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Being vulnerable in a relationship. What does it mean? What does it look like?

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SmallSilverElephant · 06/09/2021 08:39

OK I've posted here before about dire relationship history and I need some information please 🙂.

Brief background -

I'm nearly 47. Have a history of emotional and physical abuse. One parent is dead and the other I've had no contact with for 10 years.

Prior to this, I had 'boyfriends' but they were all very short term and abusive including one long term 'relationship' with a man who was my best friend at school - very compatible as friends, no compatibility as a partner. Relationship was loveless and sexless (aside from functional sex to conceive). We lived as friends/housemates until this itself became toxic and he fell in love with someone and we split up. We've always remained amicable and have co parented well.

Losing one parent/going no contact with the other and my relationship ending all happened with a few weeks of each other 10 years ago. It gave me a real chance to start again and I felt so free and light!

When I was a teen/young adult, I had no idea what a relationship looked like. I would argue and verbally fight with boyfriends. I was always on the defensive. If they weren't cruel or unkind, I felt apprehensive and on edge, like I was waiting for it to happen because that's all 'love' had looked like to me. For many years, I believe that if someone was shouting, hitting, snarling at me it meant they felt something but I knew it wasn't love at the same time. I think I was just seeking proof that i was unlovable to everyone. Kind, gentle, 'loving' men made me feel a bit angry and repulsed because it meant they didn't care. I treated them with contempt because I didn't believe anyone could love me or have feelings for me so I believed they were almost mocking me by being with me and had no self respect. I felt shame and embarrassment for them. I ended up completely internalising the idea that I was fundamentally unlovable and behaved and treated others accordingly. I had no empathy. Being in a 'relationship' with my best friend worked because there were no 'feelings' attached to it. Through therapy I've learnt that 'love' can be problematic - we can end up craving it but also be repulsed by the idea of it.

When it all ended 10 years ago, I realised things had to change. I'd previously had counselling and therapy but I was always looking for answers they were never going to give me (eg why was I unlovable? How could I become loveable?) It hadn't occurred to me that I'd become that way through life experience. Nothing they said made sense to me and I felt frustrated by it. I decided that needed to change.

I had therapy. I've had several lots of therapy since. It's helped a lot but there are somethings I've still not managed to overcome.

And I've still not become loveable!

I'm kinder than i was, to myself and others. I've learnt and developed empathy. Many people have described me as the kindest and loveliest person they know. My children are hugely empathetic and have been recognised for their kindness and emotional maturity many times so I know I've got that sorted.

I take time for myself. I have hobbies and interests now - i have self care sorted.

I overhauled my appearance. Physically, I'm attractive. I see that and it's recognised by others - I have that sorted.

I'm sociable and approachable now - I have friends, I go out, I talk to people. I appear/am (?) confident and self assured. People warm to me - I think I have that sorted.

I still get asked out by men. But I've never had a fulfilling or successful relationship.

I understand part of that is because I'm older and there are fewer men out there but I meet single men, I get asked out, I date... but i still haven't managed to progress to a relationship. And no one has ever fallen in love with me.

I keep being told I need to let myself be vulnerable. And, tbh, I don't know what that means or would look like. Being vulnerable when i was younger meant weak. It meant people (my parents) having ammunition against me. I battened down the hatches and have fought my way through life. In the past 10 years, not aggressively. But quietly. Raised voices terrify me. I don't 'argue' with anyone.

I find it difficult to express my needs because my needs were never important and it feels demanding. But most importantly, I don't know how to be vulnerable. Or what it means.

I'm no longer in survival mode. But it's like i don't know how to 'live'.

What does being vulnerable look like?

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crackofdoom · 06/09/2021 22:02

Hello, back again. So, I’m 47 too. Emotionally neglectful/ abusive parents and undiagnosed autism ( one symptom of which is emotional immaturity) combined to lead me into a string of unhealthy/ abusive relationships well into my 30s and 40s. I had low self esteem and really no idea what a healthy relationship is.

I have worked a LOT on my self awareness and boundaries, and think I’m now clued up enough not to get involved with any tossers….however, you do end up being pretty harsh due to previous trauma, and certainly don’t give any potential partners the benefit of the doubt! I have realised that keeping unhealthy relationships out of my life is not, sadly, the same as welcoming healthy relationships INTO my life.

Unfortunately, a lifetime of not being loved does bring its trauma with it. What I have noticed about women who get those living, healthy relationships is that they’re not scared to ask for them. And what that means is that they will pursue the object of their desire, flirt with them, be clear that they’re interested. You read it on here- women saying “I tell my OH all the time how lucky he is to have found me”. I think- wow, where has that confidence, that self belief come from?? Instead, I realise I’m pretty avoidant, and crave being chased because it’s a sign that a man is really into me ( or that he enjoys the chase 🙄).

I also think that your average NT woman strokes your average NT man’s ego a LOT, without even being aware she’s doing it, and that, of course, will make him love her.

SmallSilverElephant · 06/09/2021 22:28

crackofdoom

Wow

We could be the same person!

I was diagnosed with HFA at 40 but I don't want to think that autism is what is going to stop me from having relationships.

Instead, I realise I’m pretty avoidant, and crave being chased because it’s a sign that a man is really into me

I do recognise this in myself.

I think it's like all other social relationships. I find it really easy at a superficial level but struggle to take them to the next level.

I'm also not very good at telling when people like me. I can tell when they don't but like and indifference look very similar.

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