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Should I just leave?

42 replies

nineofhearts · 01/08/2021 12:11

Another morning wasted waiting for DP to drag himself out of his pit. DD and I have been up since 8am. With every hour that passes I find myself getting angrier.

I probably should wake him up but this is the last straw for me. He does nothing in the house unless I nag him. He's happy for me to juggle childcare and working over summer while he gets to go to work and prioritise rest. Today is my punishment for daring to go out to lunch yesterday without him.

He's brilliant in many ways but this feels like an absolute deal breaker now. I want to pack my stuff up, take DD and go. I feel like I'd be a much better mother and person independently of him.

What makes this worse is I have no one to talk to about this. No one wants to hear about my problems, so I feel like I should just take action. Every conversation we have ends in an argument because he just doesn't see why I feel this way at all. I honestly don't know what to do. I feel so lost and desperately alone and just want him to understand where I'm coming from but that's obviously not going to happen.

OP posts:
SStopRaisingHim · 01/08/2021 23:11

He's just woke up and come down. Why did I let him sleep so long? Why didn't I wake him up? Obviously he needed the sleep. I'm going to ruin another weekend, am I?

He sounds like your teenage son not partner.

pog100 · 01/08/2021 23:19

@Crikeyalmighty

I don’t think the ladies who post on here about partners doing half if not more realise how rare this is— I’ve discussed with friends (I’m now 59 and have been married twice and lived with someone for 4 years) and not one of my friends has a guy who does much over and above the minimum after the first few years when it comes to household drudgery . No wonder so many women in 40s and 50s aren’t interested in sex and separate when so many men want a ‘reward’ and a pat on the back for any housework at all
You are 59, I'm in that age range. I don't think you realise how much the average expectations for shared household work have changed in the last 30 to 40 years. Increasingly large proportions of independent working women, rightly, won't put up with anything less than equality. Sadly less often the case in our generation.
Opentooffers · 01/08/2021 23:28

Why wait for him to get up at all? Don't wait for his presence, just get on with doing stuff with your DC.
I've been there, if he's not being involved in family life, what happens is the life continues without his input. This teaches you that you can manage fine without as you are doing it all on your own anyway.
He's just making himself obsolete, no surprise then when he's no longer required.
You can try the nagging route for a while, you can try getting you're point of view across ( you have tried) At this point, it might be worth cutting to telling him you think you want out - if he doesn't start talking then, just walk!

Opentooffers · 01/08/2021 23:37

He works every other week only! Boo hoo his stressful part- time hours, no wonder he needs golf in between! That must be so hard for him, so hard that he can't collect his own DD on his week off. He sounds quit pathetic, sorry, you've landed a selfish arse.

princesslarmadrama · 01/08/2021 23:43

The answer is simple, YES!

Justilou1 · 01/08/2021 23:45

Why did you let him sleep so long?
I am not responsible for your body clock.
Why didn’t you wake him up?
Why didn’t he set an alarm?
Has he made plans? Does he have somewhere he needs to urgently be? If he has, he didn’t discuss them with you, and it STILL isn’t your responsibility to get him out of bed, it’s HIS, because that’s what adults do.

As for ruining the weekend, you were having a lovely time until he came stomping in behaving like an entitled teenager looking to blame his mummy for his lack of a social life.

AcrossthePond55 · 02/08/2021 00:53

I love him, but I don't like him a lot of the time

You know, sometimes love is just not enough. You can love someone to distraction but that does not mean they are good for you or that they'll make a good life partner.

It sounds to me as if you have one foot already out the door. I suggest you let the other foot follow. It's much easier and less stressful to be carrying the whole load by oneself if we're not expending negative emotional energy watching our 'partner' doing nothing to help us.

updownroundandround · 02/08/2021 06:55

@nineofhearts

Take the initiative and just go to your sisters.

Don't even bother telling him, because he really couldn't care less where you are and what you're doing, just as long as it doesn't interfere with his bloody work/rest routine !

The only reason he'd prefer you to be at home, is so you can continue to do all his washing/cooking/cleaning/shopping etc so he can carry on doing fuck all !

