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Emotionally unavailable parents & healing

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GraceLondon91 · 16/09/2021 11:03

I am in my early 30s and was brought up in a financially stable, 2 parent home, provided for with everything needed physically. However, I now realise no emotional or mental support at all, & what I now feel was a very damaging environment.

It took me a long time to see things this way for several reasons - partly because my mother was constantly telling me how spoilt & fortunate I was for what they gave me, how much better my childhood was than hers etc, & partly because from the outside & on paper my childhood looked good

However, I was never a happy child or teenager, & as an adult I can see why & identify many things that at the time I believed 'normal' that contributed to this. For example, my parents (who are still together now), seemed to hate each other - constant arguing, sometimes shouting, my mother was extremely controlling of my father, very passive aggressive if things didn't go her way - which created a constant atmosphere of unease & negativity. I have never once in 33 years seen them embrace, kiss (even on the cheek), show any affection towards each other or say I love you. Again as a child I think I subconsciously believed all grown up relationships were like this. Many times I thought/feared as a young child they would get divorced but they didn't - both hate change & neither are proactive.

Our home was always very quiet, not much laughter or love, & no discussion whatsoever of feelings or emotions, if I ever confided/complained about anything I was told I was spoilt. We were not allowed to have friends over without asking first, & while this isn't strange in itself, I believe it was because of my parents way that they are different people around others, than they were at home. putting on a show etc, much more positive voice, acting 'happy' when behind closed doors it was silence & bad moods. As a result I spent a lot of a time as a teenager at friends homes with open door policies and parents who ate dinner together as a family every night. We never ate dinner together during the week & my mother never cooked, her reason was always that 'she worked' so we should have toast, whereas our other 'spoilt' friends who had stay at home Mums could have cooked meals, & that we had cooked food at school. For reference she worked 3 days a week until 5. I hope this doesn't come across as ungrateful, but I think it helps explain the scene. I hated Christmas, family holidays etc as they were always like this - quiet, silence, lack of enthusiasm & arguments. There was always financial strain/guilt (despite them being comfortably off) put onto children & we were never told that they were proud. They were very judgmental of other people, extremely strict about how things 'should be done' & so much overthinking. If we as children/teens ever made 'mistakes' these were held over our heads for years to come. I have never once heard my mother apologise to me for anything ever, sorry is not in her dictionary & if there is a disagreement she simply doesn't talk and then pretends it never happened.

I grew up to be extremely emotional & was told from a young age I was 'over dramatic' 'spoilt' or 'over sensitive' if I ever expressed emotion - labels which I still get in adulthood from my family. I also had traumas happen to me, 2 very close friends passing away at very young ages, after which there was no discussion ever, no acknowledgement & one lone therapy session. after that they did not believe in therapy & this was never spoken about again, despite that as an adult I still struggle with these losses

As I left home I met my own 'people' & realised that there were other emotional & sensitive people out there like me, people who like to talk, discuss, self improve, improve relationships & see the world in a more positive way. It took me a long time to shake off the negativity bias & fearful view of the world of my childhood, but I now am a positive person, a dreamer, someone who goes after what they want in life. I live my own independent life now, with physical distance from my family & I am married, but they still expect to be very involved in my life

I have found it very difficult to still manage the relationship with my parents as I have a lot of hurt & they are still very controlling, negative & judgmental. They have views on how life should be lived which are not the same as mine, for example I moved away from where I'm from & they constantly ask when we will move back, when the reality is we hope to keep moving, even further away. They expect to visit us for weeks at a time, to be entertained, yet sit in silence the whole time, don't show interest in my life & still feel like they should control our time. For example, I am expected to attend all family gatherings no matter what, not respected with my own time & energy. When I have asked they come for a shorter amount of time they get extremely nasty, upset but there is never any room for discussion of feelings etc. I feel extremely manipulation & emotional guilt from my childhood, if my mother is annoyed with me (which she regularly withdraws love based on my having done something she doesn't like) or out of contact I get extreme panic, & I feel extreme people pleasing tendencies towards them, even though logically I don't value their opinion or judgement, yet that fear/attachment from childhood remains. the unfortunate reality is I don't enjoy spending time with them at all. I had a period of acute & serious illness for 3 years as a young adult & they never provided emotional support/even ask how I felt/am which has added to my detachment

I am now expecting my first child in December & find I am thinking of & affected so much by this with my parents & struggling - as I don't want my childhood to impact how I am as a parent, & don't want to be struggling between being the parent/wife I want to be & still struggling with feeling the need to please/seek approval from my parents. The hardest thing is that my mother is very self righteous and thinks she is a perfect parent, there is no room to discuss improving our relationship etc. Although they show little enthusiasm, I know they will expect to be very involved with my baby, as she often talks about how grandparents are entitled to time etc in terms of her friends, & they are so unfulfilled in their own lived, sitting in silence at ours is more appealing.

