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His ex what Do you think?

24 replies

Sunnysundayss · 28/08/2021 07:40

They were together 9 years.
Split 2 years ago.
The reasons behind it were she would go on several holidays a year with friends. Leave him home alone and had no interest in going places he wanted to go.
They had a battle against who was the bread winner and he struggled with her career and she didn't want to stop working and became too busy for him.
He ended up drinking alot and messaged a couple of women when he was lonely.
They split up and six months later her moves our.

9 months later he meets me. His ex was brought up very early on. Mentioned her in subtle ways. They had managed to find a friendship after he left. I didn't know much in those early weeks other than he told her he was seeing someone and she said she knew it would happen and she was happy for him.

As time went on he'd mention her in little ways. But was crystal clear on They could never work. Strictly friends etc. They would text to see how the other was doing most weeks.

A few months ago we had a couple of months apart. We both needed to figure out some things. I know she was saying things about me at this point to people such as I have children and surely that's not right for him (he's 40s with adult ones)

He got back in touch a few months ago and he was telling me bits and bobs she had been up to. Told me I could ask him anything and assured me it was a friendship and maybe one day I'd even meet her and I'll see for myself.

I found it difficult as I felt they were still clinging.

About 6 weeks ago he finally opened up more to me about his life. About her. I met his family and an uncle told me how his ex was very me me me and didn't put him first ever. Like he was trained to put her on a pedestal. He said they just wanted different things and the relationship massively broke down. He then told me how he struggles with grief so he needed counselling after the split and they told him he had issues around loss.

Anyway things between me and him have finally got good. We are dating. Sleeping together. Early days of a relationship. We were sat there the other night and his ex messaged him to say she didn't trust women and I was one of the women she didn't trust. He messaged her back and defended me and she argued he hadn't met me. He corrected her and said we had begun dating and met many times. She said oh. He then told me she's not malicious etc and it was a strange text. He said he would see what she came back with but if she couldn't be happy for him then she was clearly no friend of his.

We spoke for quite some time about it and I expressed some of my concerns. Told him I felt that there was alot of emotional ties still etc. I said they are the words of a woman not over the past. I said it's been 2 years and she really needs to let you go and accept you will move on.
The thing is he agreed and promised me there's absolutely nothing she can do to change us.

He seems to feel responsibility for her still and I'm struggling to figure out when this will end. I am not sure if she does want him still but he said 18 months ago they had this conversation themselves and they agreed they didn't want it. But they seem to involved still. They haven't seen eachother since December so they don't meet up. She still has the odd thing at hers of his for when he moves into a bigger house.

We are doing so well and are so close. Do you think she's likely to move on eventually? She's late 30s just for age reference.

OP posts:
litterbird · 28/08/2021 07:50

Sounds like you are in a narcissistic triangulation relationship. His ex being a narc. I would politely exit this relationship and ask him to contact you when she is out of his life. She shouldn't be contacting him now and he certainly shouldn't be responding.

Itsbeenalongwhile · 28/08/2021 07:54

Seems he has not moved on. He is still engaging with her and also having discussions with her about your relationship with him which is absolutely none of her business. Maybe his issues with loss has something to do with him not moving on but it is not right.
I feel uncomfortable for you about your relationship with him reading your post.

Teacupsandtoast · 28/08/2021 07:55

He sounds a bit pathetic to be honest. This will never work out in your favour, I'd drop and run

LizziesTwin · 28/08/2021 07:58

This all seems way too much hassle for you. Leave him & move on.

Geamhradh · 28/08/2021 08:01

Your first paragraph is the most relevant. This is a man who doesn't like his women going on holidays with other friends and has trouble with their careers.
The fact his family member felt the need to tell you she was selfish would concern me.
The fact that he also sits texting her and talking about you (did you see the texts btw?) is also weird.
I'd be off for them there hills personally.

Theunamedcat · 28/08/2021 08:01

He isnt over her

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 28/08/2021 08:03

I would be NOPEing the fuck out of there I'm afraid. Way too much drama

Hekatestorch · 28/08/2021 08:05

Firstly, why is he in touch with her if they have no young kids?

Also, he doesn't sound great. Struggle over who is the bread winner? Why doesn't anyone need to be the 'bread winner'? Sounds like he just didn't like being with someone, who enjoyed her career and whose career was important to them.

That's concerning behaviour.

As for the 'she didn't want to do things he liked'. Sounds like they had grown apart and didn't have the same interests or goals. And that they didn't have shared interests.

I also wouldn't take his 'uncles' word for anything. It will be this man's side. Even if he observed somethings, he will have looked at it with the context of information your boyfriend has given him. And again, why is the uncle discussing an ex with a new woman?

Don't get me wrong, she doesn't sound great. Why would she have an opinion on wether you are trust worthy or not.

But you aren't dating her. Why was he even engaging in that converstation with her? If my exh messaged me about what he thought about my, now dp, I wouldn't defend dp. Why would I discuss dp at all with him and make it look like his opinion is one that matters and is worth a discussion.

You are absolutely right to be concerned that both of them are far to emotionally involved.

PartridgeFeather · 28/08/2021 08:05

She's a narc and a user, or in plain English a selfish cow.

He might need therapy before he can fully move on, as she is hoovering and hasn't found a new supply yet.

Good sign that he's "defended" you: if he can start to see how fucked up she is, there is hope, as it sounds as though you have strong boundaries OP.

