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Leaving a partner with dementia

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Pamtechnicon · 16/09/2021 12:04

I grew up with dementia: my demented DGM lived with us for years when I was at primary school. Even as a young child I saw how torn and exhausted my DM was, trying to hold everything together and look after our mad granny and her tendency to wander the street in a state of undress or set light to things. In retrospect I can see that me and my siblings were left pretty much to bring ourselves up much of the time while DM tried to look after her DM. Not knocking it, it made us independent, but not ideal.

Life went on. My DP and I met in our 40s and have been together 21 years. It became clear after the first couple of years together that his parents' were declining into confusion and dementia. Our lives became dominated by the need to keep an eye on them and sort their issues out. Whenever we booked to go abroad one or other of them would have a crisis: go missing, have a heart attack, set the kitchen alight, get locked out... DP's DF died first and he wanted his DM to live with us. I said no. She was doubly incontinent and I knew I'd be expected to do all the intimate care and domestic work. Instead I supported him to support her and the family finally agreed that they'd have to pay for a care home. I know you're not supposed to say it but it was a huge relief when she died. I think we both felt as if we'd got our lives back and we had a few really good years.

My partner was offered an early retirement deal in 2019, when he was 63. I was in a position to give up work too. The plan was for us to have a few years travelling and exploring the world free of parental care. Then Covid came along. He seemed to suffer quite badly, being a sociable sort of person. He began to struggle with Zoom and FaceTime: he couldn't remember names and sometimes didn't recognise people. This year it's been noticeable that he tells the same stories again and again and people are beginning to let him know they've heard it before.

Several people have asked me whether he's seen a doctor for tests. No one's mentioned dementia but that's what we're all thinking. He can't remember our dog's name and calls it by the name of a dog he had before I knew him. He gets agitated and confused and shouty over things he has taken in his stride all his life.

He had to go to hospital for an X-ray a couple of weeks ago and because of Covid I couldn't go in with him. It seems he got lost and ended up in a behind-the-scenes service area. He was quite defensive, apparently, when staff tried to help him. One of them phoned me and asked me to go in and help calm him. They thought he had MH issues but when I told them my suspicions they said ah, right, that made sense. When we got home I had a talk with him and told him what I thought was going on and of course he denied it all and was furious and upset and yelled at me and told me I'm the one who's losing it. He's never shouted at me before and it was a taste of how the future is going to be, and I don't want it.

I've talked to our GP who said he'd call DP in for a follow-up on the hospital procedure and assess him when he's there, but the GPs are rushed off their feet trying to cope with more pressing things. I will push but I don't expect much. I'm also trying to prevent DP from driving: I've seen him having little blank moments and it terrifies me.

I really, really don't want to lose another decade of my life to dementia. I want a last bit of independence before I get too old to enjoy spending days exploring foreign cities or walking long-distance footpaths or exploring Europe in a camper van — all things we'd planned to do together but are now out of the question. None of his siblings wanted to be involved looking after their parents. I can't see much help coming from them. DP has an adult DS who's been in the US for the last few years and isn't the type to help.

I'm beginning to feel increasingly certain that I want to get out. I have full-time work for the foreseeable future and enough money and pension coming to mean it'll be possible for me to live relatively comfortably independently. But what kind of partner walks out on someone when they most need support? Am I an utter shit to even be thinking about it?

It's been a loving relationship but he would always, whenever the topic of marriage came up, say that he didn't want to marry again because he didn't want to feel tied down. That suited me. I've been totally independent all my life and I didn't want to be tied down either.

We'd agreed that we'd marry if and when one or the other was gravely or terminally ill, mainly to protect financial interests. But neither of us really wanted to do the 'till death do us part' thing. I suppose in theory this gives me a get-out clause. Has anyone else felt this way? Does anyone know anyone who left a partner with dementia or similar?

The only person I can think of is a distant acquaintance who left her partner after he'd had a major motorbike accident that had left him severely brain-damaged. I can remember people calling her selfish for leaving but I didn't blame her.

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countrygirl99 · 17/09/2021 08:54

Yes. I always assume people who say they would ho to Dignitas etc have never dealt with the reality of early-mid stage dementia.

HarrisonStickle · 17/09/2021 09:14

My friend's father went to Dignitas when he was in the very early stages of dementia. He had capacity and although he had an unspecified time ahead of him before he became really ill, he decided he had to do it then because he wouldn't be able to do it later. It was devestating all round because he was pretty much himself at that point.

