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Why can't I just do it?

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19Bears · 02/09/2021 12:12

I'm coming to the end of my counselling sessions in which my counsellor is trying to help me find a way to tell DH we need to separate. She has given me great advice, to focus on starting with small steps to speak up when something upsets me rather than just walk away, which will give me confidence to say more, rather than going from saying nothing all the way up to saying I want a divorce. This totally makes sense, but I still can't do it, and even feel like I'm going backwards.

He does know how unhappy I am, I told him almost two years ago that we just don't have a normal marriage, I feel like a single mother, and that I never want a physical relationship with him again but that I do want that in my life. It's been ten years of nothing more than house mates. I feel totally invisible as a woman. But he has said I am selfish for putting this above keeping the family together, and we have rumbled on ever since. We pretty much lead separate lives. I cook for me and the kids, he prefers to live on pot noodles and microwave meals. When I get in from work I play with the kids, do whatever they need me to do, do house jobs, make time to take them out for a run or bike ride, whereas he will lie on the sofa for the evening when he is finished his work. Or he'll go off to see a band or to the cinema like last night. We sleep in the same bed because we have to, but I am right on the edge and lay awake all night with his snoring. I know I should tell him / ask him to go and sleep on the sofa, or I should just go on the sofa, but I am trying to avoid conflict and just get through it. This is something I should be able to speak up about, and I just don't. I gave the counsellor a recent example of his behaviour that I should pull him up on, and ended up in tears of frustration that I just let it go. Me and the kids had got home from a few days away with my mum, and we got back to an empty fridge, full washing basket, and even the toilet roll holder which had fallen on the floor just as we were packing the car to go away, that was still lying on the floor. He had four days on his own and did nothing. Why did I just say nothing and go over and over it in my mind getting more and more annoyed? In silence.

If I can't speak my mind over these things, how will I ever get to suggesting we separate??? He is really difficult to talk to, and I get myself so overwhelmed anticipating his reaction, I just drop it and try to get to the next day. And the next day. I think I'm waiting for the snapping point, but it never comes. He knows I despise Nigel bloody Farage, but he will watch his videos on the telly....he will bore the pants off the kids all day with LBC or Talk Sport when he's working and they're at home....he thinks brushing his teeth once a week is ok.... the list goes on. But he never does something big, or significant, enough to justify it in my mind.

At this point I have to confess that I have done something big, and I feel like I have lost my right to make any complaint to him, and maybe this is why I can't do it. Someone came into my life, showed my what it feels like to be a woman, and I went with it. I know it was the wrong thing to do, and I'm not trying to justify it, but even my counsellor, my doctor, have told me not to beat myself up about it as I have been pushed so far in an unhappy marriage. I would love for DH to find someone and be happy. For both our sanity we would be better off going our separate ways and starting again, but he just doesn't want to, and I'm stuck.

How do I just do it? Write it down in a letter? Take him out somewhere to talk? Plan a time for this or just do it when the moment arises? Any advice please if you've been through the same? x

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Londongirl1987 · 02/09/2021 12:25

Hello. I'm in a similar situation only I've told my children's dad at least 5 times since December and he's still not facing up to it. I'm now seeing someone else and having to manage everything. My life has been on hold for 3 years. We've had no sex. I don't want him like that anymore. He says he would me but the spark has gone. We fell apart after our second child. Conversations. Ambitions. There's nice parts about him but he's quite dull and introvert. Sex etc was just boring. He has no interests. Not even music. No favourite music genres. No interest in cooking etc. It felt like it was always me saying we need a new sofa or to paint the room. He's caring and great with the kids. But I found myself feeling more and more alone.

I lie awake every night feeling guilty as he knows about the other man but I am managing his feelings so I don't tell him we meet up for sex and dates now. He thinks it's just a phone thing. I've told him I want a couple of nights a week to go out and he didn't want to discuss it in detail so I just nervously ask him each time and feel terrible.

I don't know what to do either. My sister knows
But all family are in the dark. I feel guilty for my kids too and it makes me anxious.