At your sisters, have a long hard look at your life. You already know you're not happy and that you are showing your DD that a 'womans place' is running around like a headless chicken just to enable her H's fucking laziness and sense of bloody 'entitlement' that he can do whatever the hell he wants, and if you dare to critisize him, then you're nagging FFS !

Quick point telling your H you aren't happy, isn't bloody nagging !
Men tell women to do something = communicating.
Women tell men to do something = nagging Hmm.

Leave him on his own for a few weeks, and if he isn't going to change his laziness and step up and be a partner (in the true sense of the word i.e 50/50), then just don't go back. You can do everything you need to do to properly split from him at your sisters.

updownroundandround · 02/08/2021 06:57

@nineofhearts

Sorry, almost forgot to add the information about what a true 'partner' looks like ! Please read below ;

Why I Don't Help My Wife
Recently, I invited a friend over. Sipping coffee in my living room, the conversation turned from movies and sports to life. We are both about the same age, and both have been married for about the same amount of time. As we talked, I heard the loud clamoring of the dishwasher stop as it finished its final cycle. Excusing myself, I told my friend I must put away the dishes.My friend shot me a glance: a shock of disbelief, almost defensive in posture. He told me that it's great that I help out my wife, but that he doesn't bother. “Every time I do chores,” he said, “she doesn't have an ounce of gratitude. If she's not gonna thank me for helping her out, why should I even bother?” This startled me. I'm normally not a confrontational kind of guy. I don't like to talk about politics, and I usually keep my comments to myself. But this was too much. I couldn't contain myself.“Look man, I said, I'm not 'helping her out. My wife doesn't need 'help.' She needs a partner. The two of us are a team.” He started to reply, trying to explain what he meant by the comment, but I stopped him, continuing:I don't “help” my wife clean the house. We keep our house clean because we both live here and want the house to be clean. I clean the house because it's where I live, and my wife isn't a maid, but a partner.I don't “help” my wife cook because it's not her job to cook and my job to eat. We both live here, we both need to eat, and in order for us to eat, the cooking needs to be done.I don't “help” my wife do the dishes because they're my dishes, too. I eat off them, just like her, and it's in both of our interests to have them be cleaned.I don't “help” my wife with her children because they're my children, too. They need a mother and they need a father, and raising them is both of our jobs.I don't “help” my wife clean, fold clothes, do laundry, or any other chores because they aren't only “hers,” but mine.I'm not only a “help,” a hired hand that helps my wife out on occasion in exchange for a “thank you,” a kiss, or sex. I am a part of the house.Then, I turned back to my friend, his face tense with embarrassment. I was now in my full preacher mode, and it was time to charge my audience with conviction. I asked him “do you thank your wife every time she cleans the house?” He clamored to defend himself, but I continued: “I'm not talking about a half-baked “thanks” that you mutter from across the room, but actually looking her in her eye and saying that you appreciate that she worked all day to help you take care of your home!” “Do you look her in the eye and tell her she's fantastic, beautiful, the best thing that ever happened to you and that she means the world to you?” “Do you tell her how much you love that she keeps your house clean?”You should not “help” your wife with the chores in exchange for some kind of prize. What prize does she get for helping you out? You need to get out of this “Leave it to Beaver” mentality, step out of TV Land, and step up and be a real husband.My friend stood speechless, flabbergasted, fumbling to find an excuse. I shrunk in slight embarrassment for a moment, even though I knew it had to be said.I spoke again to break the silence: “I'm just saying man, your wife doesn't owe you anything. She's not your “help,” and you should treat her like an equal partner.”Many of us were raised in home with mothers who waited on us hand in foot. We took their help for granted, because they had to raise us and take care of us. But your wife is not your mother. She's not raising you, and you're not a child. Marriage is an equal partnership. Your wife is not your mother, and she's not there to take care of you.You are there to take care of each other, to have a house together, raise children together, and form an equal partnership. That means each of you carrying your share of the load, and thanking each other for help. Macho culture would make you think that everything is your wife's job, but there's nothing macho about this. It's the behavior of a child who needs to be taken care of, not an adult who can provide in a partnership.Imagine a child who constantly demands help from his mother, constantly makes messes, and never thanks her for anything. That's basically how you act towards your wife. That might be acceptable for a young infant, but not for an adult. So thank your wife for what she does, and make sure that you carry an equal share of the load, helping her in any way possible.When you make a mess, you shouldn't expect your wife to clean it up. It's your job to clean up your own messes. You both live there, you're not “helping” her with anything because it's your home.Likewise, it's not her job to constantly cook. In my home, I always do the cooking, because I'm good at it.These “traditional” roles were sold to us by fictional television. They say nothing about the reality of marriage. If you step all over your wife like Homer Simpson, you are on a one-way street to a divorce.So to everyone out there who is concerned about their own masculinity, if you want to be a macho man, stop acting like a child and making your wife do all the work and chores. Thank her, and do your part to contribute.