I've got the means planned to do it myself if the time comes. My mum, great aunt, great grandmother at least have suffered from dementia so there’s probably more likelihood that I'll get it too.

I wish my poor mum would die soon. Unfortunately, apart from dementia and a couple of other physical health issues, she is in pretty good shape for her age. Her quality of life is much diminished, though.

DontscratchthePRADA · 17/09/2021 10:28

Couldn't he go in to a long term care facility? You could visit him but still have your own life too. It must be a very hard decision to make. X

Zucker · 17/09/2021 10:51

I like that posters aren't trying to gloss over the awfulness of dementia. It truly is an atrocious disease to deal with. Make your plan OP you can't be expected to live through it again.

Bananarice · 17/09/2021 11:12

Op, you are not selfish. He didn't want full commitment when he said no to marriage.

He has blood relatives that can care for him and set up care for him. Tell them about the breakup and your observation regarding his illness. Don't offer them any help passed date x. If they did nothing for their parents because they knew you would step up. They will do the same again with their brother. Treat them like the social services, tell them it is not my job. We are not married.

Candleabra · 17/09/2021 11:38

@Zucker

I like that posters aren't trying to gloss over the awfulness of dementia. It truly is an atrocious disease to deal with. Make your plan OP you can't be expected to live through it again.
I agree. Noone who hasn't been through it understands. It's never portrayed realistically on TV either. Even the 'gritty' dramas, no-one gets it.
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billy1966 · 17/09/2021 12:40

@Pamtechnicon

But social services can't actually make you be a carer.

I'm aware of one local woman with a spare downstairs bedroom who was persuaded to accommodate a friend-of-a-friend's elderly relative for a few days until a care home was sorted out. She was still, reluctantly, looking after her months later because Social Services had decided that the elderly lady was satisfactorily housed and could come off the waiting list. Eventually she had to go to hospital and while she was out her 'host' bundled up all her stuff and put it on the doorstep, locked the house up and went away for a couple of days.

As I said up thread my friend found the social workers absolutely ruthless in their desire to get her uncle off their books and they didn't care how rude of presumptuous they were in the process. My friend blocked them after she was told she was selfish to not give him space in her home, despite her working FT.
Porcupineintherough · 17/09/2021 12:47

@DontscratchthePRADA

Couldn't he go in to a long term care facility? You could visit him but still have your own life too. It must be a very hard decision to make. X
Long term care facilities are very expensive so he'd to be incredibly wealthy to fund more than a couple of years. And he's not yet affected enough for adult services to fund this if his money were to run out.
bilbodog · 17/09/2021 12:51

OP i understand where you are coming from - my father had dementia and i didnt even have to deal with him every day - he lived near my sister. I am so sorry you have had to deal with this illness so much in your life and i hope you manage to get away from it and get to enjoy some wonderful travels.

headintheproverbial · 17/09/2021 12:56

At least get him seen. There can be all sorts of things going on - I remember my mother being terrified something similar was happening with my stepfather and it turned out to be an odd reaction to an existing medication he was on. All resolved and no dementia.

If you don't care for him who will? Does he have money for care? Not that I'm saying you have to be the one but what is his reality going to be?

Ozanj · 17/09/2021 13:32

You aren’t married so you are within your rights to leave and in your position I would do it. You’ve had a rotten time of it and need a bit of time to do the things you want. Your OH will probably be better taken care of if he has no dependants - he’ll get a nice home etc. I’ve seen it myself. Those without carers to take on burdens always seem to get everything fast tracked for them.

Ludoole · 17/09/2021 14:07

My dad was diagnosed with 2 forms of dementia in his 50s. He lived til he was 70 and it was gruelling and heartbreaking caring for him.
I'm pretty sure I couldn't go through that again especially with a partner. I dread the thought that I may get it and have already had discussions with my 2 sons and my dp that they walk away from me if I do get it. That's my personal choice.

zafferana · 17/09/2021 14:20

One other thing that might make you feel a bit better about this is OP is have you thought about what your DP would do if it were YOU instead of him that is showing early signs of dementia? Since he was so keen not to be tied down to you, I'm guessing he wouldn't be putting on his plastic apron and gloves and doing the doting Florence Nightingale act either.

Dontbekatty · 17/09/2021 14:22

It’s awful to read all these posters who have made drastic plans with partners and family in the event of them getting dementia.
It shouldn’t be like this. But once you’ve experienced it, there’s no way on gods earth you’d want to go through it. Or anyone you love to go through it with you.
And as others point out, at the stage where it gets too challenging to handle, you’ve more than likely lost capacity to make any decision or even know how to end your own life effectively.