What would work for you? A letter? A conversation? It's so hard when one person's not ready to talk. I just wanted to let you know I understand. X

19Bears · 02/09/2021 12:44

Thank you @Londongirl1987 and I'm sorry you're going through it too. My family all know what I want to do, and they fully support me as they want me to be happy and they know I'm not. Some of them know I met someone, and they get it.
I really don't know the best way. I have thought about telling DH about OM and that would finally get the message across, but I have been told it's best not to as it will only make things worse. Not sure if that's right or wrong. I haven't seen OM for nearly a year but we are still in touch. He's with someone now, but has hinted (well, more than hinted) that if I was free he would be with me, and he is still waiting for that day to come. I guess he is trying to get on with his life. I just wish I could get on with mine.
Does your DH just accept you've found someone and is trying to keep things together? Is he content to have the wife and kids lifestyle to put on a show for others? What has he said to you? xx

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LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 02/09/2021 12:50

I've just started therapy and I said that's what I want out of it, to find the strength to tell STBXH we're done. I switched to STBXH to try and get used to the idea. I thought the acronym was still the bastard ex husband when I first saw it, rather than soon to be. Seems fitting for 'D'H. Though DH could also stand for dick head, which by a happy coincidence he is. I'm not interested in standing up to him over the little things, he'd make me pay one way or another. What I need is to be able to not care enough so I can tell him we're over and cope long enough to separate. Silencing those horrible voices in my head telling me it's all my fault would be great too.

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 02/09/2021 13:00

Ideally I'd love to tell him when I already had a place sorted, then move out shortly after. Unfortunately not an option. Could you do that OP if you're worried about the fall out? Is it purely telling him that's the issue or are you worried or scared about how he'd react? Might help to know what's behind the fear, if you could work that out maybe it would help you speak up.

MMMarmite · 02/09/2021 13:08

"Working up to it" sounds crazy to me. You can't work up to leaving someone. Every small issue you bring up is prolonging the relationship, as you are focusing on improving things within the relationship rather than ending it. If you are already certain you want to leave, this approach is disrespectful to both of you.

So, if you're sure, you need to just tell him. If you can't get the words out, write a letter and hand it to him.

If you're not sure, that's a different question entirely.

Colourmeclear · 02/09/2021 13:24

When you think of telling him, what are you afraid of?

19Bears · 02/09/2021 13:37

@LunaAndHerMoonDragons I also need to stop worrying what he's going to say, and just get it out. And like you, I am paralysed with thoughts that this is all my fault, and that this is exactly what he'll say, and I'll have to work out on the spot how to respond.

@MMMarmite I agree to a certain extent, it's just prolonging it. I think a letter is a good plan.

@Colourmeclear My choice would be to stay in the house with the kids as my biggest worry is having to uproot them. I am scared of having to move out, and this is probably the biggest reason I avoid doing it.

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PermanentTemporary · 02/09/2021 13:53

It sounds like you have told him, as he responded that you were being selfish to end the marriage for your reasons. He just refuses to listen.

From my perspective I think the misery he is making you endure is entirely negative for your family. You will all have a happier time living apart. He may like the family servicing you are doing but actually I doubt he is living his best life either. He sounds far too focused on keeping you pinned down rather than living well.

Channel Disraeli: never apologise, never explain. You don't have to persuade him. He'll never tell you he understands and agrees (though he probably does understand that you're miserable). Get legal advice, make a plan that works for you and your children, and tell him what you're doing. Dont try and make him agree.

The other man sounds like a symptom. I'm no angel and anyone who goes without sex for years has my profound empathy. Be cautious before deciding he's your future - get to your new life before deciding that.

iwannascream · 02/09/2021 13:59

I would get the kids in bed, turn the tv off and tell him as calmly as possible that you will starting divorce proceedings, and you need him to understand that this is final and you will not be backing down, and as you will be looking after the kids the majority of the time, you need him to find somewhere else to live immediately.

Do no cooking, cleaning, washing etc for him, do not make allowances for him at all at home which will let him know that you are serious.

Telling him about the OM will just muddy the waters and will possibly make him dig his heels in and make your life even more miserable than it already is.

You need to be calm, concise and above all confident that what you are saying he is listening and taking in.

It won't be easy but the sooner you do it the better for everyone involved.

Good luck

19Bears · 02/09/2021 16:44

@PermanentTemporary We are happier when he's not here, well I know I am for sure. He was away for a week at his mum's a while ago and it was a massive relief not to have to put up with his telly and just him being around. Also, I could sleep.

@iwannascream I need to do this, but I feel so sick even reading what you've said. the sooner the better, you're right.

He's just emailed me to ask me to print off bus tickets for him to go away to a gig next week for two days. I heard him telling his mum on the phone that he was taking next week off (still hasn't told me) and I thought at least I don't have to arrange child care then as my eldest is still off school til friday. But lo and behold, apparently I do....

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