefit massively and you think he will play ball. My divorce so far has cost me £15000 and it hasn’t even gone to court yet. If you go on the website turntoyou I think its called you can see what you would be entitled to. If you start a divorce then you can apply for spousal maintenance if you are the main carer for your child. I’m not totally sure of your situation but feel free to PM!

bothjetplanes · 02/11/2021 18:09

@twoandeights

I have friends who have just divorced. Please don’t rush into part time work before you see a solicitor. This could negatively impact your financial settlement. Get advice before doing anything
You might want to consider how easy it will be to retrain with a young child if you leave vs if you stay- do you have family to provide childcare whilst you retrain? Will your husband look after your chid whilst you retrain if you still live with him?

Is having a secure decently paid job worth trading in some of the financial settlement for?

You also talk about how miserable you are and your social life has curtailed. You can do things to make your life happier before you leave by starting to build up your own life again, even whilst you are living with him.