Op, lots of us here get how hard this all is and sympathise hugely with you having to make this decision. There’s not enough support at all out there.

JoborPlay · 17/09/2021 14:36

Dementia is a horrible disease. It robs not only the person of themselves but their loved ones of a life too.

I wouldn't blame you for leaving, even if you were married.

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BudrosBudrosGalli · 17/09/2021 17:58

My viewpoint may be less decisive if it were a different disease, such as for example, cancer, especially one with a shorter treatment plan. However, I still do not think anyone should be expected to provide care, in particular, if the partner hasn’t been prepared to fully commit to a marriage. The OP nor anyone else needs to explain themselves.

Dementia is a cruel, disease that does rob the sufferer of their dignity, their life experiences, and their loved ones. The strain on any family member caring for them is immense, very often their entire personality changes, mostly for the worse. It’s not just forgetting and no longer recognising those around them, as some films sentimentally show. My best friend cared for her grandmother and it was horrendous, a once proud and very neat lady begun shitting herself and the bed, almost on a daily basis. She had horrendous nightmares and spent night after night screaming in terror. I do think if people had the awareness in time before the disease takes a hold, they probably would wish for a quick and dignified end.

I am technically in favour of assisted suicide. However, a big worry is how this might be exploited and abused. I am not even talking about the extreme end of this, such as ‘involuntary euthanasia’ during the Third Reich, which was wholesale, systematic mass murder of incurably ill, physically or mentally disabled, emotionally distraught, and elderly people for what was coined an economic benefit for the greater good. However, we have seen how underfunding and misuse of money has wreaked havoc with the NHS and the rising cost of care homes. I am concerned that with a wider push for voluntary euthanasia that there might be some coercion and pressure on vulnerable people.

BlackPuddingfor2 · 17/09/2021 18:02

You have reached a point where you are unhappy
So, you could end the relationship now & live on your own, meet some new people
You could rent/buy the camper van
You could go on more holidays abroad

Someone older once told me to travel when young & healthy

I love travelling, so I say take the travel option

BlackPuddingfor2 · 17/09/2021 18:07

I am going to add that the statistics show that modern medecine is keeping people living longer with multiple & complex illnesses. More people are living to be 100+, but not always in good health

I sympathise

Daleksatemyshed · 17/09/2021 18:58

No judgement from me Op, I looked after my DM for six years and Dementia is the pits. Before her illness I had no idea how utterly stressful this illness can be, I thought of it in terms of memory loss and a bit of confusion- how wrong I was. I managed some how because it was my DM but I know I couldn't do it again. Be kind to your DP but don't let SS drag you in to being a carer, they have no compassion for the people doing the caring, they think of nothing but their budget. I wish you all the luck in the world

MsJinks · 18/09/2021 21:11

Yes, don’t get trapped there - had social worker asking my mum if she wanted less care as she pays for it - as it’s capped at £424 per week, but carers cost £25 an hour apparently via the council, then dropping one carer from the calls or both from one call would mean she is paying the same for less care that she actually needs. Good job I could be there as well as she was taking just my mum’s words down about her capabilities and everything and I had visions of a considerable cut.
The only reason I am so insistent this time on a very full package is as I ended up stuck at my parents’ home caring 24/7 for 3 weeks as both dr for my dad and social for my mum pressured that I should stay after I had to turn up urgently to sort some meds and found I couldn’t leave - I couldn’t even eat there really especially not imminently, as I’m coeliac but that didn’t phase anyone! Their jobs done and onto the next. Sadly really they both ended up in hospital and I’ve since sorted care differently- I was exhausted as it was relentless day and night and whilst it was physical there was limited dementia but I know I couldn’t do that long, I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect someone to manage with an odd hour of sleep here and there for starters, let alone the rest, however heartless it sounds to others. Anyway that direct experience taught me a lot. Hope you’re getting sorted OP.

EmotionalSupportBear · 18/09/2021 21:33

yanbu, and you have every right to make that decision.

Not everyone is made for caring for a parent or partner, and no-one should feel forced to.

My FIL had Dementia, and one of my SIL's ended up doing the caring, and i honestly, hand on heart, couldn't do it... my mom bless her has already made it clear she would never expect it of me either and told me if ever she becomes ill that she needs a carer, that i am to hand her off to a care home.

Don't let anyone elses thoughts or opinions on your personal situation make you feel bad, 'selfish' is such an awful word.. no-one is obliged to give up their life to look after anyone else.