KateTheEighth · 28/08/2021 08:05

There's absolutely no reason for him to be in touch with her at all and she certainly shouldn't be such a big part of your relationship with him

Unhealthy 3 way relationship - get out now would be my advice

villamariavintrapp · 28/08/2021 08:12

He had a problem with her career and her friends. So he drank too much and messaged other women? That's all you need to know really. Her behaviour is irrelevant now, so she text him a few times, but why is he showing you and discussing them with you? So that you can see he 'defended' you? What a prince.. it doesn't even sound like she knew the situation if she thought you hadn't met. Was she assuming you were (another) woman he was messaging? It doesn't matter anyway, just get rid!

LemonTT · 28/08/2021 08:18

Let’s reframe this. Your sometime boyfriend didn’t like it when his ex did things independently or that she earned more than him. He became a drunk and cheated by messaging other women.

He’s been with you on and off for 2 years. During which time he has contacted her regularly. At one point he seriously discussed getting back with her. They are still back and forth over their love lives. He shares this involvement with you. These are the good times.

Some of his family confided they didn’t like her because she’s too self involved.

Basically he holds a few significant red flags high. He’s controlling, jealous and a bit of a lush who will seek solace in messaging other women. He’s been messaging another women for the duration of your on off relationship. And rubbing your nose in it.

Not withstanding that, the relationship hasn’t worked out which is why you are on and off during what would be a honeymoon period. You should only have eyes for each other and making things work is the easy part. If you can’t sort out things then you aren’t compatible. Stop flogging a dead horse.

You haven’t said one good thing about him.

YouJustFoldItIn · 28/08/2021 08:18

I said it's been 2 years and she really needs to let you go and accept you will move on.

She is enjoying the fact that she is still able to wield some control and influence over him. He is enjoying the fact that he is letting her - in spite of what he says to you. They are busy playing games with one another and you are the pawn.

Insist he cuts contact with her altogether or ditch him. He doesn't need to be 'friends' with her to this degree now he's in another relationship. He doesn't need a constant running commentary from her on her thoughts and suspicions about you - someone she has never met.

There is all sorts of co-dependency ego-feeding shit going on here that you don't need dragged into in your life. If he can't see that then he's not worth investing any more time in. It all sounds a bit childish to be honest.

ShuddaBeenMe · 28/08/2021 08:20

Why does she think he hasn't met you?

Hekatestorch · 28/08/2021 08:21

So he drank too much and messaged other women?

I forgot that bit when I posted. His excuse about why its her fault for having a career and friends, is really awful.

Op, what happens when you spend a bit more time with your friends? Or need spend more time concentrating on work. Or your kids?

SimoneSimone · 28/08/2021 08:22

He needs to move on and stop contact with her, block if necessary or you will have to move on from him, for your own sanity.

Bluntness100 · 28/08/2021 08:24

Is this for real? You think it’s her not moved on? He’s a controlling cheating twat still hung up on his ex. Wanted her to not have a career, not go on hols, give it all up for him and rhen cheated when she wouldn’t? And you think she’s the problem? Really?

Ughmaybenot · 28/08/2021 08:25

Your sometime boyfriend didn’t like it when his ex did things independently or that she earned more than him. He became a drunk and cheated by messaging other women.
This sums it up really. I’d be less worried about the ex (who isn’t really and truly an ex at all by the way you describe it!) and more worried about the twat I’d managed to get into a relationship with. He sounds awful.

Trisolaris · 28/08/2021 08:27

Any man who couldn’t cope with being with a successful woman would be a non starter for me, even if I was currently broke, unemployed and all kinds of a hot mess.

Bluntness100 · 28/08/2021 08:31

@Trisolaris

Any man who couldn’t cope with being with a successful woman would be a non starter for me, even if I was currently broke, unemployed and all kinds of a hot mess.
Me too. It’s really not a case of any bloke is better than no bloke. Soon as a man tells you his ego couldn’t cope with a successful woman and he tried to control her social life as well as her career and he tried to cheat as revenge and has issues with alcohol so basically tried to punish her, you’re should run like the wind.
Jossse · 28/08/2021 08:36

He is not over his ex. Every time she texts he's straight on it.... if he wasn't interested in her he would ignore her as she would not be important.
This is a toxic relationship with 3 people in it... he isn't able to cut her off/stop communicating with her as he still is in love with her. Sometimes people need to be mentally ruined before they see this.

The whole time you accept this behaviour it will continue. I know I've been in these type of relationships myself and learned the hard way.

As hard as it will be you need to look after yourself and find 'your' man, not someone who is still in love with someone else.

It may take time but this is ok. You need to do some self love, find out more about you and what you like doing. What type of love snd support do you want from a partner.

Tip for future... as soon as someone starts talking regularly about their ex ... bail/run for the hills ... they're not over them and subsequently not into YOU

Good luck, it's not always going to be easy but it'll be an exciting journey.

I finally met my Mr Right it took me 18 years but I got there in the end...

layladomino · 28/08/2021 08:40

I'm amazed you got together with him in the first place, after he told you they split up because he wanted her to give up her career (???!!) and she wouldn't. And he felt lonely so messaged other women.

Both those things would have told me he wasn't bf material. How do you feel about a man who thinks his gf shouldn't have a better career than him, and that she should give it up to make him feel better about himself? Or a man who thinks it's OK to be unfaithful because he's lonely?

That's the more worrying part of your post.

girlmom21 · 28/08/2021 08:50

I don't care about the ex here to be honest - I'm much more concerned about the fact he's clearly willing to cheat if he doesn't get enough attention and he doesn't want a woman with independence.

PalmsandCharms · 28/08/2021 09:10

Sounds like he's not moved on, never mind the ex.

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