DinosaurDiana · 02/08/2021 06:59

@nineofhearts

I love him, but I don't like him a lot of the time. This isn't how I imagined my life panning out.

I certainly don't want to live a life of cooking, cleaning and sacrificing my own happiness to make everyone else comfortable. Nor do I want to be stuck waiting around for someone who clearly has no respect for me.

We have had a horrible day - which is partly my fault because I was in a sour mood. I tried to talk to him about how I was feeling and he told me he was stressed with work, etc, which is why he'd slept for so long.

I'm honestly at a loss. I don't like myself very much right now, nor do I like the life I find myself living, so i guess it's up to me to change that.

You don’t like yourself very much right now - and whose fault is that ? He’s a partner not a husband so it’s very much easier for you to separate. Just don’t waste your life. If you look back in 5/10 years time and it’s still like this, what will you think ?
Sally2791 · 02/08/2021 07:03

For a start definitely go to your sister’s house, and also realise that he is not going to change- why would he? The current situation of being a lazy arse suits him just fine and he will tune out any complaints from you.

HasselbackForLife · 02/08/2021 07:30

Are you happy? Do you want to continue like this? Is he going to improve?

You've only got one life. Think about how you want to live it and who to spend it with.

I'm sorry your husband is so useless.

Opaljewel · 02/08/2021 07:43

[quote updownroundandround]@nineofhearts

Sorry, almost forgot to add the information about what a true 'partner' looks like ! Please read below ;

