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Your opinions please ?

16 replies

KimMG · 04/09/2021 17:16

Hi
I'm just looking for some unbiased opinion please ( Hope you can help).
Wife and I have been married for 25 years, together for 36 years. We have what appears to be a great marriage, but the only thing missing is that she decided just over a year ago that she wanted no more in the way of 'intimacy' in the bedroom. She says she loves me but is not IN love with me. She assures me there is no one else, and I believe her. Some background to our marriage - we're both 61 years old, have our own ( mortgage free ) house, up a country lane but only a couple of miles from the convenience of town. We have no financial worries - We both have pensions, and I run my own successful small business while she is into various holistic therapies.
I do all the grocery shopping, most of the cooking, all of the laundry - washing and ironing, and basic house maint. ( She tends to do the vacuuming, and we split the bathroom cleaning between us.
At times, I get tempted to leave, sell our assets and get a house of my own and maybe start looking for someone else so I can get some intimacy back in my life before I'm too old and the urge goes.
I've always been faithful and have no intention of cheating on my wife.
I know it's difficult to offer advice, not knowing the full situation, but I've tried to give a good a picture as I can.
My question is do you think I should just accept the situation or try to start again?

OP posts:
LastGirlSanding · 04/09/2021 17:20

This is sad to read. Your wife has chosen to live with you as a companion but not as a romantic or sexual partner. For me that would be the end of things as I would not want to live like that.

I guess you need to decide whether you can live the next 30 years or however long without this sort of relationship in your life? Have you discussed it since that conversation a year ago? Or has it. even swept under the carpet?

HollowTalk · 04/09/2021 17:24

That's horrible for you that she's made a unilateral decision on that. Do you know what caused it?

catfunk · 04/09/2021 17:28

Have you asked her why? Would you like to sleep with other people?
I couldn't live like that. You don't have to stay in an unhappy relationship.

GoodnightGrandma · 04/09/2021 17:35

There are people living in marriages without sex. Not all couples are bonking.
Is there any chance that she has some menopause problems that might be causing her reluctance ? Has she been on HRT at all ? Or maybe she’s just decided that she doesn’t want to any more ?
Plenty of couples settle for companionship, and to keep their home and way of life. Are you sure you want to give that up ?

catfunk · 04/09/2021 17:40

@GoodnightGrandma op is clearly unhappy and unfulfilled without a sex life. It doesn't matter what other people get up to.

GoodnightGrandma · 04/09/2021 17:42

[quote catfunk]@GoodnightGrandma op is clearly unhappy and unfulfilled without a sex life. It doesn't matter what other people get up to. [/quote]
Well then let’s just encourage him to LTB instead of questioning whether there’s anything they could do about it 🙄

RuthTopp · 04/09/2021 17:47

Yes I agree with a previous post. Has she gone through the menopause and perhaps lack of hormones has diminished her libido ?
Yes , of course she is perfectly allowed to decide she no longer wants to have sex , as you are to want to continue . Is there any compromise between you ?
If not then you have to decide what you want to happen to the relationship . The only cruel thing would be if you were to go behind her back and have an affair .

Honeymare · 04/09/2021 17:52

Hi OP,

This is very sad. I understand her going off sex (I've been struggling recently due to medical issues) but stating she's no longer in love with you seems ridiculous to me frankly.

I don't think I would want to spend the rest of my life living in those circumstances. You could have another 30 to go.

Has she opened the conversation with the intention of giving you a choice to stay or go? She's not assuming you will happily go along with this is she?

AlternativePerspective · 04/09/2021 18:03

And if a woman posted here that her husband had now decided that he no longer wanted any intimacy and expected his wife to go along with that would people be making excuses for him?

She’s perfectly entitled not to want intimacy or a sex life. But that is her choice, but the only way in which he needs to go along with that is to not seek intimacy from her. He is then perfectly entitled to end the relationship and seek an intimate relationship with someone else.

I could cheerfully give up sex tomorrow. I take a drug which kills my libido dead, so if I never had sex again it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest. But I would also totally understand if my partner felt that that wasn’t something he wanted to live with and wanted to seek an intimate relationship elsewhere. Intimacy is a big part of a marriage. Without it it’s a friendship, you can live with anyone as friends, the intimacy does add a different dimension.

JustAnother0ldMan · 04/09/2021 18:16

She says she loves me but is not IN love with me

Based on this alone, I’d be looking to divorce, irrespective of sex, I would rather be single than live who sees me as a friend/ companion only.

RantyAunty · 04/09/2021 18:22

Ask her if she wants a divorce?
Maybe she wants out but isn't saying it.

Baws · 04/09/2021 18:29

@JustAnother0ldMan

She says she loves me but is not IN love with me

Based on this alone, I’d be looking to divorce, irrespective of sex, I would rather be single than live who sees me as a friend/ companion only.