I am interested to hear if anyone has been able to heal from their childhood having their own children, create independence & stop being so affected/impacted by their parents.

OP posts:
GraceLondon91 · 16/09/2021 11:09

I should also mention I feel physically unwell when around them/in the lead up to seeing them

OP posts:
Artdecolover · 16/09/2021 11:10

Check out the stately homes thread on mn
Read toxic parents by Susan forward
And fgs get some boundaries involved before your child arrives
Your mother may become even more unpleasant once you have a child of your own
You owe these people nothing
Therapy might also help

Artdecolover · 16/09/2021 11:10

FOG: FEAR, OBLIGATION, GUILT

VerveClique · 16/09/2021 11:22

I can 100% relate to ALL of this.

When I had DC 1 I was still very much in the way of wanting to please them, hoping they would change, hoping THIS thing would be THE thing that would make them see the light and finally show some affection. That's not to say I thought having a DC would have made a different, there were so many things I did that I thought would make them change. I've graduated! They'll love me now, surely. I've lived abroad! Surely that will make them proud. A Masters! I'm a good daughter, aren't I?

Nothing changed. In fact, it got worse. I had always assumed my DM would 'be there' for me when I had my own DC. She wasn't. She wouldn't go near my DD basically. Was uncomfortable holding her even. I figured out it was actually my own DF that did a lot of the childcare when I was growing up.

VERY long story short but I really examined everything I knew about my DM. She was very emotionally neglected as a child, and possibly abused. She had a horrible love/hate relationship with her own DM that I was exposed to as a child. Her justification for everything was 'no-one ever did that for me'. I very seriously think my DF enables her for a quiet life.

I began to think of her like a distant aunt. Someone I'm fond of, related to, but not emotionally reliant on.

That helped.

And really I then spend a good few years grieving the relationship that was just never going to be there.

I'm probably a few years past even that now.

Don't underestimate how hard it is to grieve for something around a person who is still alive, and actually reasonably involved in your life.

Mumsnet helped massively.

I wish you love and luck.

coffeeisthebest · 16/09/2021 11:38

I would recommend 'The body never lies' by Alice Miller. Game changing for me. Your body remembers what you went through and seeks to heal the wounded child within, which is absolutely possible as an adult. I wish you luck OP, it seems to me your body is giving you very strong signals.

noirchatsdeux · 16/09/2021 11:58

I could have written 99% of your post. The only difference is that (probably) thanks to my childhood being the way it was made me never want children of my own. I have two brothers, we are all now in our 50s and they haven't had children either. In fact my older brother has told his wife that he has no happy memories of his childhood.

@VerveClique Her justification for everything was 'no-one ever did that for me' God yes, totally my mother too...her whole mantra during my childhood seemed to be 'I had it hard, why shouldn't you' Horrible. My mother even tried to play Top Trumps when I had cancer, even going as far to say - when my younger brother asked me in front of her how painful was my chemo - that 'having 3 children was more painful'....

Like you OP, the main thing that has helped me is moving as far away as humanly possible from my mother...I deliberately moved to the other side of the world 27 years ago. I've only seen my mother 3 times since then, for a total of about 3 months. I've not been back for 12 years now, and thanks to Covid it's probably going to be at least a couple more years. My mother turns 80 soon and there's a chance I probably won't see her again...I wish I could say I was sorry about that but I'm not. Like VerveClique I have already mourned someone who is still alive.

Artdecolover · 16/09/2021 12:06

Check out gabor mate too
Lots of stuff on physical effects of trauma/neglect

GraceLondon91 · 16/09/2021 15:08

thank you so very much everyone I can't tell you how helpful this is to hear. does anyone have the situation where there parents think they are great parents & actually want to spend a lot of time with them - because this is what I struggle with... I wish I could move away and see them less, but they want to see me... but then just sit in silence/judge/negative energy

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Porcupineintherough · 16/09/2021 15:18

You need to learn to stand up to your parents. They'll never understand or agree with your perspective but you do need to be able to say "no"
lay down some boundaries and mean it, whether or not they agree with you and- importantly- not feel badly about yourself for doing so.

Have you thought about counselling? Having your own children will make you really reflect on your parents and having someone to unpick it all with you and help you change your response to them might really help.

Dinosworeatus · 16/09/2021 15:22

I haven't but I'm in the middle of it. I have advice for when your baby comes.

If you can, wait until discharged from hospital before telling them you've given birth as they they will sound like they'll rock up on your doorstep as you yourself are coming through the door with baby! Mine told my siblings which I'll never forgive my NSDM for.

