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What’s the solution to our Bedroom/Sleeping situation?

47 replies

SleepWoes · 09/09/2021 09:35

Sorry this is long!
In short: OH terrible snorer, no spare room, do I ask OH to convert his 'office' into bedroom or is there a better solution?

My partner and I have been together for 15 years and have three children, 12, nine and four.

In all that time we’ve only really slept in the same bed for a combined total of about two years.
The reasons being his terrible snoring – which made me move to the spare room when our first born was six months old and I couldn’t take his snoring on top of our daughter’s frequent waking.

I moved back in when our first was about two. He then moved to the spare room nine-ish months later when our second was born as she disturbed him. (She was breastfed so there wasn’t much he could do to help in the night and I was happy with the arrangement.)

That was nearly nine years ago and we’ve never slept in the same bed again since bar a couple of nights away!

We’ve since had a third child who’s four.

So there’s five of us and we live in a five bedroom house, but one of the rooms is his work /office/hobby room.
My oldest two children have a bedroom each, OH is in the spare room and I’m in the master with our four year old.
The four year old was probably my worst sleeper yet and so until recently it worked best having him with me as we all got better sleep that way. But now he’s mostly sleeping through and it’d be good for him to have his own room and space, so make the spare room his room.

But OH still snores horrifically. It was bad enough when I only had one child, but now with three, for which I do all of the early morning stuff/drop offs etc, I’m constantly tired and sleep is so very precious and I honestly get anxious at the thought of OH disturbing my sleep all night long. Plus he goes to bed several hours later than me and I get up several hours earlier than him, so we would be disturbing each other a lot.

I’ve tried earplugs in the past which I find very unpleasant to wear, plus I’d be worried I might miss my kids crying or the alarm etc. He’s inquired about investigations into the snoring and thinks he might have sleep apnoea but nothing has come of it.

What do we do?

Part of me would like to go back to sleeping together, at least part time, we basically have no sex life and this would help! But I get more sleep with a four year old kicking me and waking up several times per night than I ever did sleeping with him.

We already extended the house so there’s no space (or funds!) for an extension.

The solutions as I see it are:

A. He moves back into the main bedroom and I just suck it up and have disturbed sleep and end up tired, bitter and resentful.
B. We get bunk beds or a large bed for four year old’s room (currently spare room) and he part time to potentially full time shares with him when his snoring is awful (the kids don’t seem bothered by his snoring – they’ve shared when we’ve been on holiday)
C. He changes up his ‘work room’ and adds a bed somehow.

D. We get a sofa bed for the living room – doesn’t seem like a good long term solution and the children and I would wake him up in the mornings.

This isn’t really about how good a partner/father he is but it’s relevant to say that he never gets up to do/help with school mornings or any mornings so he’s pretty much always asleep when we get up. He usually leaves for work at about 10/11 and it’s rare he’s back for later than 5ish so there’s no reason he couldn’t. This makes me less sympathetic to his sleep needs and feel I should get priority to be honest, is that selfish?

I really think the best option would be C –he sorts out his work/play room and adds a bed somehow and moves in there.
At the moment is is pretty full –it’s a decent sized double bedroom but not massive. It has a massive desk that it full of his hobby stuff, which honestly he doesn’t even do anymore. He has another computer desk on a second wall, and storage on the other two walls. As it stands now there’s nowhere to put a bed. But I reckon he could get one of the high sleeper beds and then have a desk under it, but it might mean getting rid of the massive hobby desk. Plus he’s tall so it’d probably be in the way.

I haven’t even suggested this to him as I think I’m probably being unreasonable. I don’t want it to feel like I’m banishing him to his work room, though he spends a lot of time there by choice.

Perhaps I’m a little resentful of his work/play room. I partake in craft type hobbies a lot more than him and I manage to make do with the dining table/playroom. Plus it’s a place he can disappear and hide from the kids, might as well make use of it and turn into a bedroom too?

It would be quite a bit of work though, and I think it could be damaging to our relationship to suggest it?

I don’t see another long-term solution though. And although I don’t really mind sharing with the four year old at the moment, I think it’s probably best for him that he has his own space soon.