@JustAnother0ldMan Totally agree! This is a far bigger issue!
HeartvsBrain · 04/09/2021 19:22

Hi Kim, I don't (at the moment) agree with either of your suggestions, but that might just be because we haven't been given anywhere near enough information to even hazard a guess at the answer you require.

How did that conversation 'just over a year ago' start? How long was it since you had last been intimate, had you just tried to initiate intimacy and she told you "no" for the first time, had you been trying to be intimate with her for a few days/weeks/months but she kept on making excuses to not be intimate? Have you always had a demonstratively loving relationship together eg hugs, kisses, handholding, snuggling, and that tailed off recently, months ago, years ago, or have you never had that sort of relationship, and your shared intimacy only ever happened in bed, and mainly just leading to the actual sexual act? I know these all sound like very personal questions, but then you have given us your very personal predicament, and remember, we don't know you or your wife, which is of course one of the best aspects of Mumsnet.

At 61, your wife has almost certainly been through the menopause, do you know when her periods stopped completely, do you know how long she suffered from perimenopausal symptoms, do you know if she had any particular difficult symptoms during that time, and do you know has she suffered from any menopausal or post menopausal symptoms eg vaginal dryness, awful nightsweats, feeling depressed? If so, did she ever go to her GP about them, and has she been put on HRT, if she was, is she still taking them, or come off them recently? I am reasonably sure that you know where I am going with all these questions, but if you don't, and especially if you don't the answer to most of my questions, then you probably have your answer right there.

However, if your DW has been able to discuss any of these potential problems with you, and you have both had a loving relationship until about a year ago, then what did your DW say when you asked her why she felt that she was no longer 'in love' with you, and why (as she does still love you) she no longer wanted to be intimate with you? Loving a partner after decades of being together will almost definitely lead to a change in that loving relstionship. At the start it is all new and exciting, with lots of learning things about each other, and what makes each other tick - holistically, not just sexually. I loved the growth from the "in love" stage with my DH, to the other (IMO) much deeper and stronger love, of knowing each other inside out, caring about each other, knowing what we can do for our partner (both sexually and in every day life) to make our partner feel both desired and cherished. Did your feelings for your DW develope into those deeper feelings, and do you think that your DW developed those deeper feelings for you? If you think yes to both those questions, when do you think it started changing for your DW, again the easiest suggestion is could it be around the start of her perimenopause, or has she developed a chronic illness at any time, or had any big family problems with either her or your parents, or with any children? If you have children, have any of them left home, and if so, could this have initiated your DW change in thinking? Has anything in the last 5 to 10 years happened that you think may have made your DW start to reassess her life? I am female and in my 60's, and since our children have grown up and not needed such immediate attention, eg running to me for a hug, magic cream and a plaster for a bloody knee after a fall, and after my menopause culminated when I was 55, and therefore changed me into a crone (not an insult, just a fact) from being a mother of young children to what some would consider a wise woman (although I am not trying to claim such wisdom here!), I have done an awful lot of internal contemplation. Luckily (for me - I can't speak for my DH!) I still love my DH very much and want to be with him until the day I die, but the last 15 odd years have been a massive long and slow shock to the system, and I think it would be very understandable if some people reassess their lives and find that they don't want what they have had for all those years previously. I think that it is very sad for a couple (family) if one of them no longer wants what they have, but the other still does.

If your DW has not been able to explain to you satisfactorally why she no longer wants an intimate relationship with you, have you or your DW thought about going for Counselling together? Does she know how much you are missing the intimate side of your relationship, would there be any chance of you two starting 'dating' again, with both of you trying to bring excitement back into your relationship?

I just think that you should both try to explore saving your partnership - if you both want that - before seperating and trying to start from scratch all over again? If your DW definitely doesn't want to rekindle lost feelings, but you do want to (understandably) have a loving and intimate relationship, then yes, it looks like you will have to leave and set up a new home somewhere else, and try to find a loving partner to spend the rest of your - hopefully long - life with. Good luck OP.

Onthedunes · 04/09/2021 19:41

In my opinion it is usually more than the reason of the menopause that stops women from wanting to be intimate especially with very long standing marriages.

But I will agree there is always a reason why women stop wanting intimacy.

What is the reason ?
I think most people know in their own marriage.

BrendaBubbles · 04/09/2021 19:53

She says she loves me but is not IN love with me.

Cherchez l’homme..

peridito · 05/09/2021 08:29

As others have wondered ,is this the culmination of a long decline ?

I think it's so hard to balance a long relationship and shared life with a desire for something more . It must surely be an unusual couple who have been together for nearly 4 decades to retain the spark necessary for sexual intimacy .There will be the comfort of knowing someone well ,loving them but not seeing them as a sexual partner .

A phrase I came across on MN was "sum of happiness " .I guess only the OP can decide whether leaving his long term relationship for the possibility of one where there is mutual sexual attraction will add to his sum of happiness .

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