Learn to say No.

If possible, get breastfeeding established before they're visit, if you they do. Listening to my NSDMs advice contributed to my breastfeeding supply issues which I never could resolve and ended up mostly formula feeding.

My NSDM has actually got worse since I gave birth. I wish I had stronger resolve not to call her etc but I always do as I don't really have many other options. My sisters are too busy with their own lives unless it suits them!!!

HangingChads · 16/09/2021 15:42

I can relate to this so strongly although mine don't come to visit for long periods. They expect me to go to them and I just don't now. Since my DD was born 4 years ago it's actually made my relationship with them and my mum in particular more difficult. They always told me they loved me and I used to assume I was a bad person for how they treated me, but now I have DD I just cannot comprehend how they could treat me that way if they did in fact love me. It's apparently common for childhood trauma to resurface/worsen when your own DC get to the age where you suffered.

My parents try very hard with DD and maybe see it as a second chance? I don't know. I want them and her to have a good relationship but I'm always in control of how much they see her. DH is on my side which helps.

Things that help me now - trying to accept that we will never have the relationship I want, and instead being grateful for what we do have. Learning to be free and independent of their drama/influence. Reducing contact a bit and having it more on my terms. Keeping all interaction light and breezy. A self compassion course (free, it's available on an app called 26k).

Gerwurtztraminer · 16/09/2021 20:27

@GraceLondon91

thank you so very much everyone I can't tell you how helpful this is to hear. does anyone have the situation where there parents think they are great parents & actually want to spend a lot of time with them - because this is what I struggle with... I wish I could move away and see them less, but they want to see me... but then just sit in silence/judge/negative energy
Have a good look her OP, go back a few pages and read on. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/4265761-June-2021-Well-we-took-you-to-Stately-Homes

As for "they want to see you". Well too bad, you don't want to see them. So do whatever it takes to cut or reduce contact.

  • Don't proactively contact them. No emails, no phone calls.
  • Don't tell them anything about events about your life. If they ask, be vague. The more they know, the more they will interfere. Agree with poster who says delay telling them when baby is born. Be clear they cannot come to see baby until you say so, and when they do they can't stay in your house (hotel or B&B or they don't come)
  • Don't reply to messages. Or if you can't go that far, delay replies and stretch out the time it takes to get back to them. Get them used it you not being immediately available
  • Keep responses short and vague. "All going well thanks", "That sounds interesting", "sorry to hear that"
  • Do not tell them anything about your feelings, positive or negative but especially if you are unhappy. Again be vague, everything is "fine", "good" and "going OK". The more you say, the more ammo they have to criticise and accuse.
  • If they keep asking about things like when are you moving back, and you can't face being blunt and honest (we aren't, ever) be vague "no plans at the moment but who knows what the future holds".
  • Turn down invitations to family events. Don't give reasons. If you get challenged, and can't ignore it, simply put on repeat "we can't make it". No reasons, no excuses, no arguing about what's more important.

Most importantly -
Don't invite them to stay. If they ask to come, say no.
If you can't yet do that, put them off, be vague about dates and never confirm anything. If you simply can't yet refuse altogether, be clear when is suitable for you, and how long they can stay. Put it in writing and insist they acknowledge they know that. Don't give a reason. Repeat dates frequently.
-If you do let them stay, spend lots of time going out of the house. Leave them behind if they don't want to go with you. No more 'entertaining'. Baby will be the focus.

As the others have said, it will be hard to shake off the FOG and years of compliance, but if you don't you will always remain that frightened sad little girl, miserably trying to please parents who will never be happy no matter what you do. Plus you now have a child to protect. Don't let them see how badly their grandparent treats their mother (less alone what they may do to damage your child as well)

GraceLondon91 · 17/09/2021 15:48

SO SO helpful!!!!! thank you everyone

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HowYouDoinnn · 17/09/2021 15:56

Wow this is me! I gave birth last year and ever since then a lot of things from my childhood have resurfaced. I'm now feeling so much anger towards my parents. Very similar situation to you- I seemingly had everything I could possibly need...except being listened to.

StarCat2020 · 17/09/2021 16:48

@GraceLondon91
I have sat here and read your entire OP and i honestly thought that I had written it myself.

It is fucking tragic and awful and no-one understands it IRL even if you try and explain it.

As @Gerwurtztraminer says in her post as little contact is the only way of preserving your mental health and making the most of your life.

Are you 30 years old (you put 91 in your name)?

If you are please salvage as much of the rest of your life as you can as soon as you can and don't leave it until you are 42 like me.

Please take care sweetheart (and the rest of you as well)!

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