OP posts:
TheGirlCat · 09/09/2021 12:12

Time for you both, as a couple, to make another appoint with the Dr then, and go in as a couple and discuss it.

Planty13 · 09/09/2021 12:20

100% he needs to sort “his” room. He effectively has two rooms while your 4 year old has no space of their own? He must see this coming surely?

chesirecat99 · 09/09/2021 12:22

Option E
He pushes for investigations into obstructive sleep apnoea with his GP or gets a private assessment, if you can afford it. OSA is often left undiagnosed and can have serious long term health implications, increasing the risk of stroke and heart disease.

You can get an at home test for a few hundred pounds using a private service. They aren't as reliable as an in-lab sleep study but it will be quicker and cheaper.

If he is just a snorer, he might want to consider a mandibular advancement device. Custom made ones are most effective (and most comfortable) but they are expensive. You can get OTC MADs for about £20 online or in Boots. He could try some cheap ones to see if there is any improvement. They can be uncomfortable and a bit painful at first (like braces) so it is best to only wear it for a few hours then build up to a whole night until the side effects wear off.

There are other treatments for snoring that he could also investigate, devices/pillows to stop you sleeping on your back or straps to stop the chin falling open etc

This is a good site for info on sleep apnoea:
sleep-apnoea-trust.org/sleep-apnoea-trust-list-nhs-sleep-clinics-uk/

Bimblybomeyelash · 09/09/2021 12:25

He currently has two of the bedrooms! That’s ridiculous when you have a 4 year old without a bedroom! Whichever of his rooms is bigger should be his bedroom/hobbyroom/office and the 4 year old would get the other room.

LittleMysSister · 09/09/2021 12:29

Have you tried loud white noise played through the night?

My DP snores and I use a rain/thunderstorm app played via a bluetooth speaker to drown him out. I love the rain noises and his snoring just blends in so it's not constantly waking me up.

He also has shared a room with his kids and the snoring doesn't wake them either, so you're not alone there.

LittleMysSister · 09/09/2021 12:34

It still wouldn't solve the problem of the mismatched bedtime/wake up time but I know that's a whole other issue!

Is this not a good thing though? If you're getting a few hours of undisturbed sleep before he even comes up?

Also re the guitars, you can get holders you can put on the wall so he could hang them there, taking up less space. My friend has these :)

chesirecat99 · 09/09/2021 12:39

He tried strips and mouth guards and such but they didn't help.

Did he try different positions (extensions) with the mouth guards? Has he tried a tongue retaining device? Does he drink alcohol regularly in the evenings (even just a small amount) or take any medications?

Twatterati · 09/09/2021 12:42

Would he and all his 'hobby' stuff fit in the master bedroom and you have the 'spare' double room?

My parents had a similar issue re snoring and found two single beds in the master worked for them - they pushed them apart depending on how noisy the snoring was!

Good luck, snorers are such a pain!

Sunshineandflipflops · 09/09/2021 12:42

Yes, I have the guitar wall holders too.

To be honest, this doesn't sound like much of a marriage to me. You don't sleep together and by the sounds of it, don't want to and he doesn't help with the kids in the mornings for no reason at all (I am amazed you managed to have 3 kids under the circumstances)!

He must be aware that your youngest will need a room of their own in the near future so it can't be a complete surprise when you bring this up, surely?

Famousinlove · 09/09/2021 12:54

I would look into getting one of those beds that fold into a desk for the spare room

EccentricaGalumbits · 09/09/2021 12:56

Everyone gets a room.

If he's got too much shit to fit in one, that's 100% his problem to sort out, either by getting rid of some of it or dealing with his snoring so you're willing to share a bed with him.

Please don't take on any more responsibility here and try to solve his problems, you do more than enough already!

LittleMysSister · 09/09/2021 12:59

@Twatterati

Would he and all his 'hobby' stuff fit in the master bedroom and you have the 'spare' double room?

My parents had a similar issue re snoring and found two single beds in the master worked for them - they pushed them apart depending on how noisy the snoring was!

Good luck, snorers are such a pain!

Does this help?! I feel like that would just wind me up more because I couldn't quickly elbow OH or make him roll over.

Surely your parents can still hear the snoring if they're in the same room? It must be quite slight if pushing beds apart helps.