Why I Don't Help My Wife
Recently, I invited a friend over. Sipping coffee in my living room, the conversation turned from movies and sports to life. We are both about the same age, and both have been married for about the same amount of time. As we talked, I heard the loud clamoring of the dishwasher stop as it finished its final cycle. Excusing myself, I told my friend I must put away the dishes.My friend shot me a glance: a shock of disbelief, almost defensive in posture. He told me that it's great that I help out my wife, but that he doesn't bother. “Every time I do chores,” he said, “she doesn't have an ounce of gratitude. If she's not gonna thank me for helping her out, why should I even bother?” This startled me. I'm normally not a confrontational kind of guy. I don't like to talk about politics, and I usually keep my comments to myself. But this was too much. I couldn't contain myself.“Look man, I said, I'm not 'helping her out. My wife doesn't need 'help.' She needs a partner. The two of us are a team.” He started to reply, trying to explain what he meant by the comment, but I stopped him, continuing:I don't “help” my wife clean the house. We keep our house clean because we both live here and want the house to be clean. I clean the house because it's where I live, and my wife isn't a maid, but a partner.I don't “help” my wife cook because it's not her job to cook and my job to eat. We both live here, we both need to eat, and in order for us to eat, the cooking needs to be done.I don't “help” my wife do the dishes because they're my dishes, too. I eat off them, just like her, and it's in both of our interests to have them be cleaned.I don't “help” my wife with her children because they're my children, too. They need a mother and they need a father, and raising them is both of our jobs.I don't “help” my wife clean, fold clothes, do laundry, or any other chores because they aren't only “hers,” but mine.I'm not only a “help,” a hired hand that helps my wife out on occasion in exchange for a “thank you,” a kiss, or sex. I am a part of the house.Then, I turned back to my friend, his face tense with embarrassment. I was now in my full preacher mode, and it was time to charge my audience with conviction. I asked him “do you thank your wife every time she cleans the house?” He clamored to defend himself, but I continued: “I'm not talking about a half-baked “thanks” that you mutter from across the room, but actually looking her in her eye and saying that you appreciate that she worked all day to help you take care of your home!” “Do you look her in the eye and tell her she's fantastic, beautiful, the best thing that ever happened to you and that she means the world to you?” “Do you tell her how much you love that she keeps your house clean?”You should not “help” your wife with the chores in exchange for some kind of prize. What prize does she get for helping you out? You need to get out of this “Leave it to Beaver” mentality, step out of TV Land, and step up and be a real husband.My friend stood speechless, flabbergasted, fumbling to find an excuse. I shrunk in slight embarrassment for a moment, even though I knew it had to be said.I spoke again to break the silence: “I'm just saying man, your wife doesn't owe you anything. She's not your “help,” and you should treat her like an equal partner.”Many of us were raised in home with mothers who waited on us hand in foot. We took their help for granted, because they had to raise us and take care of us. But your wife is not your mother. She's not raising you, and you're not a child. Marriage is an equal partnership. Your wife is not your mother, and she's not there to take care of you.You are there to take care of each other, to have a house together, raise children together, and form an equal partnership. That means each of you carrying your share of the load, and thanking each other for help. Macho culture would make you think that everything is your wife's job, but there's nothing macho about this. It's the behavior of a child who needs to be taken care of, not an adult who can provide in a partnership.Imagine a child who constantly demands help from his mother, constantly makes messes, and never thanks her for anything. That's basically how you act towards your wife. That might be acceptable for a young infant, but not for an adult. So thank your wife for what she does, and make sure that you carry an equal share of the load, helping her in any way possible.When you make a mess, you shouldn't expect your wife to clean it up. It's your job to clean up your own messes. You both live there, you're not “helping” her with anything because it's your home.Likewise, it's not her job to constantly cook. In my home, I always do the cooking, because I'm good at it.These “traditional” roles were sold to us by fictional television. They say nothing about the reality of marriage. If you step all over your wife like Homer Simpson, you are on a one-way street to a divorce.So to everyone out there who is concerned about their own masculinity, if you want to be a macho man, stop acting like a child and making your wife do all the work and chores. Thank her, and do your part to contribute.[/quote]
Did a woman write this lol? I can't imagine a guy writing it. Amazed if it is. Although my partner does do his share, more than me actually cough the written language just doesn't sound like a guy but what do I know?

Isthisit22 · 02/08/2021 08:05

Take back control of your life and who you want to be. Stop being such a doormat eg if he is off, he picks up your daughter. Refuse to leave work early and make it clear he will have to change his plans.
People only do what you allow them to do.
Ultimately it sounds like you need to leave but in the meantime, toughen up. He may not like it but so what?

Crikeyalmighty · 02/08/2021 12:05

@pog100. Yep I do realise and so many men in our generation appear to expect a housekeeper AND an income earner — mind you my friends are late 30s and early 40s and can’t say their partners are spending weekends with a j cloth in hand either.

TiredButDancing · 02/08/2021 12:22

OP, at times, DH and I have had issues of this sort. I don't really know why men are like this but think there's a lot of socialisation that goes on and that they don't even notice. We have not completely nailed it as yet. But... a really important point is that in every single situation where DH has been sitting back and letting me bear the load, he's listened when I explain and talk to him and, ultimately, changed his behaviour (this does not change how annoyed I am that I have to teach him this crap). At the end of the day, these things don't change unless the man wants them to and believes he needs to adapt his behaviour.

It does not sound like that is happening in this case.

MarylinMonrue · 02/08/2021 15:39

Is he a DP or a DH? One of those will be easier to extricate yourself from, and it sounds like you’re being ground down enough to make leaving a serious option sooner rather than later.

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