NoYOUbekind · 09/09/2021 13:05

5 people, 5 bedrooms - one each feels like a no-brainer. He can rejig the office/hobbies space to suit himself that way.

But also please please do get him down the GPs. That level of sleep disturbance could very well be sleep apnoea which isn't something to ignore. My DH has it, we sleep together but he has a CPAP machine.

LastGirlSanding · 09/09/2021 13:06

It’s such an easy fix that it’s kind of worrying you’re even questioning it. There’s four of you currently sharing three bedrooms and mr can’t be arsed to get up in the morning has two all to himself.

Tell him to sort it out, get a bed in his play hobby whatever room and give his child a bedroom to use - so you also can have some space! You’re the only one (aside from your littlest) who doesn’t have her own space in this arrangement and he has two the selfish bugger.

Aprilinspringtimeshower · 09/09/2021 13:20

WRT sleep apnoea…is he drowsy during the day? Nodding off when sitting down and relaxing?
IME, I knew there was a significant problem when partner would drop off in middle of a important conversation, or even while chewing food. Even then I had to push hard with doctors to get him tested (he had mental health issues so wasn’t good at pushing for himself). Once he was in system he was seen very quickly and tested. Once on the CPAP the change was astonishing…I think he must have had it for years but like you we slept apart due to his snoring so I’d not realised until his daytime drowsiness got bad.
If he drives a lot you need to push for testing. You aren’t allowed to dirve with diagnosis by DVLA until you have it in control with CPAP. If you think he does have it then potentially he is breaking the law when he drives.

shethatmustnot · 09/09/2021 13:33

Mouth guards and the like are indeed useless for serious snorers, but have you enquired about surgery?

There's a procedure where they scrape away some of the soft tissue at the back of the throat to enlarge and firm up the airway. My DH had it done and it has been miraculous. He was a truly extraordinary snorer - made worse by being overweight, but even losing weight didn't solve it. The surgery did though, completely. It changed our lives.

TreeSmuggler · 09/09/2021 13:35

I agree with the above, there's five people and five bedrooms. How each person chooses to outfit and arrange their room is up to them.

I'm not suprised your kids, especially the youngest, can sleep through the snoring. My dc are young and share a room, if one of them wakes up screaming in the night, the other rarely wakes. Same in the car, one can be crying loudly, the other will drift off to sleep. Weird but that's kids for you.

JenniferAllisonPhillipaSue · 09/09/2021 14:45

I'm with the others, your DH gets allocated just ONE room and has to equip for sleeping, working, and whatever hobbies he has. The eight guitars can all be hung on the wall. If he needs more filing space, he can have a cabin bed or high sleeper.

KineticSand · 09/09/2021 14:55

Another one here with a snoring DP. We have completely given up on sleeping in the same room.

On holiday this year he ended up in with DC who can no longer sleep through the snoring either! They could as babies but not now.

DP on floor of holiday cottage living room!

For you OP it's option C. Your sleep is precious.

BronwenFrideswide · 09/09/2021 14:56

@Peanutsandchilli

4 year old gets their own room. Your husband gets an appointment with the GP and a single bed to put in his office, which he needs to clear out and rearrange.

I sympathise though, my husband's a snorer too.

Yes to this.

Make the GP appointment, if he has sleep apnoea it needs to be addressed urgently and it can be. Sleep apnoea means he is never sleeping properly and could explain the late nights and inability to get up in the morning.

AnnaDyne · 09/09/2021 16:45

It's plainly C op. I think it's a bit petty of him to moan about his 8 guitars and the gaming stuff. He needs to work out how to fit a bed in there and how to house his 8 guitars. Don't offer to have them in your bedroom! They're his problem.

I think he needs to seriously try to sort his snoring out. It's pretty selfish of him not to tbh. Don't give up your room, none of your dcs should give up their room! And definitely don't share a room with him.

mrsbyers · 09/09/2021 17:03

Push him to go back to the doctor , if he needs to lose weight encourage that , if he drinks a lot get him to cut down. My husband snores terribly even after surgery so I wear earplugs if we are forced to share a room and otherwise sleep apart ( I wear earplugs in my own room and have never missed an alarm or call)

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